Dodd Talking To Clinton; "it wasn't a fun conversation to have"

[SoFlaJet]

when he called her this morning to tell her he was endorsing Barack Obama-(according to Lee Cowan on MSNBC)...I wonder if this sets her off into screaming banshee Hillary in the debate tonight. Is it any wonder why most of the people who work with her either in the senate or in the Clinton administration have no problem defecting?

[gasperc]

1. oh Lord, not good

Townsend gave her great advice, go out on a high note. I guess anyone would flip out after blowing a 40 point lead and $100+million dollars.

[jmg257]

5. "high note", "shrill note", what's the diff?

[Fluffdaddy]

10. Disagree. Hillary fight until you can't possibly win.

Never surrender Never give up............. :evilgrin:

Make Obama work for the nomination. Because the GOP and Wing-nut Radio are going to fight dirty

[Cha]

20. Yeah, hilary's positioned

herself like a goperative..fightin' down lowndirty but poor hilary is gettin' boomeranged.

[Big Blue Marble]

29. Do you realize how much money would be wasted in your senario?

Money that would be better spent by Democrats to fight McCain. Money that comes from many small donors like me. I do not want
my money wasted. Now I want it used where it will do the most good, cleaning out the nest of Repukes that have nearly destroyed this country.

Obama has worked for this nomination and has been brilliantly effective. We need to focus on the GE now.

She cannot win now. It is over and she needs to leave the stage so we can
go about taking back the Whitehouse.

[Kittycat]

46. Not to mention money that could be supporting other lower level candidates.

Such as in IL-14, where we're fighting to keep out of Repuke hands. Foster just won the Dem primary, and is in a neck and neck battle with the well known "Milk Nazi" of Kendall County. We have to keep that nut from taking Hastert's seat. There are candidates all over like Foster, that need funds and support, but aren't currently getting it.

[Big Blue Marble]

48. That is a good point.

Just yesterday, I had to put off my state party when they asked for a donation. I told them that right now all my donations have to go to Obama.
I asked them to check back in two months. By then, I hope this over and I will be able to start supporting our local candidates better.

[ieoeja]

52. Which in IL-14's case would be too late.

Hastert resigned early instead of finishing out his term. So they are holding a special election in early March instead of waiting for the general in November.

[Kittycat]

72. Yes, we vote March 8th I believe.

There was a post today in our State forum showing that Foster has a slight lead - 45/41, but that can change with the wind around here. We're more red than our neighboring county - Dupage. It's really important for us to flip to blue this year, or we're sunk. Oberweis is just bad, bad, news.

[SoFlaJet]

58. Hillary Clinton doesn't care about that

all she, and her clan care about is Hillary. they will do whatever they can to try and win this nomination-it ain't happening so their plan B is to try and get John McCain elected so they can run again in 2012-the democratic party just like Bush with the republicans is always the second or third consideration BEHIND THEIR AMBITIONS

[Fluffdaddy]

70. Hillary is a life long democrat. She would never pull "your" plan B

[mdmc]

89. she was never a goldwater conservative?

:shrug:

[ieoeja]

91. No. She was a paid staffer at the RNC in 1968.

But as a member of the Rockefeller delegation she was treated rudely by Nixon's supporters. So she changed parties.

She didn't change because of the war.
She didn't change because of civil rights.
she didn't change because of poverty.
She changed parties because some Republics were mean to her personally.

You can see why some of us question her loyalty to Democratic policies.

[goclark]

93. She is NOT a life long Democrat

She was a Goldwater Republican girl.

[Fluffdaddy]

94. 40 years is life long in my book

[Alexander]

105. I guess Reagan was a lifelong Democrat in your book.

It wasn't until he was nearly 50 that he became a Republican.

Your avatar is telling.

[Fluffdaddy]

106. Telling what, That I'm a Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter?

I'm not trying to hide it.

[Alexander]

107. Way to dodge the issue. Was Reagan a lifelong Democrat?

He was a Democrat for 40 years. By your estimate, that's a lifetime.

So, does Ronald Reagan fit your criteria? Yes or no?

I suppose now that I think about it, your DLC avatar is telling - in that it's no surprise that you are evading the question.

[Fluffdaddy]

110. If this is a big deal for you.....here's my answer

Ronald Reagan was a Democrat for half his political life. Hillary has been Democrat for 99% have her political life. If you are so Petty as to pin her as a GOP'er for who she worked for 40 years ago.....fine.

BTW: The DLC is the main reason we won back both houses.

Texas/Ohio/Pennsylvania.........bring it home for us baby.

[superkia]

77. I think her and Bill are just a part of the wealthy elite that are trying...

to enslave us with poverty and she is just the elites first choice because they thought the American people would be happy with a D in office. If the elite cant have their first choice, they will go with their second choice...McCain and she is just trying to destroy Obamas chance of beating McCain if she cant get in. Just because someone starts out one way in life, corruption, money and power can always change some people and I believe she is one of them. I don't think its just all about her winning, I think its the elites agenda that is number one.

[grace0418]

81. Milk Nazi! That's great. Oberweiss is such an ass. It's too bad, his dairy products

are delicious, but I haven't bought them since I found out about him.

[ORDem]

64. And the Senate and House seats, please don't forget about those!

Else, even Obama's not going to get much done against the Gooper obstructionism.

:kick:

[Kittycat]

73. Exactly! I'm very concerned about that.

Monkeyboy wouldn't have been able to get anything done, if we had total Dem control when he took office. Now we're barely able to block anything, and not even that most of the time. We need a veto-proof majority, and I don't see that happening with Clinton. And having this drag on longer, is just going to hurt in finances and bad press, those running for these all important seats.

[DemzRock]

32. Well put.. n/t

[Rene]

67. Dodd's a traitor. What kind of Cabinet post was he offered?

[Kittycat]

74. "Traitor"? This isn't free republic. Go there, if you want to do that kind of nonsense.

Dodd is one of the good guys.

[BootinUp]

2. Screw Dodd, lol. nt

[bigtree]

3. yup, cause you know how they get when they're angry

:eyes: (do these folks actually listen to themselves??)

[Big Blue Marble]

37. Gawd, read sexism into everything.

Do you realize that you are participating in reverse sexism while trivializing the raised consciousness that
we feminists have worked towards for over three decades.

Your asinine quote is not what he said. He said it was a difficult conversion. And I am sure it was.
They are Senate colleagues from neighboring states. But all you see is sexism.

bigtree, you need a clearer mirror. Or at least use Windex on the one you are using.

[bigtree]

54. I call em like I see 'em. Sexism is the least of what's wrong with this post.

If you're 'feminism' is comfortable with the poster's characterizations of Hillary Clinton, then you are certainly in good company here.

[Big Blue Marble]

76. No I am not comfortable with the sexist tones that surface

in Hillary attacks. Banshee is inappropriate as other sexist labels that get thrown around with ease.
And I am equally disturbed by the charge sexism that gets thrown around with ease as well.

If your post was meant as criticism to the banshee comment rather that the Dodd quote I stand
corrected. I may have misunderstood your meaning and I apologize.

Yet far too many here and elsewhere many are faulting sexism as the explanation as to
why Hillary is not getting traction. That, IMO, is a red herring that does great disservice
to our cause of advancing women and their issues.

[Name removed]

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[Beausoir]

97. ...

[rodeodance]

4. I sure it was not easy for him. But you have to try to demean Hillary in the rest

of post don't you!! Shame on you

[jillan]

26. More Obamadrama.

[samdogmom]

6. What a - - - - -!

As I explained earlier in a SNL thread, you can only use this term if you support Hillary. If you don't it's derogatory!

So there, SNL Hillary fans... ( !!!!!! )

I REST MY CASE!

[Eurobabe]

7. Oh the horrors, I wonder if she went after him with a rolling pin?

[tabatha]

22. LOL

[Marie26]

38. Or throwing plates

That also seems to be a popular image. I'm sure Sen. Clinton was as gracious w/Dodd as she was w/Sen. Kennedy.

[polichick]

8. I'll bet it wasn't fun - "Shame on you Chris Dodd." nt

[cooolandrew]

40. Oh come on. Don't you feel there is something wrong if she has few friends in the senate.

[polichick]

44. I was just teasing about what she may have said to him...

I'm sure she has friends in the Senate ~ these guys just see the writing on the wall, they know people have had enough of the negativity.

[Tom Joad]

60. should have looked at the other posts first. should have known someone

would use that line first.

[DJ13]

9. Exclusive inside HQ photo when Hillary was told the news

:scared:

[jgraz]

11. I wonder if the sky opened and light came down

:evilgrin:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. banshee?

nice one.

[paulk]

15. banshee

The Banshee (IPA: /ˈbænʃiː/), from the Irish bean sí ("woman of the síde" or "woman of the fairy mounds") is a female spirit in Irish mythology, usually seen as an omen of death and a messenger from the Otherworld. Her Scottish counterpart is the bean shìth (also spelled bean-shìdh).

Not exactly a positive thing....


it's amazing the amount of sexist crap that rolls from the keyboards of some of these Obama supporters.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. i know. its amazing that these people then turn around and call themselves progressive

my grandfather was more progressive

[grace0418]

82. I agree. That's going too far.

The folks on both extremes of this primary really need to give it a rest.

[eleny]

13. It ought to be sobering

I'm sure it was tough for her to hear as it was tough news for him to deliver. Dodd is such a stand up guy for calling her.

[Cha]

24. And yet Connecticut went

for Obama.. That's what I was thinking..how gallant for Senator Dodd to call hilary first. I can't wait to read his endorsement of Obama.

[Midlodemocrat]

27. Dodd is a great guy. I have always admired him.

Worked for him for a bit as well. Great, great guy.

[eleny]

39. Nice to hear a first hand experience!

[cooolandrew]

41. When the finest Democrats in the senate are for Barack you know he is a leader...

... I know Boxer is neutral but I have watched her in the senate and she is very good friends with Barack too.

[kerstin]

14. Her staff is unusually loyal to her. n/t

[Metric System]

16. "it wasn't a fun conversation to have" You could take that comment a few different way. He could

just mean that it was difficult for him to break the news to her, rather than it was a screaming match.

[BenDavid]

17. here again is another backstabbing democrat that needed the

help of bill clinton and received it. So many over the years have asked bill and hillary for help and they offered it, but now just like kerry they backstab them both.

I do not feel sad for either clinton. They will have a most productive life but what I feel sad about is how easily the democratic party is aligning itself behind a candidate who himself said he was not experienced enough to be president. Well maybe we will not have to go through another 4 years with someone that should not have even been considered for this position.....personally obama reminds me so much like jimmy carter.....

[milkyway]

21. Thank you for providing a very succinct argument for the nomination of Barack Obama.

How democratic of you--if someone prefers a candidate other than Hillary, they're a backstabber. Don't think--just shut the fuck up and follow your Clinton marching orders! Thank goodness it's only one more week of this nonsense.

[BenDavid]

61. gee, you think maybe I have a hole in my soul? maybe obama

will produce a dvd for all of you so that when he loses, you will have something to fall back on.

[SoFlaJet]

68. no I think you have

another "agenda" which trumps anything the democratic party has or does-you'll be a neo-con in no time

[Beausoir]

98. "you'll be a neo-con in no time"

[JimGinPA]

25. You Make Me Laugh...

"another backstabbing democrat ". After what Hillary did to Kerry? :rofl:

[cooolandrew]

43. Barack has proved his learning curve by beating huge name recongntion. He also...

... has worked harder than any Democrat ever to increase funds for all his friends in the senate. Barack by all accounts, is holding the party together, and they respect him, profoundly for it.

[SoFlaJet]

49. Oh my God

you gotta be fucking kidding me-Kerry backstabbed HER????? Let me remind you Ben hur of your heroine throwing John Kerry under the bus for making a joke about George W Bush-she was the second senator to come out to condemn him-right after her "good friend" John McCain-it was disgusting-as are most of your posts

[Beausoir]

99. "it was disgusting-as are most of your posts "

[K Gardner]

55. There you go again..

[truedelphi]

63. Oh please with the experience thing already

Bill CLinton hailed from a rather small state and was only the governor there.

He went on to win the WH and then immediately there was a stir about his (and Hillary's) proposals for National Health Insurance Plan and the idea that gays in the military should be left alone.

Both of those items had to be abandonned, as Bill and Hillary did not know how to counter the attacks on those two policies. The C Presidency could be considered an experiment in "wonk-ishness" more than a demonstration of political maneuvering that ensures legislative success.

Most "successes" that the Clinton WH achieved were RW affairs - The 1996 Telecom bill, the NAFTA legistlation, the "reform" of the welfare program.

They made no headway on campaign finance reform.

Perhaps the one contribution to society that was most favorable was the Clinton success in creating a government budgetary surplus. And it has been said that part of the motivation for that was to help keep Social Security solvent for years to come.

[snappyturtle]

71. Are you suggesting there should be some Quid pro Quo here?

That's something, I thought, we are trying to get rid of.

I can only hope that former President Carter can see a little of himself in Obama. President Carter did some things I didn't like, as with all our presidents imho, but oh how much better we would be today had we REALLY listened and enacted his energy policy. Let's remember who the enemy is here...the republicans!

[weezie1317]

75. So he should have endorsed HRC because of FAVORS given by the Clintons???

Wow! Talk about back room politics and dirty favors.

[apocalypsehow]

103. And here again is something I posted in another thread to help un-confuse my fellow Democrats who

have fallen for the "ready on day one"/"experience" meme the Clinton campaign has been so fervently peddling as one of her great "assets":

After graduating from Yale Law School, she briefly works for the Watergate committee. Then it's off to Arkansas and a law practice. Good legal experience, but hardly rigorous seasoning for the presidency.

She is also the first lady of Arkansas for a number of years, and then during the eight years of the Clinton presidency the cabinet level department she heads gives her oodles and gobs of that "experienc-"...what? What's that you say? She didn't hold a cabinet level post in the Clinton administration? Ah, that's right: she graduated from being Arkansas's first lady to being the nation's first lady. All well and good - absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Let's move on-....what? Ah yes: you're quite right. She did run a health care task force for her husband from 1993 to 1994, and it was thanks to that sterling leadership that every single person in America today is covered by a health system that is the envy of the worl-...oh, wait, well, let's move on.

She has been in the United States Senate for seven years and counting. Her "experience" in the real mechanics of government, such as it is, comes from her time in that body. So, she is four years more "experienced" in an actual institution of the United States government than her opponent is. That's a mighty thin reed for Clinton supporters to dismissively sneer at Senator Obama over....

[eridani]

109. If the voters wanted experience--

--we'd be looking at a Biden-Dodd-Richardson race right now.

[Eric J in MN]

104. When did Chris Dodd need Bill Clinton's help? NT

NT

[milkyway]

19. Meet me in New Haven and let's have a real debate!

[Medusa]

23. What's most striking to me is that people who know her, work with her

like Dodd, are endorsing Obama. Says it all doesn't it? They chose him over her "experience".

[MonkeyFunk]

She has far more congressional endorsements

than Obama.

[Nailzberg]

28. It's never fun to be scolded.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. Screaming banshee?

Jesus fucking christ, the blatant sexism here is out of control.

[cooolandrew]

45. I stand against the sexist commentsthey are not helpful to Barack please respect the ladies people.

[SoFlaJet]

51. and the blatant "I am a victim" bullshit

from Hillary and all her surrogates and supporters here is laughable-and hopefully OVER in a week-I'm sick of these people accusing Obama supporters of everything under the sun-women hating, gay bashing, anti-democratic BULLSHIT I read every day here. Stop playing the fucking martyr and admit it-YOUR CANDIDATE HAS COMMITTED THE BIGGEST POLITICAL BLUNDER IN RECENT HISTORY

[SoFlaJet]

79. What do you have against black men Monkey funk?

why are YOU a racist?

[Beausoir]

96. "why are YOU a racist".

[tishaLA]

31. "screaming banshee" huh?

You need to rethink that. Try to be respectful, at the very least, of someone who has been a very effective senator.

[cooolandrew]

35. To get things doen a person needs unity. Most senators are backing Barack.

[MonkeyFunk]

42. Most senators are backing Barack?

Did you just make that up?

[SoFlaJet]

62. that's debatable

there are a lot of us here who would like to see Bobby Kennedy Jr run for her seat in 2012

[cooolandrew]

33. I know if they can't work with her. How can we?

[anamandujano]

34. So Dodd released this info to the press, but can he upstage Britney

for the day?

[Marie26]

36. There's no sexism in this campaign

No siree. Democrats call Sen. Biden & Dodd "screaming banshees" all the time.

[COFoothills]

47. I heard the same banshee term used to describe...

...Howard Dean four years ago. Was it sexist then?

Give me a break. Far as I am concerned she has wholly earned that criticism with her behavior since the last debate...and that has nothing to with her plumbing and everything to do with the crap coming out of her mouth.

I swear, some of you HRC supporters are convinced of this misogynist conspiracy to defeat her. It ain't there. She's been a lousy candidate and she ran a strategically unsound and poorly managed campaign. That's why she losing and it nothing to do with gender.

[Marie26]

50. Bull

HRC is losing for some very valid reasons, and for some very invalid ones. I can't believe the blatant sexism here & other places, and people's inability (or unwillingness) to call it out when they see it. She's been called every slur against women imaginable - shrill, banshee, witch, bitch, bi-polar, emotionally erratic, mata-hari seducer & destroyer of men! LOL. There's a common thread running through all these slurs, and a common archetype: the witch. In fairy tales, the good women are submissive & search for a man to fulfill their dreams; while the bad women are "witches" and "evil stepmothers" and "wicked queens" - powerful, independent, frightening. This misogyny goes bone-deep & is systemic in our society. And any woman who seeks power or achieves success is automatically switched from the "good woman" category to the "evil woman" catagory. That's how the patriarchy continues. It's very disheartening. I don't know if we'll ever have a female President.

[COFoothills]

53. When a good female candidate runs a good campaign...

...and has the right message that people take to at that particular time and place...you'll have a female president.

The numbers of qualified women are growing each election cycle. Senators, Congresswomen, Governors....there's some pretty great women out there in our government.

Hillary Clinton just wasn't the right one at the right time.

[SoFlaJet]

I was saying the same thing to my wife last night

just like Jesse Jackson wasn't the right African American in 84 or 88 HRC is NOT the right woman for the job now-she's running a horrible campaign-and it has nothing to do with gender-it's all about the war vote and the people she has giving her advice

[ORDem]

65. Napolitano for VP, then Pres. in '16. n/t

:kick:

[Recursion]

78. "bi-polar" is a slur against women?

Most of the persons I know with bipolar affective disorder are men.

[Marie26]

86. IMO yeah.

Because of the context in which it's used. Bi-polar, schizo, crazy b*tch, etc. are flung around w/regularity to describe Clinton. People aren't seriously saying that they believe she is manic-depressive, rather it's just another way to demean & discredit her. The "crazy b*tch" sterotype is a misogynistic staple, along w/the "evil stepmother", "wicked queen", etc. For a close example, these stereotypes are all over this very thread.

Imagine if Dodd had endorsed Clinton instead, and said that it was a hard call to have to make to Obama. Would people be interpreting that to mean that Obama hit him with rolling pins, became a screeching banshee, etc.? No. It wouldn't even occur to them. Clinton reached out & shook Ted Kennedy's hand after he endorsed Obama, worked w/Republicans who tried to impeach her husband, etc. And yet people think she became a "crazy witch" when Dodd endorsed Obama? Huh? It's like people don't see Clinton, the person, at all. Instead, people see instead the image of what a "wicked witch" would do & then envision HRC doing the same thing - however little relation that has to reality. IMO people have the negative female stereotypes already fully-formed in their heads, & then project it onto Clinton. It might be just as easy to do that to any female presidential candidate. It's easy to do; our society already provides the models to use.

[Recursion]

87. The only mention of rolling pins and thrown dishes has been from Clinton supporters

Senator Clinton, like her husband, is famous for holding a grudge and having a temper. Frankly her husband is even more famous for it. The OP as far as I can tell suggested that she yelled at Dodd. She has yelled at people before, and it would not surprise many people if she did that in this situation, too.

ON EDIT: I missed the "banshee" reference in the OP, which I suppose is fair enough to complain about, though President Clinton has been called similarly negative things for his temper.

[Marie26]

88. Did you not read the OP?

"Screaming banshee", the topic of my post? That's a sexist stereotype. It would greatly surprise me if she yelled at Dodd, since she was very gracious w/ Sen. Kennedy. I think Clinton cares about her relationships & standing in the Senate & would not jeapardized those relationships by alienating her collegues. She is a professional, if nothing else. And I seriously doubt that she'd become an unhinged screaming banshee at the news, however much satisfaction people might have in imagining that. And I do think it's sexism that people will automatically go there - IMO that's how sexist stereotypes come out in ways that people aren't even aware of.

[Scurrilous]

56. I imagine not. n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

57. I don't imagine it was a fun conversation to have. If he had decided

to endorse Clinton I don't imagine his conversation with Obama would have been fun either. I don't think it's fair to automatically assume that his comment was based on her behavior.

[ProgressIn2008]

69. I agree - I assumed he was talking about his own feelings. Why use "screaming banshee"?

Although there is the "went after him with the rolling pin" remark, too.

[Tom Joad]

59. I could imagine "Shame on you, Christopher Dodd!"

[ORDem]

66. I wonder how far he had to hold the earpiece from his head. n/t

[JVS]

102. Why do you assume she screamed at him. She could have cried, which would also have been unpleasant

[Beausoir]

80. Sexist slop.

[Name removed]

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[Beausoir]

95. "it must be since you seem to hate blacks".

Nothing left to be said. Nothing.

[gateley]

85. It would be difficult to tell a long time friend and colleague that you were

endorsing a different candidate. I'm sure it was hard for both of them.

[intaglio]

90. Please take out the objectionable term "Screaming Banshee"

You might want to substitute "unreasoning fury" - still not good (if you know the origin of the word fury) but better than calling her a maelevolent spirit of doom which is the currently understood meaning of Banshee. The original meaning has been lost with the original words "bean sidhe"

[Beacool]

92. Screaming banshee??????

I never thought that I'd say this about a Democrat, but how I'm going to enjoy watching the Republicans throw everything, including the kitchen sink, at Obama in the GE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JVS]

100. I bet it would have been hilarious to listen in on though

I hope Agent Mike's friends who are assigned to listen to our politicians had a good time,

[Thrill]

101. Hillary told him I dare you go against the Clinton Politcal Machine

[eridani]

108. Since you didn't hear it, how do you know what her tone of voice was? n/t