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Asteroid Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:29 PM
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Zell Miller at it again
Georgia democratic senator Zell Miller publicly blasted John Kerry, because Miller believes that Kerry does not represent the true ideologies of the democrat party. Yet it is Miller himself that has nothing in common with the democratic party. A party that he has used to get to the top in a state that likes to believe there is such a thing as a conservative democrat.

Miller showed his true colors long ago, that he is nothing more then a republican working to undermine democrats. He showed it by attacking Clinton on almost every issue, and by not supporting Al Gore when he came to Georgia to campaign. This is getting sickening, and I for one will be glad when Miller leaves office, and stops insulting true democrats.
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:34 PM
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1. Actually, Miller is right. Kerry doesn't represent the Dems of the 1940s.
The Democrat Party of Strom Thurmond and all...
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:43 PM
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2. Just ignore poor ol' Zell. He's an old man desperate for attention.
I just wish the son of a bitch would be honest and and caucus with the Republicans.
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TomSeaverr Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:44 PM
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3. When will Chafee start to speak
up like this
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:48 PM
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4. That's the problem. Republicans may disagree with Bush,
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 06:49 PM by elperromagico
but they'll still support him (at least outwardly). Look at McCain, who is doing a better job of defending Kerry than most Democratic leaders. He's still going to campaign for Bush, whom he despises.

I noted during the Clinton years that Democrats (at least in Congress) have a habit of marching to the front lines with their leader... and then turning around and abandoning him. Republicans will fight for their leader, even if they privately hate him and think he's an asshole.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:04 PM
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8. Chaffee and McCain are quite different...
McCain is a conservative with an agenda different from the rest of the GOP. Chaffee is a liberal Republican.
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Tim_in_HK Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:36 PM
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5. I'm listening to Miller on Fox . ..
And I finally placed who he sounds like! Hank Hill from King of the Hill. Almost eerie . . .

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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:44 PM
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6. Kerry campaign response

"Just two years ago, Zell Miller sang John Kerry's praises in his home state of Georgia. Miller pointed out some of very same the traits that have inspired millions of Democrats, Independents, and Republicans to rally behind John Kerry's campaign to get America back on track and bring back jobs.

"As Senator Miller himself said, John Kerry is an 'authentic hero.' He has fought for his country on the battlefield and in the public arena. He has been a champion of balanced budgets, a leader in education reform, and powerful advocate for affordable health care and an economy that works for working Americans.

"Zell Miller's new leadership role will be a lonely post. Democrats, and Americans of all stripes, are tired of George Bush's failed policies and broken promises. The nearly 3 million Americans who have lost their jobs since George Bush took office are members of both parties. The millions of families who are struggling to pay for the rising costs of health insurance and the seniors who can't afford needed prescription drugs are both Democrats and Republicans. And the families of U.S. troops who were sent to Iraq without body armor to protect them are members of both parties.

"This November, millions of Americans of every political persuasion will unite in a powerful call for change, and they'll stand with 'an authentic American hero' -- John Kerry."

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JUST THE FACTS:

ZIG ZAG ZELL

While U.S. Senator Zell Miller has signaled his support for George Bush, the facts are Miller and Kerry have the exact same record when it comes to defending the nation and Miller even called Kerry an "Authentic American Hero" who has "Worked to Strengthen Our Military."

"I've been going to Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinners in Georgia since the 1950s, so I've seen a lot of speeches," says Sen. Zell Miller (D-Ga.), easily the Senate Democrat most supportive of the Bush agenda. "Kerry's was by far the best speech I have ever heard given at a function like that. He talked about citizen-soldiers and he talked about the flag raisers at Iwo Jima. It was a very good, touching speech." (Salon, Aug. 10, 2001)

FACT: Zell Miller Lauded John Kerry as an Authentic American Hero

"My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders -- and a good friend. He was once a lieutenant governor - but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984. -- U.S. Senator Zell Miller (Remarks to the Democratic Party of Georgia Jefferson Jackson Dinner 2001)

FACT: Zell Miller Said John Kerry Worked to Strengthen Our Military; Fought for Balanced Budgets

"In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington. Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so. John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment." -- U.S. Senator Zell Miller (Remarks to the Democratic Party of Georgia Jefferson Jackson Dinner 2001)

FACT: John Kerry & Zell Miller Have Supported the EXACT Same Amount of Intelligence Funding

Kerry & Miller Have Supported the Exact Same Intelligence Funding in the Senate -- Since joining the Senate in 2000, Zell Miller and John Kerry have supported the exact same funding levels for America's Intelligence agencies. John Kerry served on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for 6 years and is the former Vice Chairman of the Committee. Kerry joined the Committee in early 1993 and served until early 2001. Zell Miller has not served on the Intelligence Committee, Armed Services Committee or the Foreign Relations Committee in his four years in the Senate.

FY04 Intel Authorization (2003, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 11/21/03) FY03 Intel Authorization (2002, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 09/25/02) FY02 Intel Authorization (2001, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 12/13/01) FY01 Intel Authorization (2000, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 12/06/00)

FACT: John Kerry & Zell Miller Have Both Supported Increases in Defense Funding -- including the Largest since the 1980's

John Kerry & Zell Miller are Both Strong Supporters of America's Military & Voted for the "Largest Increase in Defense Spending Since the Early 1980's" -- John Kerry and Zell Miller are strong supporters of the U.S. Armed Services and has consistently worked to ensure the military has the best equipment and training possible. In 2002, John Kerry & Zell Miller voted for a large increase in the defense budget. This increase provided more than $355 billion for the Defense Department for 2003, an increase of $21 billion over 2002. This measure includes $71.5 billion for procurement programs such as $4 billion for the Air Force's F-22 fighter jets, $3.5 billion for the Joint Strike Fighter and $279.3 million for an E-8C Joint Stars (JSTARS) aircraft. Kerry's vote also funded a 4.1 percent pay increase for military personnel, $160 million for the B-1 Bomber Defense System Upgrade, $1.5 billion for a new attack submarine, more than $630 million for Army and Navy variants of the Blackhawk helicopter, $3.2 billion for additional C-17 transports, $900 million for R&D of the Comanche helicopter and more than $800 million for Trident Submarine conversion. The current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, John Warner (R-Va.) stated:

"The defense spending increase for FY03 is the largest increase in defense spending since the early 1980's-reflecting the importance of defending the homeland and winning the global war against terrorism. The funding included in this bill will help to ensure that our military has the tools it needs to defend our nation." (2002, Senate Roll Call Vote No. 239; Websites of U.S. Senators Warner, Daschle, Dodd accessed 7/25/03)
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:10 PM
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9. Stick it to 'em!
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:42 PM
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7. So what are the TRUE colors of a chameleon?
A party that he has used to get to the top in a state that likes to believe there is such a thing as a conservative democrat. Miller showed his true colors long ago, that he is nothing more then a republican working to undermine democrats.

How can a politician who campaigns on any position just to win be considered conservative? How can a politician who has faith in power of the CEOs, but not in our Constitution be called a democrat or republican? :shrug:
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