HRC isn't "losing it", she's just losing

[bigbrother05]

She was all business-like and "one party" until Iowa. Ever since then her campaign has tried out one different tactic after another. It probably doesn't help to have so many egos in her war room jousting for Her Ladyship's favor, but it has been a herky jerky ride for the folks that really want to see her succeed. With the way the campaign has spun the wheel on strategy, it's no wonder her supporters on DU appear rudderless.

Without a cogent message from HQ, Clinton supporters are left to espouse their own version of things. Just hope it doesn't get anymore "Lord of the Flies" around here before the campaign finds its true voice.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Very good points--I can't imagine being a supporter and not knowing

how to interpret or defend the decisions her campaign has made. Obama's message is coherent, his strategy simple: espouse hope, change, and unity, offer solid plans and policies, and fight in every state. That's it. Everything he's done and said relates to his message and his strategy. I don't think she can "find her voice" again--she's tried on too many, it's too late to come up with a totally new message and strategy.

[bigbrother05]

2. Does anyone even know what Rich Little sounds like?

:rofl:

[Barack_America]

3. The obsession with polls damned her campaign.

She has changed personas and tactics at the whim of Penn's most recent polling. That is what cost her the election. She didn't have confidence in how she wanted to present herself and where she wanted to take this country. If she did, she certainly wasn't encouraged to communicate it. Instead, she allowed her image to be crafted by a man (Penn) who obviously has no intuitive comprehension of who Democrats are. All he understands are the numbers, but you can't take numbers and craft a candidate that voters relate to on an emotional level.

Obama's campaign, well, they did the exact opposite of this and, hence, got the exact opposite result.

[bigbrother05]

4. Spot on, HRC thought it was her turn and went looking for a message

BHO looked at the country's situation and knew he couldn't wait his "turn", the country was ready for/needed his message.

Edwards was my first choice, Obama earned my vote.

[Barack_America]

10. Edwards also had a very set message and direction.

I think that Obama learned a lot from him. And it hasn't surprised me at all to see so many Edwards supporters realign with Obama.

[madrchsod]

5. penn is a man that will sell anyone what they want to hear.

it`s his stock and trade...make up a target audience and then sell it to the highest bidder. his latest book is a perfect example of packaging utter nonsense in to a viable product.

[bigbrother05]

6. He's expensive, so he must be good

of course his corporate clients can just take it as a tax credit, so everyone comes out ahead.

:sarcasm:

[Yurovsky]

11. Kinda hard to slam corporate CEO greed ...

when you pay one of your staff MILLIONS for doing a shit job, and ask some of your "underlings" to go w/o pay.

[grantcart]

9. you got it 100% if they had just fired all of the consultants

and went with a minimialist campaign instead of a coronation she would be our nominee and a guy name Obama would be the VP

[Barack_America]

12. Exactly, which is why I don't feel so badly about the course of events...

They went with a campaign that underestimated the American people and marginalized grassroots efforts. As a Dem, I have a hard time sympathizing with a campaign like that.

[jazzjunkysue]

7. Lol! n/t.

[Recursion]

8. It's the (lack of) narrative, stupid

(Just an old phrase; I'm not calling you stupid.)

The Clinton campaign never, as far as I saw, crafted a narrative concerning why she should be the next President. A mile-long list of issues doesn't do it. The closest they came was the "inevitability" argument early on: "Here is your next President". That can work if nobody knocks you off course, but she was knocked off course.

Where's the narrative? Where's the large-scale explanation of why she, as opposed to someone else, should be entrusted with this job?

[Barack_America]

13. The most I ever got was "because I'm related to the last decent President we had"

:shrug:

Sorry, but for me that's simply not enough.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. I Actually Feel Kinda Bad For Her.

At the end of the day, I think she makes a better President than Obama. But she doesn't stand a chance. His popularity has reached levels of a phenomenon and it's basically unstoppable right now no matter WHICH tactic she employs. And it's a shame. I say that because though I like Obama a lot, and though I think he'll make a really great President, I'm also grounded in reality enough to know that he is being treated and raised up far more than he's technically earned. It's taken a life of it's own, and it's bigger than even he is when it comes down to it. That isn't a knock on him either. He's really good, and I'm quite proud of him. In fact, I'm watching him on CSPAN right now and he inspires me. But there's no way he's as good as his momentum in real life, but sometimes that's just how things go. So I feel quite bad for Hillary, because no matter how good she is, no matter what strategy she employs, no matter how much distinction she tries to make to show she WOULD make the better president, it's all moot. She just can't match the almost surreal mystique around Obama right now. Just goes to show that anything can happen in politics, even when it defies reason.

[bigbrother05]

16. Again it comes back to message, not resume

Obama realized where our country was at and where it wanted to go. We've already crossed the bridge to the 21st century and even though the first 7 years have sucked, we can't turn back the clock. Think Clinton was counting on folks wanting to get back those lost years, but the people have woken up and they want to move forward. That fits Obama's message.

It's not just him, America has always had the Audacity to Hope.

[C_U_L8R]

15. it was hers to lose

and she did

yes kinda sad

[bigbrother05]

17. Kind of ironic, HRC the Michigan of the 08 primaries

Sorry for the football reference, but stumbled in the first game and never really got back in it.

[C_U_L8R]

18. Or the Patriots for that matter

a total choke at the end by a presumptive champion.