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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:19 AM
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The "Xerox" Remark Was Simply Distasteful
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 01:25 AM by Stephanie


Hillary Clinton has no class.

Follow the transcript. Note who gets (Cheers, applause.) and who gets (jeers from the audience).

The Xerox attack was a stomach turning moment. Watch her. She hears the boos and instantly realizes the line has bombed. She flounders for a minute, then completely changes the subject.




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21text-demdebate.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print


MS. BROWN: I think -- I think one of the points -- (interrupted by continued cheers, applause). I think one of the points that John King was alluding to in talking about some of Senator Clinton's comments is there has been a lot of attention lately on some of your speeches, that they're very similar to some of the speeches by your friend and supporter, Deval Patrick, the governor of Massachusetts. And Senator Clinton's campaign has made a big issue of this. To be blunt, they've accused you of plagiarism.

SEN. OBAMA: Right.

MS. BROWN: How do you respond?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, look, the -- first of all, it's not a lot of speeches. There are two lines in speeches that I've been giving over the last couple of weeks. I've been campaigning now for the last two years. Deval is a national co-chairman of my campaign and suggested an argument that I share, that words are important, words matter, and the implication that they don't, I think, diminishes how important it is to speak to the American people directly about making America as good as its promise. And Barbara Jordan understood this as well as anybody.

Now, the notion that I had plagiarized from somebody who's one of my national co-chairs -- (laughter) -- who gave me the line and suggested that I use it, I think is silly. (Cheers, applause.)

And -- you know, but -- but -- but this is where we start getting into silly season in politics, and I think people start getting discouraged about it. (Cheers, applause.) They don't want -- what they want is, how are we going to create good jobs at good wages? How are we going to provide health care to the American people? How are we going to make sure that college is affordable?

So what I have been talking about in these speeches -- and I got to admit, some of them are pretty good -- (laughter, cheers, applause) -- what I've been talking about is not just hope and not just inspiration; it's a $4,000 tuition credit for every student every year -- (cheers, applause) -- in exchange for national service so that college becomes more affordable. I've been talking about making sure that we change our tax code so that working families actually get relief. I have been talking about making sure that we bring an end to this war in Iraq so that we can start bringing our troops home and invest money here in the United States. (Applause.)

And so just to finish up, these are very specific, concrete, detailed proposals, many of them which I've been working on for years now. Senator Clinton has a fine record.

So do I. And I'm happy to have a debate on the issues, but what we shouldn't be spending time doing is tearing each other down. We should be spending time lifting the country up. (Cheers, applause.)

MS. BROWN: Senator Clinton, is it the silly season?

SEN. CLINTON: Well, I think that if your candidacy is going to be about words, then they should be your own words. That's, I think, a very simple proposition. (Applause.) And you know -- you know, lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in; it's change you can Xerox. And I just don't think --

SEN. OBAMA: Oh, but that -- that's not what happened there --

SEN. CLINTON: No, but -- you know, but Barack, it is, because if -- you know, if you look -- (jeers from the audience) -- if you look -- if you look -- if you look at the YouTube of these videos, it does raise questions.

Now, there is no doubt that you are a passionate, eloquent speaker, and I applaud you for that. But when you look at what we face in this country, we do need to unite the country, but we have to unite it for a purpose around very specific goals. It is not enough to say, "Let's come together." We know we're going to have to work hard to overcome the opposition of those who do not want the changes to get to universal health care.

You know, when I proposed a universal health care plan, as did Senator Edwards, we took a big risk, because we know it's politically controversial to say we're going to cover everyone.

And you chose not to do that. You chose to put forth a health care plant that will leave out at least 15 million people. That's a big difference.

When I said we should put a moratorium on home foreclosures, basically your response was, well, that wouldn't work, and you know, in the last week even President Bush said we have to do something like that.

I just believe that we've got to look hard at the difficult challenges we face, especially after George Bush leaves the White House. The world will breathe a sigh of relief once he is gone. (Applause.) We all know that. But then we've got to do the hard work of not just bringing the country together, but overcoming a lot of the entrenched opposition to the very ideas that both of us believe in and for some of us have been fighting for a very long time.

You know, when I took on -- (interrupted by cheers, applause).

When I took on universal health care back in '93 and '94, it was against a fire storm of special interest opposition. I was more than happy to do that because I believe passionately in getting quality affordable health care to every American. I don't want to leave anybody out. I see the results of leaving people out. I am tired of health insurance companies deciding who will live or die in America.

That has to end. (Applause.)

MS. BROWN: All right. Senator Clinton, thank you.

Senator Obama, please respond.

SEN. OBAMA: Well, I think that Senator Clinton mentioned two specific issue areas where we've got some differences. And I'm happy to debate those, which is what I think should be the focus of this campaign.








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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:27 AM
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1. If anything it was gentle.
The fact is that Saint Obama is nothing more than an actor who reads David Axelrod's previously used speeches, themes, and phrases. Obama is worthless just like Deval Patrick. He preaches a bullshit campaign of hope and change that has been used previously by another fraud in Massachusetts.

We have been fighting fucked up rhetoric without results for 8 years. Why should we accept another idiot in a flight suit? All rhetoric and no substance is tired, and I don't want to hear about how the messiah's website has all the info.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. Quell Surprise..another bitter hilary who
has trouble showing an ounce of class.
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:44 AM
Response to Reply #5
31. No class has been shown to my candidate or to myself.
Therefore no class will be shown to St. Obama.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #1
21. Why indeed when we can have some who's ready from day 1
to spend herself into bankruptcy on consultants and expensive motels.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #1
49. It's worse than that. Obama's entire campaign is stolen.
He is running as the CHANGE candidate, with a message of HOPE; he's supposed to be oh, so ORIGINAL, and GENUINE...His message, his theme, his motto, everything is STOLEN. Want a little proof? Remember, every time you see the word "(Response)" during this speech, what you hear from the WHOLE audience is "YES WE CAN!"


"We are the party of Lyndon Johnson and the Great Society. We are the party of John F. Kennedy and the New Frontier. We are the party of FDR and the New Deal. We are the party of the people. We are the party whose president faced a broken nation--a nation of people without jobs, without homes, without health care, without retirement security--and he exhorted our people to have courage. Seventy years ago, FDR stood before a fearful nation and said, We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And he ignited a nation to reaching its promise and that brought almost a hundred new Democrats into the House. It enabled a sweeping mandate to bring deep, transformational change to our social, our political, and our economic structures.

It remade a government of the people and for the people. That kind of change is needed today. We can empower a new beginning.

Democrats, I remind you that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. We need a new faith in America and in ourselves. Faith that we can change the present condition; faith that we can change the outcome; faith that we can regain the confidence, the optimism, the whole world has identified with America; faith that it is the Democratic party that can once again lead the way to a better day, to a better America, to a better world.

Democrats, Democrats can move this country forward from a condition where of 8 million people out of work to a full employment economy with a living wage for all. If you believe our party can do that, let us tell this nation yes we can. (scattered response "Yes we can.").

...

Democrats can move this country forward from 40 million people without health insurance to a single payer system which provides quality health care for all. Do you believe we can do that? (Response).

Yes we can. Si se puede.

Democrats can move this country forward from underfunded schools, underpaid teachers, and undereducated youths to making education our top funding priority and providing free college education for all. Do you believe we can do that? (Response).

Democrats can move this country forward from a condition where our air, our water and our land is now being ruined
by multinational corporate interests; where we can demonstrate that environmental protection is our path to sustaining the life of the planet. Do you believe we can do this as a party? (Response).

Yes we can. Si se puede.



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http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dnc0203/kucin022203spt.html
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich
Democratic National Committee Winter Meeting
Washington, DC
February 22, 2003
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:28 AM
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2. It was the line of the night
And when Hillary loses Texas by 35 points, it will be remembered as her final missed opportunity to show some class.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. Exactly.
Obama gave her the opportunity to take the higher ground, but she could not veer from her script and she used it. And it was the nail in her coffin. She's petty, and disingenuous. Nobody likes that.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. It was asked on DU today if hilary
would "take the high road" and I said she couldn't find the high road if Obama gave her a compass and map!
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. I'm perfectly comfortable with Hillary unloading that clip into her own foot.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #4
19. A comment on CNN after was that you could see even as she said it that ..
she new it was a mistake.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #19
61. You could see it.
She seemed shaken by the boos, then she scrambled for something else to say.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:29 AM
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3. Still not as bad as.....
"You're likeable enough."
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. 25X as many people saw tonight's debate as that one.....
the "you're likeable enough" line was watched by hardly anyone, before the campaign heated up.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #6
16. I did not say more people saw it,
I compared that comment to
the xerox comment. Those who
did not see the condescending
attitude then will get to see
plenty of it if he gets elected
in the GE.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:33 AM
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9. The really sad part?
Is she probably paid some consultant $60,000 for that line. :banghead:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:33 AM
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10. It's like her answers were canned......as though he wasn't even there......
Like when, from your excerpts,
Obama stated......

"what I've been talking about is not just hope and not just inspiration; it's a $4,000 tuition credit for every student every year -- (cheers, applause) -- in exchange for national service so that college becomes more affordable. I've been talking about making sure that we change our tax code so that working families actually get relief. I have been talking about making sure that we bring an end to this war in Iraq so that we can start bringing our troops home and invest money here in the United States.(Applause.)

And so just to finish up, these are very specific, concrete, detailed proposals, many of them which I've been working on for years now. Senator Clinton has a fine record."


and Hillary responded......

"But when you look at what we face in this country, we do need to unite the country, but we have to unite it for a purpose around very specific goals. It is not enough to say, "Let's come together."


:wtf: Did she even hear what he had just said?


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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. She was just waiting for the opportunity to score the knockout
I guarantee you she was ready with far worse lines than the Xerox comment. She wasn't listening to Obama because she was looking for an opening to drop a few more.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. It was very weak. And you can tell it was scripted
Again she has terrible advisors
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #10
20. OH OH...no she didn't!
She wasn't listening only ready with her next canned answer. omg.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:33 AM
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11.  I am tired of health insurance companies deciding who will live or die in America.
Wow...that is an amazing statement. And yet we focus on Xerox?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. It's silly season.........
folks have to defend themselves due to attacks about plagiarism, by those guilty of it themselves.

but yes, the Xerox kind of 1990s world of petty politics is soon going to come to an end!
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. *looks at you and tries not to laugh* I am sorry but...yeah never happen.
The republicans openned the door in 1988 and no one is willing to shut it just yet...not even the Junior Senator from Illinois.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:34 AM
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12. Clinton should fire her 'consultants'
They are clearly not helping.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Little late, don't you think?
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #15
22. Honestly, yes...
but better late than never.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #15
24. Especially when they owe mark penn over
a million $$$$$.
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Egalia Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:42 AM
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23. It was kickass,
and will soon be seen on bumperstickers. The pundits dissed it, but that doesn't mean a damn thing.

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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:54 AM
Response to Reply #23
37. Beavis?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:44 AM
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25. I thought it was pretty witty, myself.
She is quick, I have to admit. :P
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:44 AM
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26. OK, 'nuff already on this (and I am pointing the finger at myself, too)
It was a rotten remark, and by her delivery I think it was obviously rehearsed and ingenuine. I don't think Hillary cared for it either, but some yoo-hoo on her staff thought it was clever. I'm sure she regrets it. So, let's start mending fences here. Hillary knows she's beat now and I think she's trying to patch things up judging by her closing statement. It will be great when she's out there supporting Obama and pounding that little old man into the dust!

:bounce: :toast: :party: :beer: :hi: :headbang: :applause: :woohoo:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:45 AM
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27. Petty...she did herself no favor with that
she came across as bitter and classless. I almost feel sorry for her getting booed like that, it's sad she didn't take the high road.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:59 AM
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28. The only people who didn't like that line were Obama's.
And they don't like it because it stung.

As for the audience, it was pretty obviously pro-Obama. The response reminded me of the way Republican office-holding trained seals react (or used to) at Bush's SOTU speeches. No matter what he said, they leaped to their feet and cheered. And whenever Hillary said something that stung Obama, they'd hiss and boo, like the classless class of people they are.

The media hates Hillary, so they didn't like the Xerox line either, for the same reason. It stung.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:33 AM
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30. You're completely missing the greater context
Here's why that line was a mistake. Obama made the correct assertion that the public doesn't want to see "cheap, silly bickering". They want a government that is going to work for them. The crowd cheered and I bet most of the viewing audience agreed.

IF Hillary was still going to attack Obama, she needed to find away to do it that really expressed why this "issue" was SO significant. She never did that. Instead, she went in for another cheap shot.

The audience booed. And I bet most of the viewing audience at home felt the same.

Obama took every chance he could to lift himself and his side of the debate above the usual crap. Hillary only did that at the very end. And look what happened? She got a standing O.

Hillary misread the situation, the temp of the audience and Dems in general. And it won't help her.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:24 AM
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29. Not a Hill-Hater but she should not try to script these "zingers"
It just doesn't become her at all. I think she knew it too. If something's funny AND IF THE DELIVERY IS FUNNY you can risk it but she's just not good with the 1-liners. She has many strengths but that's not one of them! IMO, her campaign has been the victim of her listening to too many handlers who are suggesting things that her husband could pull off better. McCain is also awful with the 1 liners and sounds so cranky when he tries to do that!
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:39 AM
Response to Reply #29
35. Hillary did great on Super Tuesday - thanks to a zinger!
Did you see Hillary's on The Late Show with David Letterman on February 4th?

"In my Whitehouse - we will know who wears the pantsuits."

You can see it here, about 1 minute from the end of the video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2vMhXOUEtI
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:11 AM
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32. Awkward, floundering attack to be sure.
To say she has no class. Well, that seems counter to the uplifting spirit Obama had in mind.

Time to unite and be magnanimous. This race is over.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:14 AM
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33. She acted like a cowardly bully. Drop out Hillary
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #33
56. Uh, so Obama can't handle this kind of comment, but we are to believe...
he is supposed to handle well the comments that will come from the Republicans IF he wins the nomination?

Maybe some Obama supporters need to get their heads out of the sand. Also, self-righteous MOCK outrage is pretty sad.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:30 AM
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34. Let's be fair. Hillary had no choice but to go after Barack.
Obama is ahead in this race. He won every contest since Feb 5th.

Hillary is falling behind, with only a few states left to vote.

Right now she has no choice but to try and dent Obama's credibility.

Obama's greatest strength until now has been his ability to deliver inspirational speeches.

If Obama's applause lines have been borrowed or recycled from Deval Patrick, I think it is fair and legitimate for Hillary's campaign to point this out.

I guess when Hillary's campaign were thinking about ways of underlining this, someone came up with the line:
"You know, lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in; it's change you can Xerox."

It's not a personal attack. It's based on evidence that is available for everyone to see on YouTube.

OK so Obama's supporters didn't like it. But Hillary had no choice but to try something.

Maybe Hillary won't win the nomination. But don't expect her not to fight for it.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:38 AM
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36. Let's be fair - Hillary voted for the war - and almost 4000 people have paid the price for it.
Hillary has taken 19 different positions on the Iraq War, as many different positions as there have been debates.

If you really want to find out what Hillary thought just 3 months ago, when she was Miss Inevitable, about the Iraq War, she said -

"I'm not going to apologize for my vote. If you don't like it, vote for someone else."

We did.

By the millions!

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Moh96 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:26 AM
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38. and 100,000s of innocent Iraqis as well
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:00 AM
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39. So did John Kerry, John Edwards, Chuck Hagel and many others.
Maybe because they were assured by Colin Powell, Condi Rice and Tony Blair that it was all about putting pressure on Saddam Hussein so that he would be forced to cooperate with the UN inspections.

Saying that Hillary "voted for the war" is kind of misleading.

But it's true she voted to give Bush the authorization for a military attack on Iraq.

We will never know for certain how Barack Obama would have voted had he been in the US Senate in 2002.

But I agree it definitely helps him that he does not have that particular stain on his record.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:27 AM
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45. And saying she was "misled" is kind of misleading.
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 08:30 AM by JTFrog
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0303-23.htm

See Hillary Run (from Her Husband's Past on Iraq)
by Scott Ritter

Senator Hillary Clinton wants to become President Hillary Clinton. "I'm in, and I'm in to win," she said, announcing her plans to run for the Democratic nomination for the 2008 Presidential election. Let there be no doubt that Hillary Clinton is about as slippery a species of politician that exists, one who has demonstrated an ability to morph facts into a nebulous blob which blurs the record and distorts the truth. While she has demonstrated this less than flattering ability on a number of issues, nowhere is it so blatant as when dealing with the issue of the ongoing war in Iraq and Hillary Clinton's vote in favor of this war.

This issue won't be resolved even if Hillary Clinton apologizes for her Iraq vote, as other politicians have done, blaming their decision on faulty intelligence on Iraq's WMD capabilities. This is because, like many other Washington politicians at the time, including those now running for president, she had been witness to lies about Iraq's weapons programs to justify attacks on that country by her husband President Bill Clinton and his administration.

"While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq," Senator Clinton said at the time of her vote, in a carefully crafted speech designed to demonstrate her range of knowledge and ability to consider all options. "I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998."

Hillary would have done well to leave out that last part, the one where her husband, the former President of the United States, used military force as part of a 72-hour bombing campaign ostensibly deemed as a punitive strike in defense of disarmament, but in actuality proved to be a blatant attempt at regime change which used the hyped-up threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction as an excuse for action. Sound familiar? While many Americans today condemn the Bush administration for misleading them with false claims of unsubstantiated threats which resulted in the ongoing debacle we face today in Iraq (count Hillary among this crowd), few have reflected back on the day when the man from Hope, Arkansas sat in the Oval Office and initiated the policies of economic sanctions-based containment and regime change which President Bush later brought to fruition when he ordered the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

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Scott Ritter served as a former Marine Corps officer from 1984 until 1991, and as a UN weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until 1998. He is the author of several books, including "Iraq Confidential" and "Target Iran". He also co-authored "War on Iraq" with William Pitt.


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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:21 AM
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40. Was this a "Xerox" moment?
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:28 AM
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41. Hillary Clinton is pure class
She's withstood so much -- and came out stronger. She's amazing, really.

Now she's up against the effects of the right-wing machine again -- this time steered by Obama & gang, with their constantly pointing out that people "hate Hillary" nonsense.

So she has "no class" because of a Xerox remark? That's pure tasteless absurdity.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:37 AM
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42. It was the groan heard 'round the world.
The Xerox comment was remarkably out of touch and snarky.

It really fell flat.

No one except starry-eyed Hillary supporters think that was a great line.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:18 PM
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60. The groan heard round the world!
Exactly!
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:40 AM
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43. This morning Andrea Mitchell
said the crowd was stacked against Hillary because there are a lot of students and elite people in Austin.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:37 AM
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46. Yeah, it was so anti-Hillary, they were applauding her just 30 seconds prior.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:14 AM
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44. Hillary lost me for good last night when she brought up that BS plagiarism thing...
Forget it, Hillary. I used to like and support you, but that was right-wing republicon trash. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You have Totally Lost this voter with that meaningless crap attack.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:51 AM
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48. Hillary did NOT bring it up the commentator ASKED the question
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:47 AM
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47. Xerox
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:59 AM
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50. LOL, when was the last time anyone xeroxed anything?
Besides being rotten and nasty, the comment showed that she is totally out of touch with the world. She really misjudged the political climate when she pulled that clunker out.
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:59 AM
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51. I thought it was incredibly ironic.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:51 AM
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52. A better politician would have turned it into a laugh
Remember Reagan at the 84 debate with Mondale? When he talked about not "exploiting the youth and inexperience of his opponent for cheap political points?" Whatever your opinion of Reagan, it was brilliant, and totally took the wind out of Mondale's sails.

Hillary comes off as having no sense of humor. She could have easily gotten a soft jab in with a bit of humor thrown in, made everyone laugh, and moved on. Instead, she came off as heavy handed. Obama did a great job of handling it on his end with the "silly season" comment.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:54 AM
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53. The lamest part was that she...
... said it right after Obama said (to cheers and applause) 'what we shouldn't be spending time doing is tearing each other down.' Her timing was terrible!
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:56 AM
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54. No, it was also dumb and really corny.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:19 AM
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55. It's called POLITICS, kiddies!
n/t
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:24 AM
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57. It was a very uncomfortable moment and it didn't serve her well,imo....
... unfortunately for her it was media attracting enough so that many many more people than watch the debates will be able to see it.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:43 AM
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58. Especially since she had the Xerox machine humming at the end of the debate.
How dumb is it to make plagiarims a major attack, and then plagiarize in the same debate? That's the great experienced campaigner at work?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:49 AM
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59. I thought it was a great zinger, and it made me laugh.
..."lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in; it's change you can Xerox."

How could anyone have worded it better?

If you don't like it, chances are you're an O supporter who thinks criticism of your candidate is out of bounds.

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