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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:48 PM
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Obama should definitely stick to public financing
Its the right thing to do and will set a strong moral precedent. Someting has to be done about the buying of elections. Obama will have no moral standing to address the issue seriously, if he uses his (unnecessary) financial advantage against McCain in the general election.

This is the perfect time to do right! There is almost no risk to it.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:49 PM
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1. I say take every advantage to win. I'm sick of playing fair with these assholes. Fuck'em
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:13 PM
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Exactly. All my life, the GOP has had all the money. Not this time.
I appreciate your eloquence and agree.

Nuke 'em. Nuke the bastards.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:13 PM
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14. Dupe
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 06:13 PM by faygokid
Too excited; hit key twice.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:42 PM
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21. Roger that...McSuck will be hurting on the money front...
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 07:43 PM by ChimpersMcSmirkers
Why even the playing field? Demos need to exploit their advantages.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:49 PM
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2. ouch.. blew 2 posts on this?
:rofl:
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:51 PM
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3. McCain is trying to get out of...
public financing.

Omama is going to need alot of money to counter attacks.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:52 PM
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4.  I would agree. If McCain wants to do it that way in the general, Obama should go along.
Set a good example, start off on the right foot.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:53 PM
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5. No the hell way!!!! Do you think if McCain could raise the kind of money Obama can
raise he would take public financing? Hell No! It is that simple. I'm tired of getting beat by he big GOP donors. It is not like Obama is getting the max from every single donor. He is getting 5, 10, and 20 bucks from a lot of folks. Raise all the goddamn money you want, Obama, and run, man, run! Screw McCain.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:56 PM
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8. McCain has been trying to cheat the system. Obama needs to nail him on this.
And THEN opt out.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:07 PM
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12. PRECISELY
Obama needs to make very clear what he agreed to -- just to DISCUSS the possibility (with numerous conditions), not to just opt out -- and in so doing, drop plenty of hints about why Grandpa proposed this in the first place (the scam he had going about the loan, collateral, etc.).
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:38 PM
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20. Oh yeah! Buy the presidency, then claim you are going to restore faith in gov't...
I think Obama is a better man than you give him credit for.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:55 PM
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27. I don't feel strongly one way or the other about whether Obama should....
...take public financing for the general campaign (late August-early November.)

But if raising money without pubic financing for the prior year isn't buying-the-presidency, then I don't get how raising money the same way for the final two+ months is buying-the-presidency.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:54 PM
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6. It will limit the amount he can spend
He has a great fundraising system from individuals. Why limit what he can spend when McCain doesn't have the ability to raise funds at the same level? That is why McCain is calling for it.

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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:33 PM
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17. We all know that-nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:55 PM
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7. Obama can take the highroad and eat it too
Obama should announce he can't go with public financing now that McCain has been caught trying to cheat his way out of the system now in place.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:58 PM
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9. That would require trusting a Republican. I see it as being as
risky as a woman believing "I won't *** inside you."
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:02 PM
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10. Almost no risk except the strong possibility of McCain having at least 4 years in office
I think now is not the time to set a "moral precedent" that nobody cares about.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:34 PM
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18. Its always time to set a moral precedent
Why are you a Democrat, if you don't believe in doing the right thing(s)? Why do you care about politics at all?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:05 PM
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11. Obama should say the million+ who donated to his campaign
want a say in this election via their contributions! Let's win this thing!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:08 PM
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13. No fucking way should he do that.
his funding comes from almost 1 million of us. And I want him to blow McCain out of the water. I don't give a shit about anything but winning and keeping crazy Mac out of the White House. No thanks.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:36 PM
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19. McCain has no chance.
Doing the right thing apparently doesn't appeal to you. Then consider this: with equal money, McCain still has no chance to win. None.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:49 PM
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26. If I believed that to be true, I would agree with you on public financing
However, I think it will be a hard-fought election, and he will need the extra ammo, unfortunately. I do agree that taking the high road with limited money would send a stronger signal, but the reality is that many of his supporters are making small donations (1,000,000 and growing), so if he is beholden to his donors, then that is a great thing, too. McCain's money would be bigger amounts from far fewer donors, more corporate types.
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Joshua N Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:16 PM
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15. McCain will be using 527's. Obama won't. Is that fair? n/t
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:18 PM
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16. I hope it he turns it down
It becomes pretty hard to defend against all the 527's that will spring up this time around. The repubs are going to pull out all the stops to keep their power. They don't not want Barack Obama and the people reclaiming the white house.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:42 PM
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22. Nope, this is a street fight, same thing to Hillary. anti-lobby mccain has lobbists
on his campaign

Don't believe the hype, nothing matters unless we win

We are dealing with a party, the republican party, that has been taken over by some very evil people


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:43 PM
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23. 1 million small donors IS Public Financing
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 07:49 PM by cryingshame
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:43 PM
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24. Bullshit! Barack needs to use every advantage. It's go-time.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:49 PM
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25. How much money would Obama be giving up?
Obama will get $83 million to spend in September and October if he uses public financing. That is a lot.

Can he definitely raise much more?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:57 PM
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28. NO, McLame is locked in, let's blow him out of the water.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:31 PM
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29. Disagree. It's a trap. The Pukes are already raising $250 mil in a 527 to do the Puke dirty work.
Obama is not just building a pile of cash to run, he's building the party and its structure of supporters for the next decade. We have a stellar chance. We cannot blow this. If they want campaign reform, first beat the daylights out of them, THEN make the reforms.

Since McCain cannot bind all those nasty Puke 527s, it would be insane for Obama to agree to public financing.
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