Well, that does it I absolutely cannot vote for Obama now....

[Wetzelbill]

He wore a robe and turban. I could have maybe lived with not wearing the pin, and I saw proof that he recites the Pledge of Allegiance, but no leader of Mercka should ever wear a turban. I mean, it's Mercka!

Oh lord, this ugly season is just going to get uglier and uglier and uglier. This next 8 months the Right-Wing will do their best to bring out the ugliest, darkest, most embarassing forces and elements in our society. Sexism, racism, xenophobia. They will be worse than ever.

I know Michelle Obama was taken out of context, and I'll be the first to say, I am proud of our country in many ways, but I know one thing, there are things about my country that I am ashamed about. And the way people are scared and freaking out like frightened baby chipmunks and spewing hatred and vitriol because a national political figure wore a traditional robe and turban in another country, well that is nothing to be proud of, not at all.

It's embarassing how in this day and age, we can still be frightened and divided by the agents of hate and intolerance in our country.

[FrenchieCat]

1. I'm embarassed with You.....

so at least know that you are not alone!

[MagsDem]

2. Well deal with it

What Obama supporters forget it that red states are red for a reason -- fear mongering resonates for them. So you can poo poo them and make fun of them all you want, but that ain't gonna win it in the general election.

[donheld]

4. Some of you will do anything you can to make sure

it stays that way.

[MagsDem]

8. Some of us live in reality land

And some of us don't vote for the vaporware candidate who is gauranteed to get his ass kicked in the GE just because the media tells us to. Some of us actually look to see that the actions don't in any way, shape or form, match the bullshit rhetoric.

[cali]

14. you are enveloped by so much hate and contempt

for Obama that you couldn't possibly give an objective assessment. He is not "guaranteed" to lose. He's run a very good campaign in the primaries. There's no reason not to believe he won't run an equally good or better campaign in the general. The environment is favorable for a dem. He does better against McCain than Clinton in early polling. You vastly overrate your perspicacity and make no allowance for your hate of the candidate. He can win in November. Whether he does or not, remains to be seen, but you certainly don't have any insight worth listening to. Regarding Obama, it's all hate all the time.

[MagsDem]

22. Obama is an unelectable candidate who is also a bad candidate

Explain to me why he is against PACs while simultaneously raising millions for his own PAC and using that money to buy super delegates? How can you be against PACs and raise millions for you own? How can you be against taking money from lobbyists, but ask them to bundle money from non-lobbyist and take that instead?

I could go on all night. And I am happy to do it. Your candidate is THE most full of shit democrat that has ever run for president in my lifetime. You simply ignore the hypocrisy. I'm not voting for a guy who lies as much as Bush lies, I don't care what initial is after his name.

[anamandujano]

26. The MSM keeps telling us what a brilliant campaign he is running and

he probably believes it.

During the last debate, his thugs in the audience started applauding while he was floundering for words, about three times in one sentence.

[donheld]

32. Looks like the voters believe it too.

Poor you

[akbacchus_BC]

37. What is your proof that he is unelectable? Gosh, what is wrong with you all. He is invigorating the

electorate and young people to come out, that is beyond wonderful and to the old people who telling the young people to get lost, that is obnoxious. The world depends on young people and am happy they getting warmed up and noticing the political process, Kudos to all you young people, do not let anybody tell you that you cannot make a difference. You are making a wonderful difference. Reminds me when I was 12 and political that I scared my dad! We need you young people, you are our leaders in the foreseeable future!

[MagsDem]

40. Young people vote on emotion rather than fact....

when they show up to vote at all. That's the problem, you don't stop to recognize that a guy that has his own PAC and is documented as using that money to sway super delegate congressional reps is a hypocrite when he condemns PACs. Or that a candidate is full of baloney when he claims he doesn't take money from lobbyists, but enlists them to bundle money for him.

[cali]

49. Most people vote on emotion. Not just young people.

And most Senators have their own PACs. Politics is a breeding ground for hypocrisy. Obama is not innocent of that, and Clinton certainly isn't. That's politics. None of this, of course, has anything to do with his chances in November. Do you think that McCain is going to bring up Obama's PAC or his having lobbyist bundle for him? Now please, continue on with your rabid hate, dear.

[MagsDem]

81. Again, the point is Obama is LYING

Why do you keep trying to skirt that basic fact?

[cali]

48. the PAC thing has zip to do with how he'll do in the general, dear

As I said, you're so full of hate that nothing you say should be taken seriously. Everything you say about Obama is colored by that hate. You froth at the mouth when his name comes up. And plenty of people will vote for him. You are a minority. Most people don't have your over the top hate.

[MagsDem]

51. It has to do with the fact that he is a liar

And it has to do with the fact that after 29 yrs I have totally lost respect for a party base that will rant and rave against rethugs for good reason all these years, and then turn right around and support the biggest liar this party has seen in my lifetime.

See, some of us pay attention. And some of us notice blatent lies like that. And some of us even have zero respect for people that excuse it in our own party. It's called being principled. People without principles console themselves by calling it "hate."

[cali]

60. hate is pretty recognizable. you are frothing

you've whined and frothed for weeks about Obama and how it's all so unfair. I have no idea if you have any worthwhile principle, but whether you do or not, they're overshadowed by your consuming hate. It's not like you even attempt to hide it. And of course, you don't have the vaguest idea about my principles. That's simply more of your hate,dear.

[MagsDem]

67. Nice attempt to change the subject... fact remains you support a liar

And yes, I do take it personally when anyone with a D after their name lies like a rethug. You betcha. And no, you can't convince me that people that vote for a candidate that lies straight to their face and that they know is lying have principles. You also can't convince me that black is white or that up is down. And you can call it hate until you're blue in the face. In reality, it's called having principles.

[earthlover]

108. "You also can't convince me that black is white...."

So if black was white you might support Obama?

[MagsDem]

75. So I can't infer anything about your lack of principles

.... when you make it clear you don't care if he's a liar? See, I think that's where people with common sense, and yes, principles may differ. That really speaks to my main problem with his candidacy.... it's like we don't care if he's a liar, he's OUR liar. That is exactly the kind of thing that Bush supporters do that makes me lack all respect for them.

I have this line I draw with my vote. You can't look me in the eye and completely bullshit me about policy and beliefs, then expect me to vote for you on election day. Even, yes, even, if you call yourself a democrat. That's not hate, that's principles. He simply does not deserve the vote of anyone that values their democratic principles.

[akbacchus_BC]

34. Cali, do not despair, am here with you. Numbers count, am an Obama supporter. Hang in there!

[MagsDem]

36. Yeah, as long as you can ignore the blatant hypocrisy

You might as well vote for McCain if you are going to vote for a "democrat" whose only consistency is doing one thing while preaching another. How tight do you have to squeeze your eyes shut to do that and still pretend he is a worthy democrat?

[Wetzelbill]

5. it's not about red states or blue states

I am not necessarily talking about politics, in and of itself, I am talking about society and culture and ignorance. That blind stupidity and hatred that allows people to get roped into the ugliness. It blows me away, we should be better than that. That we have to deal with the childishness of the constant references to Obama's middle name, or the vilifying of different segments of our society along economic, racial and religious lines, not to mention gender and sexual preference, it's a black mark on what could be a truly great society.

[MagsDem]

12. Well I am sure the media will give you 45 min each evening

to explain that to people, and I am sure they will listen. Clue -- we are the only major country in the world that has never elected a woman. We aren't a great society. Sorry, but this kind of thing reminds me of rethugs that say "this is the greatest country in the world!!" To which I always reply, "how do you know, have you lived in every country in the world?"

[Wetzelbill]

24. what part of "what could be a great"

makes you think I said with absolute certitude that we were great all beyond belief the way cloaked in flag RWers talk? And when you use the word "major" that means "great" such as in "greater in dignity, rank or importance." So when you yourself use the term, how can you than critique somebody else for using it?

But you know, I do write columns, so maybe I won't get 45 minutes on tv, which has nothing to do with what I am saying, but maybe I can explain it to somebody anyway. Better than nothing.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Bigotry is NOT relegated to the "Red States." Not by a long shot.

[MagsDem]

13. No, but it tends to be outnumbered in the blue states

Although I believe if there is anyone that can buck that trend it's Obama.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Actually, anyone familiar with hate crimes stats would know that is not true.

Though reporting from states is not always complete, the myth that the "red" states are the worst in their bigotry is far from the truth. Bigotry knows no state border.

[MagsDem]

19. Yeah, 'cause red states have hate crimes laws

Ooops, no they don't. Guess that blows your theory all to hell.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Perhaps you should learn more.

It isn't a matter of states having hate crime bills, it is a matter of them reporting them to the federal government, which they are required to do. The problem comes from the federal government not mandating what must be reported. Considering 45 states have hate crime laws, it seems it is your theory which has been shot to hell; unless of course there are only 5 "red" states.

[DearAbby]

9. 19% and 935 lies to take us to war with a country that had

never threatened us...Question is, exactly who and what should we fear? I dont think the terror card will carry as much weight as it did in 2004. I may be wrong, But I dont think we will be seeing any Osama Bin Laden tapes cheerleading Democratic candidates this time around.

[sandnsea]

3. Well that's the kind of thing she's not so proud of

So when they start slinging around racist smears, she can just point to them as an example of what she hasn't been proud of.

[Wetzelbill]

6. rock on

:toast:

[MagsDem]

29. Oh yeah, she's a racist just for running against him

That will play really well in the GE, too.

[Window]

45. My thoughts exactly Sandnsea.

Peace:thumbsup:

[Behind the Aegis]

10. What is shameful is to this activity here.

It has been absolutely disgusting, some of the posts. Bigotry is alive and well, even among the self-proclaimed liberals/democrats/progressives.

[MagsDem]

15. Don't confuse reality for bigotry

Some of us don't wear those rose colored glasses Obama supporters do.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. I am not confused.

I have 15 years professional experience with diversity training and am well aware of the issues that face our country, as a whole. The reality is bigotry knows no state boundaries (as I said to in my last post) and it knows no political boundary. Don't confuse bigotry with reality. Bigots are real and the reality is many people are mired in bigotry.

[MagsDem]

23. If you have 15 yrs of training, how come you don't know red states....

don't tend to have hate crime laws?

[Behind the Aegis]

25. Can you read?

45 states have hate crime laws. There are 50 states. This means five (5) do not. There are more than five "red" states.

[MagsDem]

27. You really need a reality check

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/table12.htm

[Behind the Aegis]

30. You need reading classes.

45 states have hate crime laws. There are 50 states. This means there are 5 states which do NOT have hate crime LAWS. All your table "proves" is that not all states REPORT hate crimes, which I addressed in my other post and shoots your idiotic notion that "red" states don't have hate crime laws. So, the only "reality check" needed here is yours! Well, that and a nice remedial reading comprehension class.

[MagsDem]

35. Yeah, and there wasn't one darn hate crime in the entire state of AL

like most 'red states.' I repeat, you need a serious reality check.

[Behind the Aegis]

38. And I repeat....you need remedial reading comprehension classes.

45 states have hate crime laws (shooting your crap "theory" in the head). 5 states do not. There are more than 5 "red" states. Reporting laws are different. But, even from your "proof" all but two states reported hate crimes. That's 48! So are you saying that only Alabama and Mississippi are the only two "red" states?

There has to be a reading comprehension version of "Hooked on Phonics." I am guessing I could even have a donor drive to get you the needed DVDs.

[MagsDem]

42. The statistics are right there to see....

You can live in a dream world, until you actually look at the data. Reading comphrension ... lol. I can read. Can you?

[Behind the Aegis]

46. I didn't say you couldn't read.

I said you couldn't comprehend what you read. Your post indicates this.

MagsDem (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-26-08 03:18 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. If you have 15 yrs of training, how come you don't know red states.... don't tend to have hate crime laws?

Proved incorrect.

MagsDem (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-26-08 03:37 AM
Response to Reply #30
35. Yeah, and there wasn't one darn hate crime in the entire state of AL
like most 'red states.' I repeat, you need a serious reality check.

Proved to be a red herring, as well as incorrect.

MagsDem (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-26-08 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. Yeah, 'cause red states have hate crimes laws
Ooops, no they don't. Guess that blows your theory all to hell.

Proved incorrect.

No, there still needs to be a fundraiser to get you some remedial reading comprehension classes.

[MagsDem]

50. Oh bullshit... stop playing pretend

The data is right there for anyone willing to click the link. If you mean hate crimes against religion then fine. But you know damn well that's not the issue here. You'd have to be living in never never land to believe that states like Alabama, Alaska, Georgia, Wyoming just don't have any real numbers of hate crimes against people of color to report. Hell, your own damn sig lines shows you don't even believe it when it comes to religious bias.

Quit with the bullshit. You don't need a reading class, you need some truth serum.

[Behind the Aegis]

53. You need real help.

I said nothing about religion (red herring). I said nothing about "real numbers" (false conclusion). Your statement: "Hell, your own damn sig lines shows you don't even believe it when it comes to religious bias." doesn't even make sense.

So, the only bullshit here is yours. I tore apart your idiotic statements, one by one.

[MagsDem]

57. Oh yeah, you sure did, if you ignore the actual facts

Good job. You have a sig line that claims anti-semitism is on the rise, then you engage in an argument claiming that red staters are going to vote for a black guy that can be painted as a muslim. You're a regular genius.

[Behind the Aegis]

59. Still don't have anything do you?

I shut down your idiotic arguments, one after the other. Then you engage in a fallacious ad hominem*. Then finish up with a lame personal attack.

*"You have a sig line that claims anti-semitism is on the rise, then you engage in an argument claiming that red staters are going to vote for a black guy that can be painted as a muslim."

[MagsDem]

64. What's ad hominem about it?

I posted the actual facts about bias crime reporting, which make it absolutely totally fucking clear as a bell that you are 100% wrong. It does not get reported in the red states even when there are laws on the books. In addition, if you actually knew anything about this topic you would know that the laws are not specific to race and ethnicity, but also lump religion in with your bogus 45 states claim. 45 states that have laws against religious bias do not translate into 45 states with laws about racial bias. For example, TX has no law about racial hate crimes, but you count it, don't you? 15 yrs of diversity training my butt. You need a better instructor.

But facts be damned, I know. Facts now consitute an ad hominem attack.

[Behind the Aegis]

66. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe your posts.

You don't know SHIT about hate crimes. The fact you have the HRC logo as an avatar is disgusting. You keep changing the posts because you know you have been out-classed. You have shown to the number of readers here you do not have the basic skills of reading comprehension, and you sure as shit, don't have the basic skills of debate. You are a poor debater and facts are meaningless to you because you don't know how to interpret or use them. Your own source makes you out to be ignorant of the basics of the discussion.

[MagsDem]

69. Yeah, okay

But you just posted a link to a pdf file from the ADL that proves my point. You can pretend that every state that has a law against religious bias also has one against racial bias, which is the topic of this thread, but it's simply not true. And you'd do well to stop posting links to things that prove you don't know what you're talking about. Have a nice evening. :)

[Behind the Aegis]

71. Get a fucking clue!

I never said every state has a law against religious bias, as well as racial. You started this with your BULLSHIT allegation that the "red" states had no hate crime laws. I shot your 'argument' to the fucking ground! You continued with reporting issues, which I addressed early on in the thread. You have gone so far off the rail you can't even remember what the original point was. Fortunately, those with reading comprehension skills will be able to see you have made no case and have relied on "changing the goalposts" and STILL couldn't make your point. Your posts are truly sad and pathetic. Really, get yourself to a third grade class, as that is where the teach understanding what you read.

[MagsDem]

73. Yeah, you shot my argument to the ground about racial bias....

by claiming 45 states have laws against religious bias. Man, you are so smart. Not big on reality though. Nor on actually sticking to the topic of the thread. The thread is about racial bias, not religious bias. I think it's pretty clear I'm not the one with the reading problem here.

[Behind the Aegis]

76. Reading is fundamental. Not just MENTAL.

I never claimed 45 states had laws against racial or religious bias. I said 45 states had hate crime laws! As for smart, yeah, I passed you miles ago. For a thread about "racial" bias, you had no problem saying: "...then you engage in an argument claiming that red staters are going to vote for a black guy that can be painted as a muslim." You do realize the Muslim is a religious term referring to an adherent to the RELIGION of Islam? So, "not sticking to the topic" or not being "big on reality" doesn't really describe me.

Please, put down the mirror before you start typing a response. I can honestly say, I am NOT one of the voices in your head, it's just an echo!

[MagsDem]

85. Well at least you finally admit it

Sorry you wasted so many posts making an irrelevant point about laws against religious bias when the topic is racial bias. But please, don't blame that on me. What was your point anyway? You don't think Obama can even win in the blue states because of religious bias against his muslim heritage? I wouldn't go that far. My point, which you seem unable to follow is pretty clear .... I think it's a joke to claim we have a 50 state strategy, and then nominate a guy that can't win a single red state because of racial bias. It exists, like it or not.

Really, you lost the whole topic of this thread from your very first post. Give it up already.

[donheld]

92. MagsDem I feel very sorry for you

You seem to be filled with so much hate that it's scary. It's really quite sad. I can only hope someday soon you find a way to put a little love in your heart, or at least your posts.

[MagsDem]

100. Oh I can relate

It's exactly how I felt about Obama when he gave a complete homophobe the stage for 30 minutes and let him rant about gays and lesbians going to hell. Shades of Jerry Falwell in our very own party. I had the same feeling when the vast majority at DU scapegoated the GLBT community when we lost in 2004 instead of taking responsibility for nominating a completely unelectable MA liberal.

And I think it's really quite sad to watch Obama supporters that have made a career out of splitting the party in two by posting Hillary hate for 6 months now. And I was an Edwards supporter. I treat them like rethugs because they act like them.

[Behind the Aegis]

96. Really, get thee to a nunnery...er...library.

If you go to a library you may understand that statement.

Face it, you have NO point. You have changed the goal-posts so often you can't even remember where the fucking football field is.

Racial bias exists, never denied it. I just think it is stupid to say don't nominate someone because bigots exist. I don't pander to bigots.

[MagsDem]

105. You prefer to pander to homophobes?

We know Obama does. That's not actually debatable, is it? I don't see any other candidate pandering to bigotry. Just him. Another reason why I won't support him.

But of course I still have to endure your ill-informed lectures about disgusting bigotry. If you were really disgusted by bigotry and didn't want to "pander" to it you'd speak out about the one candidate that supported it.

On the other hand, some of us would like an electable candidate. And that makes us racist? How else do you explain this incredibly ignorant comment of yours?

"What is shameful is to this activity here. It has been absolutely disgusting, some of the posts. Bigotry is alive and well, even among the self-proclaimed liberals/democrats/progressives."

[Melinda]

77. Actually this thread is about all bias, period. Xenophobes are biased toward anyone they perceive..

as different from themselves, and that includes religion.

[MagsDem]

80. Nice try to help her out, but no, it's about racial bias

At least the post she is responding to of mine certainly is. Would have been better if she'd read it for comprehension first, but oh well.

[Melinda]

83. The OP Begs to differ:

This next 8 months the Right-Wing will do their best to bring out the ugliest, darkest, most embarassing forces and elements in our society. Sexism, racism, xenophobia.

Have a good morning.

[Behind the Aegis]

84. Thanks.

But, I think the poster to whom you are responding is just further showing reading comprhension is not her strong suit.

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[Melinda]

87. lol, I noticed that too.

"too". ;)

G'morning.

[Behind the Aegis]

90. Good day to you, too.

Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with people thinking I am a woman. I just want them to know I have a HUGE clitoris. :)

[Melinda]

94. Lol, and I just got this new flat screen monitor!!

Oh dear, I've coffee everywhere... I'm laughing so loud I'm concerned I may wake the family, LOL!!!

Thanks for the mess!! :evilgrin: :pals:

[MagsDem]

97. LOL -- I have to research the profile of every poster now?

Trust me, you're just not that important to justify making the effort. Especially when you make ignorant comments like recognizing that racism exists in the red states makes progressives and dems racist. Geezus god, if you ever had actually taken a diversity class you would know what a completely ignorant statement that is.

[Behind the Aegis]

98. If you had taken a reading comprehension class you'd know...

...I never said anything resembling; "...racism exists in the red states makes progressives and dems racist." It would be an ignorant statement...if only I had said it and not had it said for me by someone that can't understand basic English.

[MagsDem]

104. Let's review your post.....

"What is shameful is to this activity here. It has been absolutely disgusting, some of the posts. Bigotry is alive and well, even among the self-proclaimed liberals/democrats/progressives."

Perhaps you'd like to clarify or backtrack.

[MagsDem]

91. Your buddy claims its the progressives and dems

It's a cute trick to try to claim it's racist to acknowledge that nominating a black guy is hardly a 50 state strategy. But it's bullshit. It's about as much a fifty state strategy as nominating a MA liberal. Only difference is no one claimed you were a racist, a sexist, or a xenophobe for making that point.

So what wouldn't be racist? If we pretended that racism didn't exist? What say you Ms Diversity training? Is that what they teach you in diversity class? Sorry, but you people can't make a straight argument here.

[Melinda]

99. Mags: listen carefully, please. I'm not "Ms. Diversity training" - that's a different poster

You seem very angry this morning, so angry that your ability to discern between posters and their posts, and to properly assess and respond to those posts is clouded.

It's a new day. Why not push away from your computer and get some fresh air.. stretch your limbs, meditate, and release the negative energy you seem to be harboring.

No one here is your enemy.

And aegis and I have just met, so we are not yet buddies. He appears to have a wicked sense of humor though, so we may yet become friends... and if so, we can say we owe it all to you.

I wish you peace, Mags.

[MagsDem]

102. Read the header

The post is a response to you. I reference your buddy in it. That does not mean the post was a response to Aegis. I really give up on any of your abilities to read and follow a thread. It seems to be over your head.

And I would beg to disagree about enemies. Obama supporters have done more to tear down this party than anything I have seen in 29 yrs as a democrat. It's beyond disgusting as far as I am concerned. When you stoop to claiming the average dem or progressive is a racist merely because they recognize that racism does exist in this country, then you're not a friend of dems or progressives. And by the way, neither is a candidate that gives a homophobe like McClurkin a stage for 30 minutes to spew hatred against the GLBT community when he knew good and well that was what he was going to do.

It's like up is down and black is white if you can take the most bigoted candidate in this race and claim that not supporting him is racist. It's complete bullshit. And it makes me ashamed I have spent 29 supporting this party.

[donheld]

43. Of those 45 states you say have hate crimes laws

Which ones include "Sexual Orientation?"

[Behind the Aegis]

47. 32.

[donheld]

61. Per ADL it's only 24

http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/provisions.asp

[Behind the Aegis]

62. That's from 1999.

Try this: http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/state_hate_crime_laws.pdf

[Window]

52. That is not only childish, it's insulting.

Accusing people of wearing "rose colored glasses," simply because they don't support Hillary. That's just stupid and demeaning.

I give less than damn if you don't vote for Obama if he wins the nomination, but stop insulting people. Damn.

I would never pick a candidate just because he's black, no more than I would pick a candidate just because she's a woman.

I am a Black 64 year-old mother, grandmother and great-grandmother with the good sense to pick the candidate of my choice, while considering my family's future. I am really, really am sick of being called a bunch of juvenile names. Grow the hell up, and if you are grown, act your age.

[Behind the Aegis]

54. The really funny thing...

...I have never said, in this thread or at DU, who I support. Amazingly, the person you are replying to probably thinks I am an Obama supporter, but I have never said one way or the other.

[Window]

58. That is funny.

No one is spared from their vitriol.




Peace:thumbsup:

[Wetzelbill]

78. That's interesting

I have never said who I supported out of those two either. I was always a DK supporter, and I preferred Edwards out of the Big Three, but when it quickly became a two person race, I never have stated my support for either one.

[MagsDem]

55. I'm not a Hillary supporter

Other than voting against a candidate that lies. If you can think for yourself, maybe you can be the very first Obama supporter here to explain why you support a guy that rails against PACs while raising millions for his own and spending it to sway super delegate congressional reps for the past two years? Maybe you can be the very first Obama supporter to explain why you support a candidate who attacks the idea of lobbyists donating to campaigns while actively solicting them to bundle money for him and donate to his campaign? Explain all the good sense that leads you to ignore such incredible lies and hypocrisy.

[Window]

63. Yes, I can think for myself.

And myself thinks that I don't have to explain not one damned thing to you. Nor do I feel the need to defend my candidate to you.

You say they are "incredible lies and hypocrisy." I say that, even if true, keeping my grandchildren and great-grandchildren out of a hundred year war, or worse, is far more important to me than how a politician raises his money as long as it's legal.

It is what it is.

[MagsDem]

65. You can't defend his lies

It's really as simple as that. In fact I would lay odds you have never even taken the time to find out if he is telling the truth about much of anything he says. "Even if it's true" tells me you can't think for yourself, and won't even try.

[Window]

68. Yeah. Whatever Mags.

I can't help it, I'm stupid. There. Happy now.

You have nothing to say of any importance to me, so don't waste anymore of your time. I'm certainly not going to waste anymore of my time going back and forth with a broken record.

Oh, and your insults, you know where you can stick them.

[MagsDem]

72. I'm not really saying it to you

You responded to my post, remember?

I was just pointing out that all these people that claim they can think for themselves haven't demonstrated that. Like most Obama supporters you take what the media tells you (kind of like people did with George Bush) and you believe it. Even when it isn't true. That might be YOUR definiton of thinking for yourself, but it's not the actual definition of thinking for yourself.

[Wetzelbill]

18. yikes no kidding

Wow, you hit that dead on.

[Binka]

11. Any FuckTard Who Doesn't Understand Respecting Another Culture Is Fucking BatShit

Acting like a Statesman and respecting another culture is a sign of class. Fuck the Neanderthals. If they don't get it too fucking bad. Fuck them and their ignorance. The USA is moving beyond them and their toenail eating bullshit.

[MagsDem]

17. Well welcome to Amerika

How many DECADES ago did the UK elect a woman? Yes, the red states are all full of fucktards. And yes, too fucking bad if we have President McCain. Whoops, what happened to that 50 state strategy???

[Window]

56. Right on Binka.

Peace:thumbsup:

[timtom]

28. And to help keep things in perspective

(I know...this is not a popular site here at DU, but the photos halfway down the page certainly keep things in perspective.)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

Give a look. It is hilarious.

[Behind the Aegis]

33. There is a reason that site is not popular here.

Generally, most people don't like anti-Semitic sites. Well, at least those of us uppity Jews who don't like being blamed for everything. BTW...a link to this would have been more acceptable....http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4771402

[timtom]

70. Thanks.

Wish I'd seen that earlier.

[akbacchus_BC]

31. And I do not really thinks us Obama supporter care, but if you wish

to back a loser party, then kudos to you! All these threats and too bad none of the candidates here to see it, only their supporters. So do what your heart tells you. I do not give a shit, a little mind has to come on here purporting to be backing a candidate!

[Wetzelbill]

39. did you even read the op

Because you might not want to be accusing somebody of having a little mind if you didn't even read what they wrote.

[Behind the Aegis]

41. Reading comprehension seems to be a lost art!

[Wetzelbill]

44. or something like that

:)

I remember once somebody posted an article from The Onion, about Bush telling some small country to "Bring It On" and judging by the subject headline you would have thought Bush threatened to bomb some country. Well, given this administration's idiocy it's definitely plausible, but then the article went on to be a pretty hilarious comedic riff about Bush being insane enough to bomb some other country. But people just read the subject and were posting on it. You could tell the ones that just saw the headline, because they totally went off on rants. It was great. :)

[Name removed]

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[Wetzelbill]

79. actually I'm not.

And chances are you didn't even read the post, otherwise you'd have never said that, and you know, if you went back and did it, you'd be feeling like an idiot, so good luck with that.

[Wetzelbill]

82. See this is a good exercise in finding out whether people actually read or not

or if they have any reading comprehension skills at all.

[Melinda]

86. lol, as evident throughout your topic... good job ;)

Kind of answers Bush's question "Is our children earning?", eh?

Have a good morning.

[Wetzelbill]

89. that Bush quote is a classic

Oh man, it would really be funny if he wasn't in the WH wreaking havoc on our lives and the whole world for all these years. :)

You have a good morning too! :)

[Behind the Aegis]

88. Ya think?

This thread has shown the great lengths some will go to show just what kind of bigot they really are, as well as not understanding how to read something, comprehend it, and make a cognizant rebuttal.

But, admit it, you have enjoyed this to the hilt. :P

(edit: Damn it, I used the wrong "P" to make a smiley!)

[Wetzelbill]

95. I am sneaky like that

I like finding out things about people, because I believe that RWers do not have any sense of shame or irony, and that's why they don't do something like satire well, for example. I think this is mostly due to their own certitude, close-mindedness and unwillingness to compromise. They don't get shame or irony because they just cannot move on in the face of facts or anything that is deemed as an attack on their own certitude. They cannot be wrong no matter what and they will not be laughed at no matter what. So I like to make posts that could be sarcastic, but leave out a sarcasm smiley, and then see how people react. You'll find trolls are attracted to those threads like magnets, or people who may be mostly liberal, but have some kind of deep-seated issues. Sometimes, so people feel so strongly about a topic, it doesn't matter what you say or do, they will take it in a negative light. That happens a lot on these threads too. :)

[Perry Logan]

93. Is there anything sillier than politics?

[Wetzelbill]

101. no there isn't

Nothing will make you lose more faith in the system than to see a bunch of adults who are supposed to be running our country act like children. Over any little thing. Like the Al Gore inventing the internet bullshit, or the Obama not wearing a lapel pin, or Hillary shedding a tear or whatever. Silly people with overinflated egos. A guy like O'Reilly could never make it in any other business, nor could somebody like Glenn Beck, but in the political arena these clowns get showcased. That's how immature politics has become. Or like Jack Kingston. The louder and dumber you sound the more people notice and your career is better for it.

[bklyncowgirl]

103. The sad thing is that there people succeed in politics for a reason

There is an audience out there for their views. They may be a complete disaster at anything else. They probably couldn't make it through a day working at Burger King or Home Depot but they know how to sling their shit and that theire are people out there who will not only eat it but call them the most brilliant people on the face of the planet.

Hell, just watch your average thread in this forum. Supposedly intelligent progressives launching sheer venom, childishness (I will never vote for _______) and a grasping at the tiniest of straws to attack a candidate of the same party who differs from your own on the issues only by the simmest of margins.

Yup the politicians lead the way but if they couldn't count on the voters to follow like lemmings, they would not use this sort of tactics.

[Wetzelbill]

106. yeah I can't disagree with any of that

I wish I could but, you have it dead on.

I expect people to say ignorant things, that doesn't surprise me at all. Like people in my daily life etc. But here on DU, I have seen people who are otherwise very intelligent posters, get involved in childish battles or spew venom etc. Over, like you said, the slimmest of margins. I don't think I have ever gotten totally used to that.

[bklyncowgirl]

107. I've never been able to wrap my heart and soul up in a political candidate.

In a way I kind of envy them the feeling of being totally wrapped up in a campaign and in love with my candidate to the point where I see the opposing candidate as the source of all evil in the world.

I've just never been able to do that. Politicians, even the best of them are human which means that they are going to make mistakes and they are going to disappoint you. With a few exceptions, George W. Bush being one example, most are a mix of good and bad.

The problem is this rabid partisanship especially within a political party is poisonous. I might as well sit here yelling at the wind to stop blowing. It's not going to change.