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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:29 PM
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Barack can "speak good", but Hillary can speak well
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 07:36 PM by Prefer
Second day I have seen this flashed on MSNBC - Tweetys show.
It is in some video clip of Hillary I guess - a Hillary supporter turns around his sign and it reads
Barack can "speak good", but Hillary can speak well

It ends up being flashed several times on the course of an MSNBC show.

Was this Hillary supporter referring to an incident where Barack misspoke?

I googled it, but only found one Barak attacker cut pasting the same text containing "speak good" on four different forums.

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/02/obama_leading_in_wis_mccain_wi.html
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/20/michelle-obama-clarifies-proud-remark/comment-page-16/
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/20/obama-fights-war-on-2-fronts-as-mccain-steps-up-attacks/comment-page-9/
http://www.cleveland.com/forums/open/index.ssf?extlink?artid=88812

Seems like a racist pretense saying that black people can't speak well? Really pathetic. I find it hard to believe that someone isn't borking that in there on purpose on MSNBC for the subliminal race card effect.

I did hear Barack misspeak last night. He said a noun beginning with a vowel with the modifier of "a" instead of "an", I think because he said a... and didn't know what word he was going to choose next. But I was quite surprised there was no scandal about it. I forget the word, it was like "a article". it was almost at the end of the debate.

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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:33 PM
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1. tweety's trying to ensure that, should he get canned from msnbc...
which will apparently only happen if he drops F-bomb strings while interviewing Andrea Mitchell and tells Kelly O'Donnell he wants to bend her over the set...sure as hell won't be anything he does to or says to any of the guests, co-pundits, etc....


he'll get picked up at Faux to help them 'balance things out' and 'keep things fair'....
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:33 PM
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2. On CNN tonight they said that unlike all other politicians Obama speaks
English. And now some freeper is sluring that.... Like Karl Rove does - always attack your opponents greatest strength. Typical GOP crap.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:36 PM
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3. I'm not sure how you get the racist angle on that unless criticism of any black is racist by default
It's petty, but it's also only the work of one Clinton supporter--hardly indicative of what Mrs Clinton thinks.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:42 PM
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4. Please tell me your opinion on this
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 07:42 PM by Prefer
Why do you think the guy went out of his way to write that on a sign? Is Barack known for poor English? What do you think he was getting at?

I just thought that because complaining about an outsider not speaking your language correctly is a classic racist slur. remember the term ebonics?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:00 PM
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17. There's other takes possible on our pure speculation about this guy.
I come from the place that few, if any, Democrats are racist. Oh, there might be a lot of unresolved prejudices out there among white Dems. What American of any race doesn't have racial prejudices? But my first thought on seeing that message was that it was a schoolmarm taunt. As a teacher myself and a student of rhetoric. I tend to notice when people drop their Gs or use "gonna" instead "going to".

That's how I talk and Obama, being about my age, does this too. But it's unusual in political speeches, which of course we're all used to hearing from people about a generation older than me. There is a modern informality in Obama's stage delivery--he hits the ums and uhs much much heavier than older and more polished candidates. I've spent years learning to push the ums and uhs out of my impromptu talks. But I'm a teacher, so I give hastily prepared speeches much more often than even a politician does.

So my first and I think more Occamic analysis is that some intellectual is being snarky about Obama's informality rather than implying that the super cerebral Obama is somehow dumb or genetically inferior.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:07 PM
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18. Well the reason I asked is because
I assumed there would have been some incident that I wasn't aware of.

The implication that a black man speaks "poor english" made me think racist, the other explanations are interesting.

I kind of think someone is gong to know what it meant and hopefully explain it to us. Slogans on signs are meant to be obvious.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:46 PM
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5. Don't yell "racist" at everything
it needs to be reserved for real thing.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:47 PM
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7. What did the guy mean by the sign then?
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:52 PM
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12. I think it's a poke at the Obama Youth.
Young people, even the better educated, are rather lax and/or ignorant about the full use of the English language. The sign-maker has maybe met one too many kids who don't know much about issues, but know that their Great One is all about "hope" and "change" and he "speaks good."
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:53 PM
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13. maybe a "pop icon" vs. "wonk" thing?
It is weird, because Obama gets knocked for being elitist, too. The only thing certain is that the sign holder is a fool. What he really meant is anybody's guess.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:57 PM
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15. The way it is shown on MSNBC you can really only read
Barack can "speak good" - the bottom is mostly covered by a graphic. It is very prominent in the frame. you can't help reading it over and over just watching TV.
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devilindisguise Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:48 PM
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8. I agree
Racist has been overused so much, I'm not sure I really know what it means anymore. "Give me a break" is not a racist term. It's used by everyone I know.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:50 PM
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9. I'll keep asking and maybe someone will answer
what was the guy's sign saying then?
What was the message of the statement?
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devilindisguise Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:46 PM
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6. The candidates are tired
I've heard both make grammatical errors. I've never ever caught Bill Clinton in a grammatical error. Never. He was and is the great orator. Obama nor Hillary are anywhere Bill's level of expertise in the using the English language. Of course, neither of them are Rhodes Scholars who went to Oxford.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:50 PM
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10. Where did race enter the post?
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:55 PM
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14. Because I couldn;t think of anything else that could have been
slurred by the sign.

This is a hillary supporter hilding a sign against Barack. The text indicates that Barack seems to have said "I speak good" at some point in time. Yet no one seems to know about it.

Also, Barack is knows for his oratory skills, so why would one attack with a statement about his grammar? That's something you would say to slur George Bush and it wouldn't be racist. But but saying a black man doesn't have good grammar, when he obviously does? yeah that seems racist to me.

Am I off base?

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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:51 PM
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11. It is racist. That's why we need to get behind Mercer. nt
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 07:52 PM by Flabbergasted
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:00 PM
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16. this is an exercise in futility but y'all enjoy.
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