why Hillary is Right to go after Obama

[AGirl]

Clinton's advisers have repeatedly criticized the Obama campaign's health care mailing, which says her plan for universal coverage would "force" everyone to purchase insurance even if they can't afford it. Her plan requires everyone to be covered, but it offers tax credits and other subsidies to make insurance more affordable.


During the Debate in Texas

Obama said "In order for you to force people to get health insurance, you've got to have a very harsh penalty, and Senator Clinton has said that we won't go after their wages. Now, this is a substantive difference."

But Clinton said

"Clinton told Stephanopoulos "there are a number of ways" of getting people to enroll in her universal health care plan. "I think you can automatically enroll people, and you will then say you've got to be part of this."

Clinton said, "we will have an enforcement mechanism -- whether it's that (wage garnishing) or it's some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments."

So Clinton "Might" go after the wages, Obama was misleading the viewers.

Clinton said such measures would apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it, which puts undue pressure on hospitals and emergency rooms. With her proposals for subsidies, she said, "it will be affordable for everyone."


Obama is also misleading the viewers by saying that Clinton's plan will not be affordable when SHe said she would make it affordable to everyone.


So indeed, SHAME ON YOU , Obama.

[sueragingroz]

1. YOU GO GIRL!

It's about freaking time.

She has been holding back on this for the good of party unity. But what he is doing is beneath contempt and holding back on it is no longer good for the party.

[AGirl]

2. I am glad she is fighting back, it's about time!

[rodeodance]

30. you bet--obama has been hitting her for several weeks--glad the gloves are off.

[ErnestoG]

40. She came off looking like an enraged bag lady.

Now go call that sexist.

[kennetha]

44. I'll oblige

Sexist crap

[rodeodance]

45. Nothing to respond to when all you do is name-call.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

58. Rodeodance, You are one of Hillary's biggest supporters. How can you forgive her...

...for voting for the war, and advising our senate to vote for the war?

Hillary's a smart woman, she had to know about PNAC and their plan to go into Iraq and Iran prior to 9-11.

By no means should Hillary become our president.

[amborin]

59. the vote for war

was not to launch a war

it was to give teeth to the UN's inspection program

remember, Hans Blick and his crew could not gain access to many sites....until the threat of war was raised

don't blame Hillary for Bush's lies and deceit

[Just-plain-Kathy]

61. Yes, you could keep on believing that.

At the time many of us didn't realize how connected Bush and Cheney were to defense contractors. But we ALL knew Bush the oil tycoon was going to profit from a war in the Middle East.

The Clintons knew this White House would profit directly from these wars, yet they did very little to investigate. Even now Bill says we should forget about the past and "look forward".

[VolcanoJen]

64. This kind of talk drives me up a tree.

So back during the vote, while we were watching Congress live, and were busy railing against the likes of Hillary Clinton and John Kerry voting for the IWR, you were yelling, "You go, girl!!"???

Revisionist history, pure and simple.

[Thepricebreaker]

55. Hillary will never unify the party.. EVER

Look at the threads...

[yourguide]

3. Pehaps you could ask...

Clinton about her false, 15 million people will be without health care under barack's plan mailer as well?

[jackson_dem]

17. That's accurate, unless you believe the estimates that say the number may be as high as 20 million

;)

[rodeodance]

31. perhaps you better read up on plan before spouting off.

[emilyg]

4. Proud R#5

[OHdem10]

5. Obama, McCain, Boehner,and House GOP, Senate GOP

all agree NO MANDATES on Health Care Insurance.

The GOP use this to block Universal Health Coverage. Is it not
interesting Obama appears to agree with them??

[AX10]

6. HRC is asking people to take responsibility.

She is saying that change will require actual sacrifice, even though she is not asking much.
She asking everyone to pay into the system so that we have healthcare for all.
It is not perfect, but it is a start.
On the other hand, Obama is not asking that of the people. He is talking about change but not asking anyone to do anything more than work for his campaign, at best.

See, that is the popular thing to do. Speak of change, but don't require that we give something into it.

[rodeodance]

32. yes. she has said that several times in her speechs.

[DDQ]

62. Great post AX10 I agree

[earthlover]

7. If you have mandates...then you have to have an enforcement mechanism....

does that mean penalties? garnishing wages? jail time? capital punishment? torture? JUST WHAT?!!!!!

You can talk about mandatory health insurance (which is a far cry from universal health care coverage) until you are blue in the face. But, in the final analysis, it is not mandatory unless you take some folks who did not buy health insurance and punish them for their decision...thus adding to their burden.

I think Obama has a point. Most people who don't have health insurance don't choose that because they think that is the best decision. They choose that because they can't afford it.

Perhaps Obama and Hillary could get together and iron out their differences. Maybe mandatory is ok if the prices are indeed low enough to be affordable. About 95% of their plans are identical, anyway!

I don't think mandate insurance is something that is going to be politically feasable. Going against the Repukes, Obama's plan is far easier to defend. And far easier to actually pass into law. Hillary can talk about mandates, but I seriously doubt they would be passed into law.

[jackson_dem]

18. What enforcement mechanisms will Obama use for his mandates?

He does have a point but the fact is there are many folks eligible for SCHIP and Medicaid who haven't signed up. The other issue is cost. By leaving at least 15 million people out of the system that will raise costs for everyone else by about $1,000. However, I do agree his plan is more politically feasible.

[Control-Z]

23. The fact is

the people that can least afford health insurance are the ones that Obama will put mandates on - Parents with children. So his voluntary insurance benefits a whole lot of people who could afford it but choose to spend their money on more "fun" things.

[rodeodance]

25. Obama has very clearly sai that he would fine parents who do dnot purchase a plan

[Control-Z]

52. Yes, he has made it clear.

So he's arguing against a mandate but is willing to punish one specific group (the one that would include single teenage mothers). Doesn't that seem a little twisted?

[rodeodance]

53. very twisted.

[rodeodance]

36. O. said he would fine parents who do not buy a plan--that is a mandate. He omits

about 15-20 million. guess he does not care about them

[cali]

8. Go Hill!

This is going to blow up in her well made up face, just as it has every other time she's gone negative. I thnk she's subconsciously self-destructive.

[rodeodance]

26. thankyou for your concern

[kennetha]

46. Barack the invincible teflon coated, press coddled phony

Will strike her down if she dares challenge him, eh?

[LadyVT]

9. Go Girl!

[AGirl]

10. You're very welcomed. Just spreading the truths.

[Maribelle]

11. Yes indeed, SHAME ON YOU , Obama!!!!

The free passes Obama has continually received from MSM, Netroots, Obama supporters, and others is beyond logic.

[Bluerthanblue]

27. Hillary can't put shame on anyone but herself- and the sooner

she gets that the better-

I'm sick to death of her scolding- her anger and outrage.

We have had enough of that kind of crap to last us forever.

She cannot control her anger- and that is what is going to destroy her. No one but herself.


Which is incredibly sad- but none the less true.



peace~

[rodeodance]

29. "I'm sick to death of [your] scolding- [your] anger and outrage." Thank you for your consern

[Bluerthanblue]

33. don't like it- put me on ignore- I don't go on national tv and unleash

my pent up rage on Obama for everyone to have to listen to-

Hillary has absolutely NO RIGHT to stand there and act like 'mother superior'- as if she holds the moral center of this world, and I am indeed sick and tired of listening to her- Unfortunately I can't put her on ignore.

no need to thank me for 'my concern' - your sarcasm is not un-noticed, or necessiary.

peace~

[rodeodance]

49. more of same.

[Tatiana]

12. "Shame on you, Obama!" is not going to go over well with the electorate. n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

35. no it isn't- and it shouldn't. eom

[Mike03]

13. K and R for this thoughtful, well-reasoned post

Obama is also going after Hillary Clinton for "voting for" the bankruptcy bill, and that is a prevarication as well.

Just to be forthright, I prefer Obama, but I am really disgusted with the smears against HRC.

Obama is okay; however, the reason I'm ashamed to be among his supporters is because so many of them SUCK.

[AGirl]

14. Thanks, I agree with you about his supporters.

I love Chomsky, btw.

[Johnny__Motown]

15. She said she would make it affordable. SHE LIES CONSTANTLY. Clue In on that

[rodeodance]

34. Obama has used that word lots--thur tax incentives he will make it affordable. They are very

similar.

Stop with telling she is lying and making yourself look foolish

[powergirl]

16. I support Obama - but it's okay to argue about the issues

It would be very Republican of me not to agree that all candidates should be able to have their say about the issues. I support Obama on this issue. It looks like the campaign materials were factual, etc. and the fliers are fair. But Sen. Clinton is entitled to criticize the brochure. But it may draw more attention to her support of NAFTA.

[applegrove]

19. Obama's campaign did the deed. They should have to answer for it.

[frakus6]

20. It's not a crime

To put a chink in St. Obama's armor

[Thrill]

21. If Obama was on TV angry and yelling like that. People would

be saying he can't handle the political pressure. But its a different for Hillary. Right?

[rodeodance]

37. She spoke up for wrong. nothing wrong with that at all.

[ErnestoG]

42. Yeah she spoke wrong, alright.

[rodeodance]

47. Your opine.

[Bluerthanblue]

38. because he is not "Hillary"- you are right.

but the truth in you post isn't.

Double standards are wrong. Your point is important, but missed by most people.


peace~

[zulchzulu]

22. Hillary's healthcare package has mandates...that's not male go-go dancers...

Her mandated healthcare package is DOOMED to die because it fines/penalizes/forces people to get healthcare insurance. This doesn't address the issue of how healthcare insurance has many loopholes and doesn't sincerely address issues of affordability.

She wants the healthcare insurance industry (who gives her lots of money) to act on good faith to make it more affordable... that is a complete joke.

[rodeodance]

39. Obama said insur and Pharm companies will be involved. He will fine parents

who do not buy plans (the mandate). it omits 15 million--he does not care what happens to them it seems to me.



Hillary's healthcare package has mandates...that's not male go-go dancers... Updated at 3:21 PM

Her mandated healthcare package is DOOMED to die because it fines/penalizes/forces people to get healthcare insurance. This doesn't address the issue of how healthcare insurance has many loopholes and doesn't sincerely address issues of affordability.

She wants the healthcare insurance industry (who gives her lots of money) to act on good faith to make it more affordable... that is a complete joke.

[rodeodance]

43. So, how will O. make the Insur. companies comply??? :

She wants the healthcare insurance industry (who gives her lots of money) to She wants the healthcare insurance industry (who gives her lots of money) to act on good faith to make it more affordable... that is a complete joke.to make it more affordable... that is a complete joke.

[Control-Z]

24. And doesn't universal coverage mean

"universal" coverage? I mean, either everyone is covered or it's not universal. Right?

BO's coverage is not universal.

K&R

[Dob Bole]

28. Why Clinton is right to go after Obama...um, she is trying to win an election.

Will she? Probably not. Still, I don't see why she should be faulted for at least TRYING to win.

[krabigirl]

57. exactly...she should have done this ages ago.

[RunningFromCongress]

41. To say that if health care is affordable to all, and you don't think people would buy it is to say

you believe the American people are too stupid to be responsible for themselves. There's no reason to mandate health care for anyone but children if it's affordable for every american.

[billyoc]

48. She'd better come out blasting, her campaign has nothing else left. nt

[OhioBlue]

50. how does she know if it is affordable?

If someone is self-employed and makes $50k on paper but still lives pay check to pay check, has a mortgage, credit card bills, a student loan or whatever - their true disposable income doesn't show up on their tax return. How does she know if this person can afford another $300 or $400 a month or whatever the price is?

Also - she has to have exemptions. I've been thinking about the Amish community. They can't be forced into purchasing health insurance.

[LeftCoast]

51. Though many will attempt to change the subject, the fact remains

that their anti-Hillary criticisms were wrong. People are so anxious to believe the absolute worst about Hillary that it blinds them to reality. It's not healthy.

[Control-Z]

54. Error:

You've already recommended that thread.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

56. WOOT WOOT GO HILLARY!!! that's my gal!

[amborin]

60. go, Hillary!

that obama flyer attack on hillary's healthcare plan was so slimy and evil

obama authorized it, too

[Yael]

63. Thanks for the report!

[AGirl]

65. LOL. what does that picture has to do with anything? please explain...

[Yael]

66. Up is down, black is white -- Baghdad Bob logic

I do miss me some B-Bob. He was a HOOT.

[AGirl]

68. how is my original post illogical? if that is what you are implying..

[boppers]

67. How can someone homeless and jobless be "mandated"?

I'm not seeing universal coverage in either plan.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

69. SWEET!