Since Ellen asked Hillary if she being given a harder time because she is a woman, I must ask. . .

[wndycty]

Is Barack being given a harder time because he is an African American with a unique name and outspoken wife?

Is the AP running articles questioning Hillary's patriotism?

Are folks circulating pictures of Hillary without her hand over her heart?

Are folks speculating as to whether or not Hillary is a drug dealer?

Are folks circulating pictures of Hillary from overseas trips trying to imply she is Muslim and/or Taliban supporter?

Are folks ciruclating e-mails accusing her a being a Muslim?

Are DUers calling her a religious wingnut despite the fact that she recently appeared on the 700 Club and belongs to a Bible study group?


Oh poor Hillary, poor, poor Hillary :sarcasm:

[NightWatcher]

1. was Hillary really at the 700club? please give me a link

[wndycty]

2. Here you go

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/02/clinton-tells-7.html

[NightWatcher]

holy crap (literally) I cant believe she went on the 700 Club to suck up to Robertson

Does everyone else know about this?

Here's the video

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/327692.aspx

A funny quote from the story. She's talking about Nader

"I don't know what he's up to other than seeking attention or some other personal motivation," Clinton told CBN News in an interview Sunday. "Or maybe being unwitting about it, he truly is helping the Republicans because clearly that's what his candidacy would mean, and I think it's regrettable."

[wndycty]

16. I tuned into the 700 Club for the 1st time today and looking forward to see what. . .

. . .she has to say.

[papau]

17. she did not suck up to anyone - more Obama crowd smears - doesn't seem to be a limit

a bit pathetic that Obama folks deny Obama's smear/play the race card/lie campaign - or that those "left" ideas are per Obama "on the table" to trade for GOP love and changing the atmosphere in DC.

The best part has been Obama stopping discussion of his lack of political ability to get left type victories of any size - by play the race card and getting 24/7 discussion of the "race card" - all by using his folks to say they saw racial undertones in comments by Clinton supporters - while he let it boil for a few weeks until he finally said the Clintons were not racists (not noting anything they had accomplished for blacks - like better jobs/income) but then claiming Hillary should be faulted for lack of control of all who support her - only 4 weeks later when he unleashed a few slurs/smears via supporters he claimed it was silly to assume anyone could control their supporters.

The walk on water sale via a GOP organizations/corporate media that has had its emails explaining its support of Obama as an attempt to get the weaker candidate printed on DU many times seems to work well with the men that are afraid of a women in authority.

[wndycty]

19. There will be some (not necessarily you) who have openly mocked and raised concerns about Obama's...

. . .faith. Is there a double standard on DU?

[papau]

27. Obama's.faith - unlike Hillary's - does not seem to interfere with his using smears/lies to

defeat her.

It is a bit pathetic that the Obama folks deny his smear/play the race card/lie campaign - or that those "left" ideas are per Obama "on the table" to trade for GOP love and changing the atmosphere in DC.

The best part was Obama stopping discussion of his lack of political ability to get left type victories of any size - by play the race card and getting 24/7 discussion of the "race card" - all by using his folks to say they saw racial undertones in comments by Clinton supporters - while he let it boil for a few weeks until he finally said the Clintons were not racists (not noting anything they had accomplished for blacks - like better jobs/income) but then claiming Hillary should be faulted for lack of control of all who support her - only 4 weeks later when he unleashed a few slurs/smears via supporters he claimed it was silly to assume anyone could control their supporters.

The walk on water sale via a GOP organizations/corporate media that has had its emails explaining its support of Obama as an attempt to get the weaker candidate printed on DU many times seems to work well with the men that are afraid of a women in authority.

But as to faith - I do not question anyones faith - from the atheist's faith in no God to anyone's faith in anything as the creator/judge of this world.

[K Gardner]

20. Someone posted here that Obama did the 700 Club, too. I'm looking for that and will post if I find.

[K Gardner]

24. Here's the Obama interview on CBN..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_M837Llcw

[rodeodance]

30. and " I cant believe [Obama} went on the 700 Club to suck up to Robertson" Link here:

YouTube - Barack Obama on The 700 Club

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_M837Llcw

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. "David has repackaged some of the interview he had with her"...She did NOT make an appearance

[rodeodance]

26. HERE: YouTube - Barack Obama on The 700 Club

YouTube - Barack Obama on The 700 Club

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_M837Llcw

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. Can they not BOTH be given a hard time?

Seriously, you need to stop taking every Clinton comment or question as a knock against Obama. You're not doing your candidate any justice here.

[UALRBSofL]

4. You forgot what Obama said about Hillary

He suggested she was hormonal.

The times she teared up.

He accused her of the photos without proof.

The L word came up on DU.

The "going through the changes" came up.

The "mother effect and green peas" came up.

The Jennifer Flowers issue.

[K Gardner]

6. Memo: DU is not the real world. Obama does NOT work at DU or post at DU.

[bunnies]

8. Its Gennifer. With a G.

If you insist on smamming the board about it, at least spell it right.

[UALRBSofL]

23. bunnies, I'm not spamming

Now if you turn a blind eye, I call 50 posts yesterday about Obama's picture and blaming Hillary when it wasn't true as spamming because Hillary denounced and denied it. That said, Obama supporters really don't care about that.

[Apollo11]

9. The L word was me - not Obama.

Please don't blame him for my twisted attempt at satire.

[wndycty]

11. Don't forget the Clinton camp is going to throw everything . . .

. . including the kitchen sink.

[SoxFan]

48. Link?

[K Gardner]

5. Hillary embraces the sexism meme. The most telling part of that

little exchange was that after Ellen's staged question, Hillary just gave a little meek look and waited for the audience to yell their agreement that "poor Hillary was being dissed for being a woman".. then she meekly agreed, citing some stupid line about not being asked if she needed a pillow. :wtf:

The DIGNIFIED and VICTIMLESS thing to do would be to say: I am not running on gender. I am running because I am the best for the job.

But once again, she embraced and allowed the portrayal as a victim of sexism, a victim of the press, a victim of a vast conspiracy.

A victim is not someone I want for Commander-in-Chief.

[wndycty]

7. Yes, she is not knocked for embracing that meme, however Obama gets accused of playing the race card

Double standard? Whenever the issue of race comes up he is immediately accused of playing the race card and mocked.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. It's because the people doing the mocking are a little racist in the first place.

There is no "gender card" because women make up 51% of the population, and, like it or not, we ALL have to deal with women. We don't all have to deal with black people, and as such, it's easier to minimize any rightful arguments by saying it's a race-card argument.

That said, there ARE those of all colors, genders, and creeds that do, indeed, minimize their own messages by being far too zealous. Obama is far, far away from being one of those people, however.

edit-typo

[wndycty]

13. Very astute observation

:kick:

[Bluerthanblue]

29. very good points- we are all born of women-

I find Obama's reluctance to 'play' race, very admirable, and encouraging.

thanks for your wisdom.

peace~

[VotesForWomen]

51. so are taliban members. what's your point? and obama has in fact played the race card all over the

place. open your eyes.

[UALRBSofL]

14. It's difficult to post about the candidates when

Obama supporters hate Clinton and wont vote for her in the GE throughout the country and Hillary supporters hate Obama and wont vote for him in the GE throughout the country. When opinions are set in stone there is always a biased opinion. So, we take each others opinions with a grain of salt.

[Window]

49. This Obama supporter does not hate Hillary and will vote for

her in the GE if she is the nominee. I just don't like much these days.

[City Lights]

15. What's up with that pillow remark?

I was so taken back to GWB complaining how tough it was on the campaign trail without his usual feather pillow on which to rest his weary head at night. :rofl:

[K Gardner]

18. I think it was a reference, again, to the Saturday Night Live skit.

[City Lights]

22. Oh. I only saw a clip of that. Thanks. eom

[cooolandrew]

12. I know to make this about gender is distortion. It's her negative campaign,it's depressing...

...It will be great when we can get past the negativity because it is getting me down at times Barack really raises the spirits and we can surely look forward to happier times should he get the nomination and presidency.

[K Gardner]

21. That really is the bottom line. Spot on.

[rodeodance]

25. Apparently you are out of touch and do not listen to the msm--Obama has been

given a pass for the most part!

give a grip and educate yourself before you make yourself look foolish once again

[wndycty]

28. Give a grip? LOL

How do I look foolish? Because I point out the being a female candidate is no different than being a Black candidate? Also, since Obama is not making his race an issue, not using it to rally the troops, its become harder to define him as the Black candidate despite the Clinton campaign's best efforts.

[rodeodance]

33. But Obama has made race an issue.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. correct

[ClassWarrior]

36. Link?

NGU.

[rodeodance]

39. think back to the MLK issue. I do not need to provide a link.

[ClassWarrior]

42. I have no idea what you mean. So much for your unsubstantiated allegations.

Of course you don't have time to actually convince people to vote for your candidate with real evidence, as you're so busy name-calling and ridiculing others.

NGU.

[rodeodance]

45. POT MEET KETTLE. enough said.

[ClassWarrior]

47. What are you talking about? I gladly provide links...

...whenever someone asks me nicely.

NGU.

[stillcool]

38. funny how we remember things.....

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

[UALRBSofL]

31. rodeodance I can give you my opinion about that

I never thought Hillary would throw her hat in the ring because I never thought she had a chance. When she did, I thought she never would get the nomination for several reasons. The issues with Bill, the impeachment, Flowers, Lewinski to start with. And I thought the Clinton name was tarnished basically due to the republican/Rovian smear machine. The other reason was I thought we weren't ready for a woman president. I have thought that way before Hillary threw her hat in the ring, and I haven't changed my position on that.

[rodeodance]

32. She was up against the odds, yet she has done remarkedly well.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

40. A 20 point lead at the outset.

An ABC/WaPo poll had her up by 30 two months ago.

The rest of the field had the uphill struggle. :shrug:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

34. she did NOT make an appearance on the 700 Club it was a clip from another interview

[UALRBSofL]

37. Elsewhere, where did the Obama campaign get the tape from?

Was it created from old clips put together??

[ElsewheresDaughter]

44. "David has repackaged some of the interview he had with her"...She did NOT make an appearance

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. it was created from an interview on the stump or "pre-ackaged" as the link states

[elixir]

41. Nope, the GOP did all those things to Barack, not Hillary.

[wndycty]

50. It doesn't matter who did what to whom. . .

. . .the problem is its being done. If the GOP is to blame, fine. The OP was about what was being done to any candidate not who is responsible for what.