Hillary Clearly Won

[CatnHat]

While Obama supporters are trying their best to make the most of Obama's poor showing at the debate,

Here is just a few comments made by journalists, radio stations, and the Ohio blog, and they just keep coming in.

Hillary's Reviews Are In: 'A Strong New Note,' 'Effective Tone,' 'A Solid Body Blow'
NBC News’ Andrea Mitchell –Hillary ‘came across very credibly, very strongly as a fighter.’

NBC News’ Domenico Montaro – ‘That was a solid body blow by Clinton on Obama not holding a single hearing on Afghanistan.’ “That was a solid body blow by Clinton on Obama not holding a single hearing on Afghanistan despite that he talks about it being the front line on terrorism and that he chairs the subcommittee on Europe, which oversees NATO. While Obama's explanation may be realistic -- that he became chair at the beginning of his campaign -- doesn't it reinforce Hillary and Bill Clinton's points that he is inexperienced, that he has only been in the Senate for a limited time and hasn't cut his teeth yet. Doesn't that play right into the inexperience narrative quite well?”

ABC News’ Rick Klein – ‘It does seem like Clinton has settled on an effective tone this evening.’ “That silly distraction of an SNL reference aside -- it does seem like Clinton has settled on an effective tone this evening. She's mixing substance with style, attacking without seeming overtly negative, sounding like she's playing defense when she's really playing offense.”

The Swamp's Jason George – 'Clinton strikes a new strong note, saying she plans to get $55 billion back from special interest groups for the American middle class.'

NBC News’ David Gregory said Hillary’s ‘answer on having to be a fighter on health care is her strong suit.’ “Senator Clinton the fighter. This answer on having to be a fighter on health care is her strong suit. Her point in lampooning Obama's high-flying oratory is to say, I, too, had only the highest ideals about public service in Washington. But I know through experience, you need different tactics. This is her experience argument.”

MyDD’s Todd Beeton – Hillary’s ‘I’m a fighter’ line was ‘one of her best selling points.’ "Hillary Clinton: "I'm a fighter." One of her best selling points, especially against Obama."

Ohio Daily Blog – ‘Clinton did well with Russert's question about her 2000 pledge about creating jobs in Buffalo.’

WCPO Radio’s Dan Walthrip – ‘Hillary Clinton certainly claimed ownership of the word 'universal' in terms of healthcare.’

[Renew Deal]

1. Where did you get that information from?

[NYCGirl]

5. Bet you 5 bucks that Clinton's campaign sent out an email with those reviews.

:evilgrin:

[CatnHat]

10. Press Release

Go read on the websites yourselves. It's all there.

[Renew Deal]

19. So you plagiarized it.

How do I go read it. Where's the link?

[CatnHat]

34. Plagiarized

now that's kinda a funny word coming from a Obama supporter. Look it up yourself. Better idea, Call Andrea Mitchell, and the other folks at NBC and ABC, or the Ohio Blog. Be my guest.

[Renew Deal]

40. Guilty

You copied the information and presented it here as your own. Then, you refuse to provide a link. That's condemnable behavior.

[krkaufman]

53. Ouch. Can you explain why your post so closely matches the Hillary blog post?

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/02/27/040954

[Danger Mouse]

54. cause he's on their payroll.

[charlie]

37. I just found it

A Hillary blog:

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/02/27/040954

[krkaufman]

56. good catch.

As though someone couldn't cull similarly favorable quotes re: Obama's performance tonight.

[K Gardner]

2. mmmkay. whatev. Hillary rocks.

[GarbagemanLB]

3. The public disagrees. See the poll results on msnbc.

[The Anti-Bush]

11. Obama won with over 60% according to MSNBC poll

[CatnHat]

16. I saw that little online voting thing

while the Obama supporters were busy clicking buttons, Clinton supporters were busy in the forum.

HILLARY
08

[bridgit]

28. Oh please: MSNBC is as Freep-able as any other polling point online...

[NJSecularist]

4. Cherrypicking?

YAY!

[Renew Deal]

6. You missed this one: Obama B+, Hillary B

http://thepage.time.com/2008/02/26/who-is-the-frontrunner

[TheDonkey]

7. A performance I could Xerox. Or could use with a pillow

[americanstranger]

8. Oh, okay then.

I'll just stop thinking for myself and go with what the pundits say.

- as

[lapfog_1]

13. many of the very same pundits quoted here

from MSNBC / NBC scored the debate with a definite Obama WIN.

[scheming daemons]

9. LOL... OK. Watch where the polls go...

The election markets already moved 3 more points in Obama's direction after the debate.


Forced to put their MONEY where their mouth is, stock purchasers at Intrade.com moved Obama shares from 81 to 84 and Hillary shares from 19 down to 16.


THAT tells you what the consensus was about who came out ahead in the debate. Spinners will spin.... but bettors don't fuck around with their money.

[JBoy]

14. Damn straight.

Nothing like having someone put their own $$$ on the line to get the truth.

[Abacus]

29. I've taken to watching those at times like these also

They're good to watch on primary days before the results are released to the public.

[JimGinPA]

12. In A Week's Time Hillary Will No Longer Be A Candidate

Thanks for the chuckle though.

:rofl:

[Political Heretic]

15. Not according to public poll.

Sorry, the voting public disagrees with your assessment.

[housewolf]

17. MSNBC poll - Obama wins 65% to Cllinton 22%

12% say neither.

58,693 respondants.

Not pudits, just people.

[CatnHat]

23. I thought Obama Supporters

love the media? Guess when it goes against you, all of a sudden their pundits.:rofl:

[bridgit]

33. Ding! And they flooded the polling point no doubt!!

65/22...pure Obama Girl, that number is ludicrously over the top funny :rofl:

[earthside]

35. I thought old Hill's supporters ...

... thought the bad media was biased? Guess when you can find a few out of context quotes that make the old girl look good, all of a sudden you're in love with the media.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

30. I don't know who won.

But are you really giving any credibility to an online poll? C'mon.

[Auntie Bush]

41. Well most MSNBC viewers are Obama supporters...just like their talking heads

So that vote was to be expected. That's like asking DUers who won.
Fat chance Hillary would ever win a poll around here...even if Obama got mad, cried and walked off the set.

[Blue-Jay]

ShatnHat

[Eurobabe]

26. I fucking hate Defcon, my ignore list crawls out like slime

from under a rock.

[RoadRage]

18. 65% of viewers thought Obama won.. only 23% thought Clinton won..

but you're certainly allowed your own opinion. I just want you to know how out of touch it is with everyone else who watched the debate.. and those peope matter too - because they each get a vote.

[NDambi]

20. YAWN...she made no KO's..the debate doesn't change her position..she will still lose..no major diff

[JeanGrey]

21. Sure she did.

[BenDavid]

22. HRC did not have to knock obama out to win tonight. All she had

to do was show the differences in her and obama and that came through loud and very damn clear. People are beginning to see there is nothing but an empty suit in obama and after he says "change" for 40,000 times in a speech that too is wearing damn thin.and there is nothing in his positions that people can actually understand. Hell, it's hard to understand when there is nopthing behind any door....Maybe there will be time for HRC to overcome this and win this campaign and not allow someone that is not ready to lead this country more on down the rabbit hole......

[mkultra]

24. she would have won completley if she hadnt

lost!

[Eurobabe]

25. Why don't you ask the people and not the pundits?

Who gives a shit what the bloggers and the media think? Really? :shrug:

[charlie]

27. I picked one quote and looked for it in context

ABC News’ Rick Klein – ‘It does seem like Clinton has settled on an effective tone this evening.’ “That silly distraction of an SNL reference aside -- it does seem like Clinton has settled on an effective tone this evening. She's mixing substance with style, attacking without seeming overtly negative, sounding like she's playing defense when she's really playing offense.”

That was posted at 9:21, very early in the debate.

At the debate's end:

10:42 pm ET: That was an exhausting 90 minutes -- just to watch. Probably as close to a draw as you can imagine -- really, two very talented politicians and debaters fighting it out extremely closely.

On one level -- no clear winner is good news for Obama, the frontrunner, who avoided any significant missteps. But there are plenty of scattered moments for the Clinton campaign to be proud of (though that bizarre reference to the SNL skit, to me, was a low point). All told, she made it substantive, kept the focus on Obama's record (or lack thereof).

They did not break much new policy ground this evening. But for a Clinton campaign that's looking to fight out the final week before Ohio and Texas, maybe, just maybe, there's some pieces here that she can work with. Obama entered and leaves Cleveland State as the frontrunner. But there's a big week left...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/live-blogging-f.html

If you're going to buttress your contention with pullquotes that appear to agree, DO IT HONESTLY, FER CHRISSAKES.

[nancyr]

31. So much for the pundits.

They apparently saw a different debate than I did.

[City Lights]

32. A nice parting gift.

Faxed talking points. How original.

[Kittycat]

36. CatnHat - have you seen REDFISHBLUEFISH?

HRCs "I'm a fighter" was lifted from Edwards.
She also made a complete fool of herself with the SNL comment.

Sorry, try again. Please say hello to our tombstoned fishy :)

[tishaLA]

42. I asked that the other day

No answer.

Next: HortonHearsAWho?

[Danger Mouse]

47. holy shit! i think you found a sock puppet.

someone should let the admins know.

[tammywammy]

57. LOL

:rofl:

[mkultra]

59. wow, did he get TS?

[Alizaryn]

38. Huh?

Maybe I missed something?

[ContinentalOp]

39. "The Feel Good Debate of the Season" - Earl Dittman - Wireless Magazine

Clinton was "never better"... "a political tour de force." "she's the real deal"
Peter Travers - Rolling Stone

[AtomicKitten]

43. She won the 6 lb ham consolation prize.

[Fox Mulder]

44. I don't know what debate you were watching...

it obviously wasn't the same one I was watching.

[bjnumb9]

45. Delusion

Sure, Hillary "won" hands down. She's probably going to surge to the nomination!

:dunce:


This joke grows old. The sooner this website is about Obama vs. McCain the better. It's been almost twenty years since someone other than a Bush or a Clinton has been our President - Nov. 5th, 2008 can't come soon enough.

[NeedleCast]

46. Ultimatly the Voters will decide

You can tell me you told me so if Hillary wins the nomination..

[Danger Mouse]

48. haha, this sad attempt at spin is laughable...

welcome back to du, sockpuppet, enjoy your stay while it lasts.

[tabatha]

49. From the Obama site

TIME (Joe Klein): He won. He not only won by not losing, but he also won on points--and on demeanor, and on quickness… LINK

Time (Jay Carney): Hillary Clinton missed some opportunities tonight. Her complaint at the beginning about the format of the debate seemed to fall flat. LINK

TIME (Mark Halperin) …Obama: B+, Clinton: B- “Avoided lofty rhetoric and focused on presenting himself as cool, deliberative, and substantive. Well prepared and focused.” LINK (On Clinton: “Her conviction that the media is biased against her seemed to throw her off throughout, and she was too distracted by her frustration with Obama and the press to truly shine.”)

NBC (Mark Murray): … Obama has an excellent command of his plan and his defense. LINK

MSNBC (David Gregory): …What you see time and time again with Barack Obama is a coolness about him. He absorbs a particular attack or a question or a pointed statement and tries to maybe acknowledge the point and then turn it around.

Washington Post (Chris Cillizza) …Obama successfully parried most of Clinton's offense and even turned some of her aggressiveness against her. LINK

Politico (Ben Smith) “Back to the war”: … it's always been Obama's trump card, and he returns to it tonight LINK

AMERICAblog (Joe Sudbay): … Obama was steady on a broad range of issues … In my view, the win goes to Obama. A clean win. LINK

The New Republic (Michael Crowley): …Obama is quick on his feet and good humored. He also conveys a certain bemused remove from the bizarre conventions of traditional insider politics LINK

ABC (Rick Klein): …Notice that Obama is the first to try to turn the argument to Sen. McCain -- their battle has already begun, if tentatively, and Obama welcomes it. LINK

[Renew Deal]

52. Thanks!

Great post!

[RockyTorres]

50. She won hands down...

[scheming daemons]

51. I was wondering what happened to REDFISHBLUEFISH......another DU reincarnation.....

...

Hi there, RFBF!

[ccharles000]

55. Hillary rocks

:loveya:

[tabasco]

58. One more week of bizzarroland at DU.

One more week.

[Johnny__Motown]

60. to little to late