Supporters, I don't believe you. You're totally full of it.

[iconoclastic cat]

You know, there has been a lot of poop thrown around here, and one of the prevailing themes has been, "I won't vote for X if he or she is the nominee."

I don't believe you.

Snort and stomp your feet all you want. Repost tired lists from viral emails all you want. Post as many polls on inconsequential message boards all you want.

I still don't believe you.

The reason I don't believe you: Because you're not idiots. You know that handing the country over to McCain would be the result of not voting for the Dem nominee.

The GD: P forum is basically a urinal. Go ahead and get all of that out of your system here.

Because I really don't think you can hold it in for another four and a half years.

I look forward to hearing some sloppy make-ups when we have a nominee.

[Apollo11]

1. "Because you're not idiots"?

I am afraid that maybe some of us are idiots ... B-)

[iconoclastic cat]

2. No, if they can navigate DU's archaic interface design, they have brains. nt

[displacedtexan]

5. Archaic?

It may well be. I don't know; but, it's way easier to read and use than
every other discussion board I've ever seen.

[hendo]

23. idiots..

There sure seem to be a lot here. Or at least there are quite a few stubborn people. Thier bullheadedness (is that even a word) will likely keep them from admitting that maybe supporting someone, anyone, is better than supporting no one at all.

If you don't vote you have no right to engage in a discussion of the outcome, and absolutely no right to complain if the other guy wins.

[iconoclastic cat]

24. Exactly. But I think most of it is bluster. nt

[joeybee12]

3. Oh, yes I am an idiot! You take that back!

:P

[iconoclastic cat]

4. Prove it! nt

[joeybee12]

7. I am stamping my feet while I type...how's that?

:grr:

[iconoclastic cat]

11. It depends.

If you're still in your slippers, color me underwhelmed by your rancor.

[joeybee12]

9. Oh, even better...I believe Cindy McCain never has had botox!

If that doesn't make me an idiot, what else would?

[iconoclastic cat]

12. A discussion of skin care would be more productive than most of GD:P nt

[joeybee12]

13. Very true...so if McCain gets in, we can expect Cindy to daily

keep the American public informed about the benefits and disadvantages of over-botoxing. For someone my age, that's a good reason to vote for McCain! :crazy: :silly:

[Saturday]

6. Actually it's not too hard.

If you just adapt the Republican mantra "I've got mine, screw you" mentality it's an easy vote for McCain. And guess what, I'm not too far from making that be my mantra due to the nastiness of the Obama supporters. Bash away.

[iconoclastic cat]

8. Based on some pixels arranged in a way that irritate you?

That's a pretty flimsy rationale for screwing the future for everyone.

I don't believe that you'd do that.

[Saturday]

14. It's not just on the internet.

Obama has some obnoxious supporters IRL too. And if I don't feel Obama is qualified to be President then I don't believe I am "screwing the future for everyone".

[iconoclastic cat]

16. True or untrue: Failing to vote for the Dem nominee could cause a McCain win. nt

[Lerkfish]

18. I agree that there is not much difference between supporting Clinton and moving to McCain

and the more posts I see like yours convinces me of the thin veneer of the "centrist" movement in the party.

However, even though there isn't much difference, I would never vote republican, even if Clinton somehow miraculously ended up with the nomination.

[iconoclastic cat]

22. Lerk, don't label me. You have no idea where I personally stand on anything.

And once again, say it with me: Posts on DU are not representative of reality.

[Lerkfish]

28. i was speaking to yaddayaddayadda, not you.

follow the thread hierarchy.

[iconoclastic cat]

29. Oops, sorry, that got confusing. nt

[Lerkfish]

30. then I have absolutely not idea of what you're on about, since i wasn't talking to you

and I didn't label you, unless my description of yaddayadda's post is the shoe that fits you, which I don't think it does.


I edited to add: oh, I see you edited while I was taking a long time to reply, sorry. yes, it does get confusing.

[DemzRock]

10. I've always said I will vote any Dem over McCain...

But I have mixed feelings about BO. I guess I don't fall for flowery words with so much inexperience. But if he wins the nomination, I will support him!

[BklynChick]

15. I never voted for Bill and will never vote for Hillary again, inclu the Senate.

[iconoclastic cat]

19. Who annoys you more: Bush or Clinton? nt

[Deep13]

20. Guess you were for Dole, then. Or was it that egomaniac, Perot?

So why are you posting on a Dem. website?

[anamandujano]

26. That's okay, as long as you vote for Obama.

:eyes:

[Deep13]

17. I gotta tell yah, I'll have a problem in November.

I'll want to protect the Federal bench, reproductive choice, restore taxes on the rich, support the environment, education and labor. On the other hand, I am not kidding when I say I don't believe O is ready for the job. The job of president is basically the store manager for the country. The whole "issues" thing belongs mostly to Congress. I have to say that if I were not aware of McC's conservative voting record, he would be sounding pretty good right about now. The next president will essentially end the war in Iraq, so frankly that is a non issue. As far as promoting peace and justice in the world, I refer you to an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon can go to China. (You can decide whether "Nixon" refers to McC or HC.) I support the party (to the extent that there even is one), not the other way around, so I don't feel I owe anyone my vote. I will really need to think about it.

Of the three candidates, one has the ability to turn this economy around. We can't do anything without that. The R.'s have wrecked the national treasury to such a degree that we can't do much even if the economy does improve.

The cross-over voters who have been supporting BO especially in caucus states will not support him in the fall. Many of the true-blue D. supporters who have been alienated by many of O's hateful and rabid fans will not be quick to forgive that. Frankly, based on what I know about this country and my 25 years as a D. activist, I am resigned to the eventuality than an O nomination will mean a McC victory in November. So, come 3/5, if HC doesn't salvage her campaign, then I'm out. I cannot in good conscience donate a dime to Obama.

[iconoclastic cat]

21. You would be aiding that "eventuality," do you understand that? edited

to add:

Please think about the logic of what you are saying. You belong to Group A and oppose Group B, but you are furthering the success of Group B due to a disagreement with Group A. That is not sound logic.

[Deep13]

25. Are you asking if I know what voting is?

The question would be, who will better manage this country and the economy?
-centrist Dem. with no practical Federal experience.
-centrist R. with a lot of experience.

I really don't know the answer. Here's another question: who is better for the Democratic Party, four years of McCain or another Jimmy Carter?

Frankly, I doubt either of our candidates can beat McC in November. Out of everyone running, we picked the two worst choices as far as electability.

[iconoclastic cat]

27. That is insane. What you are saying is the talk of an insane person.

While I don't necessarily believe that you are insane, what you have written is most certainly lunacy.

First of all, the weakest candidates? Do you mean to tell me that someone else (other than Al Gore) could double, triple, and quadruple the turnout at primaries across the country?

Second, you are turned off by a lack "practical Federal experience"? If that's the case, why did Dean have so much support?

Third, do you mean to tell me that you believe the spin about McCain's centrism? That's beyond credulity. I won't bother to refute it. Google can do that for me.

And finally, do you also mean to tell me that Carter was a bad president? I suppose he wasn't set up to fail during the hostage crisis, either.

Get some fresh air and rethink this.

[Deep13]

31. Disagreement = insanity? That's a good way to get rid of opposition.

Discredit them or lock them up. Just like they did in WW I.

"First of all, the weakest candidates? Do you mean to tell me that someone else (other than Al Gore) could double, triple, and quadruple the turnout at primaries across the country?

"Second, you are turned off by a lack 'practical Federal experience'? If that's the case, why did Dean have so much support?"

Primary success does not predict success in November. ALL final candidates won their parties' nominations. Dean carried one state in the primaries. I was for Clark.

"Third, do you mean to tell me that you believe the spin about McCain's centrism? That's beyond credulity. I won't bother to refute it. Google can do that for me."

That depends where the center is. It is further to the right than a lot of us realize. The real question is whether it is accurate to paint either HC or O as centrists. Well, O people paint HC as a centrist and since O has almost the same voting record as HC for as long as he was in the Senate, he must be one as well.

"And finally, do you also mean to tell me that Carter was a bad president? I suppose he wasn't set up to fail during the hostage crisis, either."

Carter was a crappy president (not as bad as this one, but bad enough). He had no management ability at all and didn't seem to care that he didn't. Unemployment and inflation were in double digits and Carter was powerless to stop it.

"Get some fresh air and rethink this."

I've been doing that for 25 years. I never stop rethinking it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. ...

:thumbsup:

[BootinUp]

33. "basically a urinal" lol. Sad ain't it.

There are some who try to have serious discussions here, which rarely succeed.