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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:38 PM Original message |
Even though Obama isn't a card carrying member, he's got DLC written all over him |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. If Hillary always beats republicans why are we in Iraq and no universal health care? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
103. That's just silly. nt |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. You mean, the organization Hillary's husband helped create? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. You need to learn your history. If anything, it's the organization Al Gore helped to create. n/t |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. Clinton, Gore and others |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
84. Gore changed his rhetoric. His platform was still DLC in 2000 |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
108. Hi, jackson_dem. We can point fingers all we want |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
113. Obama And HillBill Were ALWAYS The DLC Tandem... That Is WHY They Were Pushed and John Edwards Was.. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. You have really convinced me to vote for triangulating Hil, a cardcarrying DLCer |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. lol, I'm not trying to get you to change your vote. n/t |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
78. So you're just throwing insults out there for shits 'n' giggles? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. WTF are you talking about? What insults? |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. She is very ready |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
55. is there some difference between Obama's plans |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
85. You think Hillary was underfunded in 2000? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. And yet the national journal gave him the most liberal rating of any candidate this year |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Hillary is always right up there, too. Just check out Progressive Punch anytime & you'll see |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. How do you address the facts? Obama has a very progressive Senate record. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. As does Hillary have a very progressive record... |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. What the hell is a DLC trait? |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. It's never been done in all my years of voting |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. That's weird |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Does the fact that Hillary is right up there make Obama a DLC candidate? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Hillary's DLC traits have nothing to do with Obama's DLC trraits. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. There is no such thing as a "DLC trait". |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
88. What DLC priorities and strategies has he rejected? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. The DLC was created to put a stop to populist uprisings in the ranks. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Yes, and the populist candidate finished 3rd with 15-20% support |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. "Are they a bunch of idiots and dupes?" |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Wow, Obama is so amazing. He has duped the DLC! |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
66. Exactly. Then why did you bring up Hillary |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
87. "He distanced himself from them at every opportunity" |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. How can he be liberal and vote for war |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Obama forcefully spoke out against the war at the time the vote was taking place. |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Well, I did too |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. No, I don't. Obama's rep was on the line at the time, as he was gearing up for a Senate run. |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
111. Obama was not in the US Senate at the time of the war |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. On those rating scales, even some neocons score high points |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. Sen. Richard Durbin, , D- Ill. scored as the most liberal Senator. - 95.2% |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. I didn't know Durbin was running for President this year. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Editing response: Kucinich scored higher than Obama |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. I guess we all have different criteria for what constitutes "liberal," lol. nt |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
86. They gave DLC members the #1 and #4 rankings in 2004 |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
10. Big deal. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ok, you've convinced me not to vote for Obama (if MI gets another vote). |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I'm not trying to convince you who to vote for |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. So this is just negative advertizing. Ok, got it. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
15. Hillary is one of the DLC's LEADERS!!! |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. And? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. The real question is what is YOUR point? |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
18. The DLC wishes Obama was one of them. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
89. Al From is "proud" of "New Democrat" Obama and many DLC members have endorsed Obama |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
19. coward |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
21. The irony and desperation of your post is thick |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Not just a member, a LEADER. n/t |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. another Obama supporter who just can't face the truth |
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parasim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
24. When he was running for the Illinois Senate, he distanced himself from the DLC |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. Finding ways to work with is not the same as being a closet believer |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
28. Look over there: Obama isn't a member of the DLC, but more DLC than Hillary. LOL! Here: |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. You're the only one who said Obama is more DLC than Hillary, not me. n/t |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Go HERE and watch the "Meet our Leaders" flash at the top of the page: |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
31. He makes DLC look liberal |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. How? n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
91. Maybe because he is to the right of Hillary on trade, health care, and education? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. I'm starting to think so |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. I can't stand republicans |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Im with you. Reaching out to repukes will only result in us getting wacked in the face |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
81. My SO is "one of those assholes" |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #81 |
117. Congratulations |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
110. Yeah |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
34. How positively Rovian! Attack the candidate's strength. Obama is NOT DLC -- that's his strength. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
92. That isn't his strength. DLC types don't buy it. Look at how he did in the most DLC states |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. What, may I ask, is a "DLC state"? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
35. Wow. How low will Clinton supporters go? So now |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. truth always hurts |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. No, dear. I'm not hurt at all, but you seem to be. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. pathetic desperationg flop sweat, that's what that is: |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I hear ya! It's 'almost' funny, but it smells like desperation. nt |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
47. oh no you din't go there, did you? what a wonderful strategy! |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Remember, this is NOT her campaign. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. good point, I stand corrected. still. desperate |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
51. THANK YOU. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. and I thank YOU for being so well informed |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. There are some who see beyond, |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
94. Yup. Obama is running on smoke and mirrors and the "alternative to the DLC" thing is a big one |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
53. Don't YOU support the DLC? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. No. I don't subscribe to any groups. I take what I think are the best parts of the best candidates |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
56. It's why I don't like him either. They're two peas in a pod, basically. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
58. Weird post. Hillary is actually in the DLC. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. No, I'm not trying to say Barack is just as "bad". |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
107. No, what MtnSnake is saying is that the DLC isn't bad. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. The facts and data beg to differ. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
95. So Kerry and Edwards weren't DLC in 2004 under the new Obama standard? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
63. There are only two Democrats left - one a DLC person has been in the DLC leadership and |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Is CURRENTLY a leader, Karynnj...not has been. n/t |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Maybe you should do some research |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #68 |
96. Yup. It is scary how he has snookered folks without them even looking at his DLC platform |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
69. You're citing the National Journal? The personal magazine of the Washington insider crowd? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
70. I find it amazing how this thread was about Barack Obama, and the first responses are about Hillary |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. So Obama is DLC by marriage? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. are you serious? (series) |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Excellent point, Mezzo. This was touched upon by another DU'er a few days ago, too... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Guilt by association games huh? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
102. if the shoe fits... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Why does that bother people when both candidates are discussed? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. It doesn't bother that both are discussed |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. yes, there is much of that going on here - but it's a reflection of the conversation across America |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #83 |
116. Thank you for that, Atomic Kitten |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
90. DailyKos straw poll from a year ago? |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
93. Please back sloooooowly away from the bong. |
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Bushwick Bill (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
97. Yup, he's not out of the mainstream. |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
98. What fu**** horseshit! |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Horseshit? Why, because it's Obama? Too bad if you can't handle that your idol resembles DLC |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. heh...Obama "progressive". |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #98 |
114. How can Obamites call Obama a progressive and then say Hillary isn't progressive? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
112. Obama is to the right of the DLC. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. He's probably to the right of Hillary and Hill is considered a DLC template on the netroots |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
118. The Media Conflageration that is Obama |
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