3 Days left, Kerry $4.6 million short....

[Nazgul35]

give if you haven't given yet....

here's the link:

https://contribute2.johnkerry.com/contribute.html?team=195

Think what the media will do if he doesn't meet the challenge, don't give them anything to work with folks....

Look under your cushions!!!!!

[Melinda]

1. I can't pay my bills now and am in danger of losing my home,

while Senator Kerry need never worry about being homeless. I'll vote for him, but that's all I can and will do.

[flaminbats]

25. same here...

I would of given more to Kucinich during the primaries, if I wasn't constantly in danger of losing my internet connection...I could be a very rich person if not for my overpriced phone service. :smoke:

[Hav]

2. .

Look. it's Clark today!
Isn't that a reason to donate some bucks? :)

http://www.johnkerry.com/

I assume that most people here already know about that fundraise.
You all should contact friends and relatives who might not know but who are willing to donate.

[ps1074]

6. It's gonna be Dean on Thursday

eom

[Sagan]

3. gave my $100

And will give $200 more after the convention.

[cally]

4. Kerry will not be able to accept funds after the convention

Once he accepts Federal funds then he can't accept private funds. Donate what you can and decide to before the convention.

[Sagan]

5. I thought he wasn't going to accept federal funding limits..

Or is that something different?

[cally]

7. He didn't accept funding limits for the Primary

but everyone expects that he will accept federal funding for the General Election. Both Bush and Kerry will probably accept federal funds so they'll each get about $75 million in federal funds. Once you get those funds, you cannot accept private funds or spend them.

[Sagan]

8. point taken. I will make sure I donate the rest before then...nt

nt

[Nazgul35]

10. Untrue...

he can accept funds at all times....the restriction is on spending caps, if he chooses to take matching funds...

I am sure that will depend on how much Bush has left over by July...and how much he is able to raise...

[cally]

11. Then we need some clarification

I heard directly from the Kerry campaign on what to tell donors. I was given a memo with this info. You have to give before the convention. Where did you get your info.

[Nazgul35]

13. The FEC...

here is the full outline of the facts:

http://www.fec.gov/info/pfund.htm

The Presidential nominee of each major party may become eligible for a public grant of $20 million (plus a cost-of-living adjustment (COLA)) for the general election campaign. In 1992, each major party nominee received $55.24 million. To be eligible, candidates must agree to limit their spending to the amount of the grant and must pledge not to accept private contributions for the campaign.1 Private contributions may, however, be accepted for a special account maintained exclusively to pay for legal and accounting expenses related to complying with campaign finance law. These legal and accounting expenses are not subject to the expenditure limit.2 In addition, candidates may spend up to $50,000 of their own money on the campaign.3 Such spending does not count against the expenditure limit.

--snip--

Supplemental Spending

Major party nominees who accept a public grant for the general election campaign may not supplement that grant with private funds. Instead, they must limit their campaign spending to the amount of the entitlement.20 That does not mean, however, that private funds have been totally excluded from the general election campaign process. In fact, the statute specifically permits some types of private spending, which may supplement the general election grants.

Political parties, for example, may spend money to support a Presidential candidate. National party committees may make "coordinated expenditures" to support their nominee. These expenditures may be made in consultation with the candidate's campaign.21 The funds used must have been raised under the limits and prohibitions of federal law.

Another statutory provision permits corporations and labor unions (both of which are prohibited from making contributions or expenditures in connection with federal elections) to encourage their executives, administrative personnel and/or members to support particular candidates.22 These so-called "partisan communications" may be financed with corporate or labor treasury funds.

The statute also permits unlimited "independent expenditures" to support or oppose particular candidates. In order to qualify as an "independent expenditure," the funds must be spent "without cooperation or consultation with. . .or at the request or suggestion of any candidate. . .or agent of such candidate."23 The funds expended must not be from prohibited sources, such as corporations or labor unions.24

Some observers have criticized this supplemental spending. Although it is legal, these critics contend that it compromises the statute's expenditure limits. The Commission, itself, held a similar view regarding independent expenditures that political committees made to support publicly funded Presidential candidates. It believed that 26 U.S.C. Sec.9012(f) limited these expenditures to $1,000. The Commission defended this limit against a number of legal challenges, arguing that without it, independent groups could effectively render the expenditure limits meaningless by spending large amounts to support publicly funded candidates. In 1985, however, the Supreme Court declared the limit unconstitutional.25

Despite the criticism leveled against supplemental private spending, it is clear that Congress intended to offer some limited means by which citizens could become involved in Presidential campaigns. As a result, independent expenditures, partisan communications, coordinated party expenditures and other types of private spending26 are specifically sanctioned by the statute, and are subject to its reporting requirements and other restrictions.


Your were right! While the campaign may not accept funds directly, however, there are alternative funding choices....

make sure you let people know that...don't just say they can't give moeny, let them know where they should give it...

Also, if Kerry was smart, he wouldn't accept the grant....

[cally]

16. Thanks for checking

So you can give to the party later but not to Kerry.

[Larkspur]

54. Not true.

After the Convention marks the true beginning of the General Election campaign. Right now we're still in the Primary Election Campaign cycle, so if you have given $2,000 to Kerry already, you can't give any more, but after the Convention, you can give up to another $2,000.

[jpgray]

9. I'll give another $50 when I get paid

Don't go broke over this, but if you can skip that daily Starbucks or eat out one night a week less, that will make a world of difference.

[Nicholas_J]

12. Yes

I tried to convince people at meet ups to buy something cheaper than they would like, and put the differnce together into a money order to send to the Kerry campaign in the name of the group. Some people just wont do without their decaf latte and just have a plain decaf.

[revcarol]

14. What a bizzarro world you live in.

"skip the daily Starbucks" and "eat out one night a week less?"

Gotta be kidding. Unemployment and reasonable fear of unemployment are rampant at DU.One meal out per month for a family of four would probably mean doing without three meals for a family of four. No daily Starbucks when you're tring to find enough money to send out the 101st and 102nd resume.

Get a life.

[TheDonkey]

15. Not everyone is the same

I'm sure there are people who just don't have the disposable cash to give out.

But don't be fooled others do. I like Starbucks and eating out, if I could skip the Red Lobster and go to Wendy's some day during the week I could save at least $10 for Kerry. I'm sure there are other people who could do the same in DU.

[Alenne]

17. If you can is what he said

don't go broke was the other part of that statement.

[jpgray]

28. I think you're trying to argue with someone who isn't here

But for people who are doing well, sacrificing a little each week can help. You need to get hold of yourself, and stop seeing insults and generalizations where they don't exist. I can't afford to either drink at Starbucks or go out for dinner, and I resent the implications of your post. Get some rest, take a walk, just come back with a cooler head and a desire to understand a post here before you label it. :hi:

[Zynx]

18. We'll hit our goal without any difficulty.

If we are only $800,000 off pace in the middle of the drive, considering how it picks up towards the end, we will do fine.

[Nazgul35]

19. $6.1 million as of 9pm...

that's $1.5 million raised today...are they adding in any other funds?

[Zynx]

21. Clark is one hell of a fundraiser. I think it helped Kerry.

[YIMA]

20. Give.

I'm trying to see what I can scrounge up. Every bit helps.

[Kathleen04]

22. It'll probably speed up in its closing day

cause everyone who hasn't will chip in to try to push us to goal.

[Shaun]

23. Sure, it's like every PBS or NPR pledge break you've ever seen...

People who know they're going to give wait days to do it. Some kind of psychological quirk, I suppose.

I tout the drive on my blog, and started making small contributions last fall, but I certainly get being too broke to do a lot. Still, even $5 or $10 can actually make difference in the long run, and most all of us could actually do that, I imagine.

[Shaun]

24. hmmm...

Seem to have screwed up on my sig...gotta go fix that.

[Robb]

32. Hi Shaun!

Sig line looks good from here... and welcome to DU! :)

[newyawker99]

38. Hi Shaun!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[jenk]

26. good news, up to 6.3 mil

[Adelante]

27. It's been stuck there since 11:15

I thought we would see it end up at midnight.

[Hav]

29. .

So it's 3.64 left and 3 days to go!
Thx General and all those who donated, that was some nice boost.

[Hav]

37. Make that 3.32 millions to go

[CWebster]

30. Forget it

further down in this forum is a thread containing some snide remarks Kerry had for Chavez.

The obscenely upper class, privileged prep boy botuxed Forbes, skull and bonesman who only marries trustfund heiresses and plays on the slopes while the Middle-East explodes and soldiers die wants my paltry nickles and dimes? Here's my .02.

[Hav]

31. cry me a river

I think in that case the campaign will have to do without your 2 cents :(.

Btw, nice how you combined all the rightwing talking points and attacks in one sentence.

[CWebster]

33. Yeah, I'll bet the Right-wing is complaining

all about Kerry's statements about Chavez. Barely any light between them at all. If Kerry is pandering for votes--he isn't earning mine. Don't want my money---don't want my vote? Fine.

[Hav]

34. "Vote as you please. Spare us the bullshit."

[CWebster]

35. So, according to you, the "bullshit" part

must be any discussion or debate which is not in accordance with what you advocate?

Lets see, I am posting at a debate-discussion site and your rebuttal is a blanket charge of "bullshit"? And don't think I am not conscious of the attempt to speak for the majority-or in any case, the mob, with the authority of "we" in order to isolate and marginalize those who won't goosestep down the threads.

[Hav]

36. Oh, don't play the victim!

You can vote and give money for whoever you wish.
The bullshit part is this:

"The obscenely upper class, privileged prep boy botuxed Forbes, skull and bonesman who only marries trustfund heiresses and plays on the slopes while the Middle-East explodes and soldiers die wants my paltry nickles and dimes?"

These are some intelligent points in a civilised discussion, indeed.
This has nothing to do with "goosestepping", you poor "victim", but it has to do with insulting Democrats.
When you use insults, don't act like you are the victim when you are getting called on it.

[CWebster]

39. "victim" now, huh?

i suppose that anyone who would think to complain about some of the realities of Smirk would be called a "victim" too, huh?

As for the post--this thread is an entreaty to contribute--so I suggest you get back on your horse, partner.

[Hav]

40. Oh boy, try to read carefully and try to remember what you yourself wrote.

And get your stuff straight, it's the second time you get it wrong.

No, I claimed that you pretended to be the "victim" because you think this is about shutting up the "minority" or making everybody cheer for Kerry after you jumped into that thread with insults.
I have no problem when you strongly support another candidate and when your criticism of Kerry is warranted.
But you started with the insults and rightwing talking points instead of being interested in a civil discussion. That alone is the reason I replied.
Take responsibility for your posts and don't play the victim now, it's ridiculous.

So again, your insults and rightwing talking points were bs.
Victim = you pretending that the "minority" is forced to shut up and forced to conform when you started the insults.


"As for the post--this thread is an entreaty to contribute--so I suggest you get back on your horse, partner."

Huge irony alert.
I agree but don't be so confused to forget that you hijacked that thread with your insults, buddy.
Think before you post things like that next time.

[Name removed]

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[sugarcookie]

41. What is the .00 amount for

the supporters of various ex candidates? IIRC there was a post here that said Clark, Dean, Edwards supporters could distinguish their donations by entering a certain amount in the cent value.

[Larkspur]

42. OK, here's my contribution

Sen. Kerry, how come when Bush attacks you, you go skiing?

I'm sure the bank can give you another loan on your mansion that you can't afford, just like the one you have now. What legislation did you agree to sponsor for the bank that you are not telling us?

[Hav]

43. oh shit, he went skiing!

I hope that someone will send a contribution on behalf of you, just out of spite :).

[mobuto]

44. How come Senator Kerry

you're being outspent 50 to 1 and you're still tied or leading in every poll? I just sent an extra $100 to John Kerry in your honor.

[Hav]

46. haha good

Thx.
Someone else who wants to send a small contribution on behalf of Larkspur? ;)

[Larkspur]

47. If it sends you into bankruptcy, then I'm grateful I was a help to you

so I'll keep posting my posts.

"But the Kerry campaign is not intimidated by Bush's war chest, said Kathy Roeder, his spokeswoman.

Referring to former Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean's record-setting fund-raising among Democrats, she said, "The primary already shows that you can't buy an election."
http://www.cleveland.com/election/index.ss...07042270670.xml

Sounds like Kerry doesn't need the money.

[Larkspur]

49. They probably should send more since I got a letter from Kerry

begging for my dollars.

I plan on sending him his spokeswoman's words, no money, and no stamp on the envelope. Kerry can pay the USPS.

[Hav]

50. .

Do whatever you want to do but spare us the bullshit.

If you want to work against Kerry, you can choose it on a board where they welcome such a behaviour.
Are you only here to disrupt?

[sangh0]

51. I'll send him another $100

but only because he doesn't need it. I hope he spends it on chapstick

[Larkspur]

53. Better send him some more

cause every letter I get from Kerry will be returned and Kerry's campaign will pay for the stamp.

[Hav]

55. Be honest

You aren't really a Democrat are you?
You do know that you post here on Democratic Underground, don't you?
Making clear on a democratic board that you are working against Kerry isn't the smartest thing you could do.
Hmm..

[Larkspur]

56. Yep, I'm a Democrat and am on my town's Dem Town Committee but

I'm not a robot and just because I'll vote for Kerry in November doesn't mean I have to like him or finance his campaign.

Anyway, my posts seem to be helping Kerry, so why are you interfering?

[Hav]

57. With Dems like you, Ma'am...

No one forces you to finance his campaign but you shouldn't expect to get away with actively working against the Kerry campaign on a democratic board.

[Larkspur]

58. I don't have to work against the Kerry campaign

when his spokeswoman, Kathy Roeder, does it for me.

[Hav]

59. You are a liar, Ma'am.

She only stated that you can't buy an election which is true.
Dean was used as an example. Instead of you, I hope that Bush will prove her clam right again.


"Better send him some more

cause every letter I get from Kerry will be returned and Kerry's campaign will pay for the stamp."

That is working against the Kerry campaign. Stop lying, you are so bad at it.

[Larkspur]

60. I haven't sent the letter yet. I just got it yesterday.

I've got so many responses to choose from to reply to it that it's delaying my mailing of it. When I do send it then you can call me a liar and I'll accept that as a compliment.

[Hav]

62. .

Like I said, you are working against the Dems.

I wonder whether they know in your committee that you working for the Republicans.

Seeing your nature, I must agree that calling you a liar would be a compliment.

[Larkspur]

61. And since Kerry will end up using campaign contributions to pay

off his mortgage to his mansion, I don't have a problem with not putting stamps on the Kerry campaign return envelopes. I have no intention of helping him pay off that mortgage. But others can. As PT Branum said, "A sucker is born every minute."

[Nazgul35]

48. Wow.....go away for half a day

and my thread which has 20 posts doubles in no time....

by the way...as of 3pm we are at $7.1 million

[Hav]

52. fine

There are actually some Dems working to get Bush our of office instead of some other "Dems" who continue to whine and who want to help Bush winning.