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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:16 PM
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Kerry 1971 War testimony on CSPAN tonight.
What is the point in playing this?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:19 PM
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1. Watch and see
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 05:22 PM by bigtree
One quote from the testimony:

"How do you ask a man to be the last man die for his country? How do you ask a man to be the last man die for a mistake?"

http://www.cspan.org

http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:23 PM
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3. I don't see how
this helps Kerry at all.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:31 PM
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4. How so?
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:50 PM
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6. He served his country, with courage and honor, and
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 05:55 PM by lectrobyte
then stood up for what he believed in. It's a legitimate question, then and now. Maybe even especially more so, now.

God damn, pardon my language, what I wouldn't give for someone to ask Bush how can you ask someone to be that last one to die for a lie when we pull the troops out of Iraq this June or whatever it is.

Edit: I think I responded to the wrong message, I meant to answer the "how does this help" question.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 06:04 PM
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7. I agree
and yes, you responded to the wrong post. I'm on your side.

Viet Nam was a screwed up time for our country, no?

I heard Neil Young on NPR yesterday saying that our current times are the most fertile for protest since the 60's.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:36 PM
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5. Its one of the great speeches
of American history.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 06:27 PM
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8. I get chills when I see him standing up back then
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 06:28 PM by bigtree
Never before has the country been this close to accepting the Vietnam generation that was characterized, rightly or wrongly, by support or opposition to that war. Modern activism against the government began with activism against that war and also with activism against Nixon and Agnew. The cultural war was born in the face of Nixons attacks on dissenters and their attacks on the 'establishment'. It is exciting to see a representative of that generation who strongly resisted the 'establishment's' ambitions in Vietnam and resisted their assaults on dissent, achieve a position of ultimate responsibility.

Talkin' 'bout my generation.

Nixon targeted Kerry for anti-war views
White House tapes reveal then-president’s attempt to discredit Kerry during 1971 war protests, Senate testimony
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4534274


The Nixon administration went to court to block the 1,200 veterans from camping out on the Mall during their protest, but Kerry and his group stayed put. The reaction from Nixon’s inner circle was real contempt for the veterans. In private conversations inside the White House, Nixon called them “horrible” and “bastards,” H.R. "Bob" Haldeman described the veterans as “ratty-looking,” and Henry Kissinger dismissed them as “inarticulate.”

But John Kerry was just the opposite — presentable, politically astute and very articulate. He appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to testify against the war, critical of the President’s Vietnam policy. “Someone has to die,” Kerry told the committee, “so that President Nixon won’t be, and these are his words, ‘the first President to lose a war.’”

"Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?


— President Richard Nixon, May, 1971
Speaking with aide Charles Colson about John Kerry


Kerry also questioned the administration’s strategy of gradual “Vietnamization” of the war — pulling out U.S. ground troops, and turning the war over to the South Vietnamese military. “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam?” Kerry demanded. “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

White House attention
Kerry's testimony reached a national audience, including, we now know from once-secret White House tapes, the president himself, who brought it up with his chief of staff Bob Haldeman.

Extended excerpts from the Nixon White House tapes recorded on April 23, 1971, the day after Kerry’s Senate testimony:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4534613/


Excerpts from Nixon White House tapes
Conversations reveal Nixon's desire to discredit John Kerry in 1971NBC News
Updated: 5:57 p.m. ET March 15, 2004April 23, 1971: Oval Office meeting with Haldeman, Kissinger
President: Apparently, this fellow, uh, that they put in the front row, is that what you say, the front the real stars? Kerry.
Haldeman: Kerry. He is, he did a hell of a great job on the, uh --
President: He was extremely effective.
Haldeman: he did a superb job on it at Foreign Relations Committee yesterday. A Kennedy-type guy - he looks like a Kennedy and he, and he talks exactly like a Kennedy.
Kissinger : .
President: Where did he serve?
Haldeman: He was a Navy lieutenant, jg., on a gunboat.

Haldeman: He was only over there for, I thinks it's four months or five months.
President: Bob, the Navy didn’t have any casualties in Vietnam except in the air.
Haldeman: Well, this guy got a Purple Heart with two clusters and the Navy Star. He's got a hell of a bundle of lettuce up here.

Kissinger: Well, it, it's an outrage --
Haldeman: No, but he's said some good things.
Kissinger: -- that eight hundred veterans --
President: Yeah.
Kissinger: -- of whom I’m sure a significant percentage are phonies --
President: Yeah.
Kissinger: -- get five minutes on national television every --
President: .
Kissinger: -- night.
Haldeman: Well, they've got about six paraplegics up there with the whole bunch and that's, God, everything ya read would make ya think all those guys out there had no legs.

Haldeman: I think you’ll find Kerry running for political office. I think you’re exactly right, he’s building himself –
Nixon: Is he from Massachusetts?
Haldeman: I don’t know.

April 28, 1971: EOB phone conversation with Charles Colson
Colson: This fellow Kerry that they had on last week --
President: Yeah.
Colson: -- hell, he turns out to be, uh, really quite a phony. You know, we --.
President: Yeah, I know.
Colson: That story we're getting out, that, uh, --
President: Are ya?
Colson: -- TerHorst is writing that for --
President: Good.
Colson: -- North American Newspaper Alliance.
President: Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?
Colson: Well, he stayed, when he was here --
President: Stayed out in Georgetown, yeah.
Colson: -- he stayed in Georgetown with, uh, one of the old-line Washington socialites, Elsie Leiter*, and, uh, was out at the best restaurants every night and, uh --
President: Sure.
Colson: -- you know, he's just, the complete opportunist.
President: A racket, sure.
Colson: He was in Vietnam a total of four months. Uh, he's, he's politically ambitious and just, uh, looking for an issue.
President: Yeah.
Colson: He came back a hawk and became a dove when he saw the political opportunities.
President: Sure, well, anyway, keep the faith.
Colson: We’ll keep hitting him, Mr. President.
Presdent: Bye.
Colson: Yes, sir.

*Note: Kerry says that while he visited the home of TK, he spent every night on the Mall with the other veterans

June 2, 1971: Oval Office meeting with Bob Haldeman
Haldeman: We got these guys now forming this Veterans for a – Peace with Justice, or uh – the veterans –
Nixon: They came in to see me? Are they here?
Haldeman: No we don’t want them to be able to see you yet. We don’t want to –
Nixon: Who are they?
Haldeman: Well, it’s this guy, uh, he’s got a beard, one of ‘em, and there’s this Navy officer , just got out yesterday –
President: Yeah.
Haldeman: -- crew cut, real sharp looking guy who is more articulate than Kerry. He’s not as eloquent; he isn’t the ham that Kerry is. But he’s more believable.

Haldeman: Colson put this together.

Haldeman: This guy now , is gonna, he’s gonna move on Kerry. He’s gonna move around the country.

June 16, 1971: Oval Office meeting with John O’Neill
Nixon: I really feel that what you’re doing, you’ll take brickbats, you go on some of these TV shows like the Cavett thing, you’re gonna get banged, but – you’ll get terribly discouraged and say the whole country’s – and so forth. But I think ya gotta remember, uh, you have to remember, that uh, that uh, now {unintelligible] in Vietnam should be enough, that now you would have the to get back and reassure people that those few that come back – like Kerry and the rest – don’t speak for all.

Nixon: That’s great. Give it to him, give it to him. And you can do it, because you have a pleasant manner, too, because you’ve got – and I think it’s a great service to the country.

Nixon: You fellows have been out there. You’ve got to know, seeing the barbarians that we’re up against, you’ve got to know what we’re doing in that horrible swamp that North Vietnam is. 33:40 You’ve got to know from all our faults of what we have in this country that, that what we’re doing is right. You’ve got to know too, people are critics. Critics of the war, critics of , run America down. Those that are, uh – well in every respect, either get out of Vietnam, get out of , get out of the world, etcetera etcetera. You’ve gotta know that you’re on the winning s—that, that you’re on the right side.




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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:23 PM
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2. Kerry will be on next week, too.
Same bat-time, same bat-channel, but different subject methinks.

I'm going to watch the Bush administration implode on 60 Minutes tonight!
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 06:40 PM
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9. It's on right now 4:37 mountain time 3/21
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