Answer honestly: Do you think there can be an Obama/Clinton ticket?

[angie_love]

Before you resoundingly say "hell no", keep in mind that many Americans simply are not as divided as some of us are here in DU. The number of democrats voting this year easily outpaces the repugs by 2:1 and its clear that most Americans love both of these candidates. It seems they strongly dislike either one going negative towards each other. As a firm Barack supporter, Hillary warmed me up to her towards the end of the debate...and it was a nice change from the foolish attacks over the last several days.

[Egnever]

1. Nope

totaly different aproaches to government.

[plastichallway]

61. Clinton would do all the work, and O would take the credit

[yourguide]

67. Karl Rove, is that you?

Rove, we all remembered your charming OP-ED when you stated Obama is lazy.

Sorry my friend, lazy do nothing people dont end up getting a scholarship at Harvard. Lazy do nothing people dont end up being the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

[RichGirl]

80. Yes...

they have totally different approaches, which would make them a perfect match.

1) All the so-called anger, nastiness, etc...between Hillary and Barack is an illusion created by overzealous supporters and a media that loves conflict. I'm sure the two of them like and respect each other and know that this stuff is necessary in a campaign. Even Obama knew he wasn't running for student council.

2) The nom doesn't have to like the VP and doesn't even pick him/her. The party decides what's best for the party. Reagan did not like Bush Sr. and never even invited him to the white house. Kerry did not want Edwards...it was Bill Clinton who encouraged him and they (Kerry/Edwards) never did really like each other.

3) Their positions are practically indentical. Yes, Hillary voted for IWR, but since then they have both voted to finance the war. Except for subtle differences the only difference is in words, change vs. experience. Even that is the same since Obama does have experience and Hillary does want change. Having a woman president will be just as big of a change than having an African American.

4) Doesn't Obama believe in the will of the people? He didn't get 100%, he's gotten just a little over half. So, the will of the people is divided. He is claiming that he'll unite the partys. Shouldn't he first unite the democratic party?

5) Other running mates: another man would be the same old ticket. Any woman would seem very weak compared to Clinton.

Since Obama and Clinton are so close in support, they almost have to run together to satisfy the whole party. For true unification and to guarantee a win in Nov, we need everyone enthusiastically supporting the ticket.

As a Clinton supporter, I would make the switch. But, having worked on many campaigns I know it is hard work that requires dedication and sacrifice. I just don't have it for Obama. I would vote for him, but that's it. Unless Clinton is on the ticket.

Having worked on campaigns I also know that it's the middle age and older people who do the grunt work. The young folk show up when it's convenient and for rallys and fun things. So...this time I'll leave it to them. If they want Obama so bad, let them do the grunt work.

[blm]

106. Right - Obama is for OPEN Government and Clintons side with CLOSED Government

Obama is on the Open Government path right now and I do not WANT any diversion whatsoever from that path.

[Miss Chybil]

2. Yes. nt

[Moh96]

3. No I dont want it

[jlake]

95. That wasn't the question.

[pbca]

4. Hell No

I read the stuff after, I'm not sold

[babylonsister]

5. No. Obama has turned out to be the superior candidate; he will

make a determination; I don't know that Clinton is a valid option if there's someone better to change the conversation? I'm done with dynasties, Clinton included.

[donheld]

11. At this point Obama should lead the ticket

I very much doubt Hillary would take a VP spot. So I don't think it will happen at all.

[ShortnFiery]

No WAY! Despite the admittedly humble moment at the end, Bill And Hillary have burned their bridges

in that regard. Nope.

[Colobo]

6. I would be open to an Obama/Clinton ticket.

[provis99]

7. of course.

they're both pragmatic. And it would be personally satisfying to see who Democrats put forth as their Presidential and Vice-Presidental candidates, compared to the Republicans picking old fart white Republican guy McCain and whatever other old fart white Republican guy he picks as his running mate.

[Splinter Cell]

8. Prob. not

I don't think they would try something like that, because of the race and gender issue. It would be difficult enough to get over the hurdle of being a black candidate or female candidate in the GE, without having both issues at the same time. It would be a good sign for America, but it would hurt the chances for the ticket.

[provis99]

22. unfortunately, you're probably right

Still, it would me feel good that the Democratic Party would be willing to take a step like this, even if there's too much of a "bigot" factor among the independents and Republicans for a black guy/white woman Presidential running team.

[Barack_America]

9. No. Hillary will bring out the GOP for McCain no matter where she is on the ticket.

[BeyondGeography]

10. No

Most Democrats love both of these candidates. After that, most Americans would see Obama as a puppet of the hated Clintons if he put Hillary in his White House. The change candidate needs to turn the page completely.

[angie_love]

15. I understand all of your points. Thanks for your honest answers.

Just figured I'd throw it out there.

[BeyondGeography]

34. Of course...I also feel the same way for a minute or two after these civilized debates

but then reality settles in again.

[angie_love]

35. Yeah me too, when they debate, I'm proud of them both, but then when the nastiness begins again

I know why I support Obama and not her.

[Cosmocat]

69. Bingo ... He CAN'T pick her ...

his whole message, his whole premise is change ...

If he were to have Hillary as his VP candidate, it would, rightfully, invalidate his candidacy to a certain degree ... He talks about change, needing to move on, then takes on Hillary ... The right wing and MSM would be justified in talking about it ...

[FrenchieCat]

12. I don't think of it. Why should I?

Obama has won this despite long odds. Why should he give up anything. He doesn't need an automatic 47% No vote and an IWR voter on his ticket. There are very many gifted Americans in this country who's last name is NOT Clinton. Thank you though.

[FrenchieCat]

13. I don't think of it. Why should I?

Obama has won this despite long odds. Why should he give up anything. He doesn't need an automatic 47% No vote and an IWR voter on his ticket. There are very many gifted Americans in this country who's last name is NOT Clinton. Thank you though.

[KAZ]

14. Not a chance in hell. Even though it's wrong, she's toxic.

[nomorewhopper]

16. N O

not in a million years will this happen

these two people hate each other,

hate might be a tad strong, but definitely wouldn't wnat to be in the same room with each other

[polichick]

17. I don't think so...

Looks like he's getting the top spot ~ and he'll need to be pretty strategic about his veep choice.

[angie_love]

21. you are right, probably someone will strong national security credentials

[stahbrett]

18. Here are reasons why I don't think Obama will choose her

First, I'm not sure she wants it.

Second, she doesn't help offset the lack of executive experience - a Bill Richardson type would be better.

Third, she is too polarizing - by that, I mean her negatives are as high if not higher than her positive ratings. Basically half the country doesn't really like her all that much - whether it'd deserved or not, I don't see that changing between now and November.

[scheming daemons]

19. No.

If Obama adds Hillary, the whole basis for his campaign... fighting against the culture in Washington... goes away. Hillary, good or bad, is PART of that culture.


Conversely... Hillary can't continue to say that he is not ready to be CiC, and then sign on to be his VP.


It just isn't going to happen. It does NOT help the campaign in November, because it sabotages the very theme that Obama is running on.

Hillary has the perfect mindset and temperment to be a legislator. And that is not a bad thing.

Barack has the perfect mindset and temperment to be an executive.

Hillary would make a GREAT Senate Majority Leader. And I think she will be just that.

[angie_love]

24. Thats very true. I agree with everything you say.

[John Q. Citizen]

40. You got it. It screws up the message. I posted below before I read through all replies.

[Adams Wulff]

63. It's guys like you...

...that keeps my post count low.

I think it, you type it.

Only way faster than me.


Although watching the debate tonight, I couldn't help but to think how "formidable" they seemed together.

[LiberalAndProud]

20. Better to keep the runner-up in the Senate.

Majority rules ... and we need to increase the majority in both houses.

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. No, independents don't want the Clintons again

They are tired of both parties and they comprise of a major voting faction
You won't get the turnout.


Forget this illusion

[DURHAM D]

25. No.

If he selects her as VP she will roll out a half dozen major policy initiatives before he locates the presidential bathroom.

[angie_love]

28. what a cheap shot...

:eyes:

[DURHAM D]

32. Not a cheap shot.

He can not use her - she is too strong. She has been in the house before and knows how to work the buttons and levers.

[JVS]

26. no

[Diane R]

27. No chance. Obama will pick someone like Richardson or Biden.

[JimGinPA]

29. No

He doesn't need the baggage.

[saltpoint]

30. Possible. But there might be a distinct tension in the air for the first few

Cabinet meetings.

[grantcart]

31. I didn't before tonight. A million years ago I had an internship

in the state legislature and everyone thought I would run for congress. I just didn't like the legislature because its so consultative. Maybe Hillary wants to be in the executive wing for the same reason. All those years in the govenors spot and the whitehouse maybe she hates the senate and is willing to be #2 in the executive.

[Cha]

33. Sorry, Hell NO n/t

[angie_love]

37. lol

:-)

[John Q. Citizen]

36. No. And it's not because of animosity or what Americans think about the candidates.

It's because of the Republicans.
They are going to try to win this election.

Is Obama supposed to promote and develope a message for 2 years, "Change!" and then throw it out the window and come up with a new conflicting message for the last 10 weeks of the general campaign?

Should his new massage be "Change a little and don't change the rest?" Or "Make new friend but keep the old."

See, Obama's "Change" message is a good one, it's working, and he shouldn't throw it away so that Dems can feel all fuzzy, because if we lose the election we aren't going to feel fuzzy for long.

[angie_love]

39. you make a very good point

I always seem to have this lovefest feeling after watching a debate and then reality sinks in again as a poster mentioned above. It would work if it were Clinton/Obama but if it were Obama/Clinton, it would probably be a much less effective ticket.

[John Q. Citizen]

46. Actually, Clinton/Obama wouldn't work for the same massage based reason.

Hill has implied Obama isn't ready to be president.

The VP needs to be ready on day 1 should the need arise.

If she put Obama on the ticket she's implictly saying one of 2 things

1. It doesn't matter if someones ready or not.

2. I think he's ready, I just said he wasn't because I wanted to win.

I would step all over her message.

[Emit]

38. No. I could've seen a Clinton/Obama ticket, but not an Obama/Clinton ticket

[Recursion]

44. I agree that's more likely

Since she never out and out said that he's not ready to be CiC (just that she was more ready) it is conceivable. The reverse really isn't.

[rhett o rick]

41. The reason for the huge turn-outs by Democrats is that they want a change. That change can't include

Sen Clinton. Besides Sen Clinton is of more value in the Senate than as a vice President. Same holds true for Sen Obama.

[rhett o rick]

42. A Clinton / Lieberman ticket would defeat McBush.

Hey I am not sayin I want that.

[scheming daemons]

45. Won't be Lieberman... are you stoned?

...

[rhett o rick]

88. Stoned? I wish. I hope you are right but wouldn't surprise me. Didn't Bill help

Lieberman defeat the Democratic challenger Lamont?

[Recursion]

43. I hate to keep repeating myself on these threads...

...but I think it's a non-starter, because both weaken the other's ticket

A) Clinton can't say he's not experienced enough to be President and then nominate him as VP.

B) Obama can't say he's running against the politics of the past 20 years and have her on the ticket

It's not that either one would be a bad vice president; it's that both are contrary to the other's message, and they both know that.

[babylonsister]

47. Thank you for getting my attention, finally. You are right.

Then again, where does the big dawg come into this, and do you think Hillary will go away if she loses TX and OH?

[Recursion]

51. I posted a fence-mending thread about this a few seconds ago

Deep down, I don't see this going on much longer, certainly not past PA. One of them will have resounding victories in 2 of the 3 (I can't say why other than a gut feeling, that none of these will be close), and the other will concede. Neither Bill nor Hillary, Barack nor Michelle will put the party through something that would tear it apart.

Just my faux-psychic-skills.

[babylonsister]

52. I'm very aware of how your psychic skills work!

And I'm also aware of how you've stood up for me in some threads. Thank you kindly. I'm all about truth, and so are you. I've been very gratified and just want you to know that. :pals:

[TexasLady]

48. Im down with it

as in yes.

[Tresalisa]

49. Honestly, I can't see Hillary as being #2. Maybe if she gets the nomination,

she could choose Obama for VP. To me, they do seem to have respect for each other.

(Well, you said to answer honestly!!)

[ErnestoG]

66. Oh she's a number 2 alright....

[MonkeyFunk]

70. Man

you're just nasty.

[Raine]

50. No, face it people like or dislike

one or the other for their own reasons and putting them together is going to double the dislike. I'm not talking about DU but the general public. Sadly some people (I've seen interviewed on TV) won't vote for a woman, some won't vote for a black...putting them together just doubles those reasons.

[MrSlayer]

53. No.

Senator Clinton will not settle for VP, period. Now Obama may accept the VP slot under Clinton to further his Presidential ambitions later on but really, who would want to be VP under her with Bill around? Hillary's veep would basically be a ceremonional position, Senate duties aside. No, I do not ever see this happening either way.

[Eurobabe]

54. No way

[BringBigDogBack]

55. Nope/

[Thrill]

56. NO any ticket with

Hillary is a losing ticket.

Obama is no longer attractive to Independents if Hillary is on the ticket

[ErnestoG]

57. No. Hillary will burn the village down before giving up on her ambitions.

[LadyVT]

58. I think it's the ONLY way to unite the party after all this. Honestly.

[Beacool]

59. I don't think that it's going to happen.

Even though it would make sense since both of them have very little difference on policy and even on the popular vote.

[emilyg]

60. Stranger things have happened in politics.

[CitizenLeft]

62. yes... I'd like to see it.

I understand all the reasons not to, from both sides. And I understand how difficult it would be for either of them to choose the other after the stances they've taken during this campaign (Obama v. Clinton the war, Obama v. Clinton re: experience, etc.), and how hard it would be to meld their message as a team with those differences they've highlighted for over a year. But that's been done before. On the other hand, her being perceived as "experienced" will balance out that "inexperience" argument that hypocrite McCain is revving up for.

But... your first sentence is what makes me think it would not be disastrous. Most Democrats do like them both, that's obvious by the closeness of the race... and the party itself likes them both. While there are people in both campaigns and camps who deeply dislike the other candidate, that's a small percentage - we here at DU are not the nation, we are not the average person at large. So... I'm all for it. In fact, I'd love it.

It would, though, have to be an Obama/Clinton ticket, and not the other way around. I don't see her catching him, he's got too much of a lead, especially with both TX & OH tightening up. She needs blowouts, and that's not going to happen.

Having said all that, I believe either of them will win in November. :)

[Crunchy Frog]

64. No.

[Kitty Herder]

65. I think they may have too much resentment towards each other after

all is said and done to be able to work together effectively. But I could be wrong.

[demokatgurrl]

68. no way in hell. n/t

[calico1]

71. No. She won't take the #2 spot and besides,

she is more valuable in the Senate.

[Adelante]

72. No

Obama is going to pick a national security heavy who did NOT vote for the IWR.

[workinclasszero]

73. Oh Hell No

In the first place Obama is going to be the presidential candidate. Do you really think Hillary is going to give up her Senate seat to play second fiddle to Obama??:rofl:Give me a break!

Secondly, Obama doesn't need a DLC mole inside of his administration. Hillary is a two for one deal as well. Hill and Bill. I don't think Obama wants Bill Clinton running his mouth around the country causing trouble and the occasional bimbo eruptions, etc.

Having Hillary on the ticket will also energize the demoralized reich wingnuts and whip them into a frenzy.

Who needs all that? What state could Hillary deliver for the ticket? New York? LOL Obama will get that state anyway.

Hillary would be the worse possible VP for Obama and I'm sure he would be smart enough not to offer it to her as I'm sure she would turn him down if he did!

It ain't gonna happen people! Now Clare McCaskil from Missouri would be a good choice, could help deliver Missouri to Obama which he just barely won in the primary. Sebelius the Governor from Kansas might be a good choice, a rising star in the party.

Bill Richardson another good choice could shore up latino vote. Or possibly John Edwards. These people make sense on an Obama ticket, Hillary doesn't.

And she wouldn't take it anyway!

[Ganja Ninja]

74. Yes

[Skwmom]

75. No. Clinton anywhere on the ticket will rally the Republican base

for McCain. Furthermore, Obama wants to unite the country and change the way things are done in Washington (so something can actually get done on behalf of the American people). Clinton is part of the bitter partisanship and lobbyist crowd. In addition, who would want Bill Clinton roaming around saying anything that came to mind?

[texas_indy]

76. No Clinton on the ticket or in the Obama's Administration. Their time has come and gone.

Most indies and moderate republicans will never vote for her. Adding her to an Administration invites conflict and grid-lock.

Texas is Obama country!

[Independent-Voter]

77. Hell no! HRC brings absolutely nothing to the ticket, except for high negatives

[OzarkDem]

78. Watching last night, it was evident - a Clinton/Obama plan could work

Obama is far too inexperienced. Reminds me of what many women have seen on the job - the younger inexperienced man getting promoted over the more experienced woman.

[Kaylee]

79. No.....she has too many negatives.

Obama needs someone that would complement his negatives without bringing in baggage of their own.

[vision]

81. Yes, think JFK/LBJ

JFK and LBJ really did not like each other and I beth their campaigns were a lot more negative than this one has been. In the end they came together for the good of the party and the nation.

[dcindian]

82. I don't think so.

Obama has spent his entire campaign railing against the hateful spitefulness of the current air of politics. It would be a huge let down for him to take on a vice president who has legitimized such vileness on the Democratic side of the aisle. Hillary's distastefulness due to her wanton spew of hate and divisiveness would only serve to paint Obama as another 'politics as usual' candidate.

It would be a huge error in my judgment.

[tokenlib]

83. Make Hillary Senate Majority Leader and point person on health care

Let her follow her destiny to make health care reform happen....

[busymom]

84. Yes. Absolutely.

I would be thrilled with this option.

[Angela Shelley]

85. No.

If Clinton really wants the Democratic Party to gain control, she would motivate her faithful fan club to rally for Obama, FROM DAY ONE!

[Beacool]

90. Her faithful fan club???????

What do you then call all the Obama groupies that have drunk his Kool-Aid?

For me it's very simple: no Hillary anywhere in the ticket, no vote from me in November.


:shrug:

[Angela Shelley]

91. OK, I understand your position.

What´s another alternative?

The ONLY way for the USA to stop the warmongering activity is to elect a Democratic POTUS and then keep demonstrating for peace and watching every move he/she makes.

[Beacool]

93. I don't like nor trust Obama as far as I can throw him.

He may yet win the WH, but I doubt that he'll accomplish even half of what he promised. To me he comes off as too smarmy and arrogant. His friends may call it confidence, I call it cockiness. There's no doubt that he's a great speaker and an intelligent man, but he strikes me as a sham. Sorry, I wish that I felt differently........

[Angela Shelley]

94. By November,

the smarmy, arrogant, cocky Democratic candidate who is a great speaker and an intelligent man will NEED every vote he can get to become the POTUS.

If Clinton supporters want PEACE, they have no choice as to support Obama, in order to at least have a chance to get back on track.

With the two party political system, it´s almost impossible to accomplish great things.

It´s up to the people, not the government.

[Beacool]

97. Well, on that point we agree: Obama will NEED every vote.

The question is whether he will get them. Remember that the popular vote is pretty much split in half at the moment, he certainly is not winning by a vast majority of the Democrats. Only time will tell if most of Hillary's supporters will vote for him in November.

[K Gardner]

86. No. It won't happen. Obama knows it'd be the death of his ticket and his Presidency.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

87. WTF?! DU Doesn't reflect America?

What are you smoking! You mean to say that the entire country doesn't obsess of a dangling modifier in somebody's campaign speech?

I would love to see these two on the same ticket. It would be a landslide.

[0007]

89. NO way!

[HeraldSquare212]

92. No. Hillary would be a drag on the ticket, not an asset.

The GE ticket isn't about Dems, it's about Reps and independents.

[COFoothills]

96. Resoundingly: HELL NO

1) The democratic voters have stated obviously that they want a fresh face and not more Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. To put her on the ticket smacks right in the face of that.

2) Putting Hillary on the ticket needlessly fires up the republican base. We're about to dodge that bullet thankfully. Why walk back into it.

3) What does Hillary bring to the ticket that Obama needs? I can't think of anything significant.

4) A two senator ticket is risky. He'll go with a governor or someone other than a US Senator.

5) Why would he want Bill sniffing around over his shoulder all the time.

Out with the old, in with the new. That's what this is all about.

[Raffi Ella]

98. Hillary is the experienced one,

it would only be feasible if it were Hillary/Barack.Then he could run,and no doubt win,in 2016.

That I could get behind.


I think some of you forget or don't even realize that Hillary has passionate support from aorund the country.Yes,he's won many states but she won many votes,they are in a virtual tie at this point.We want her just as much as you guys want Barack.This is Hillary's and our time just as much as you guys feel it's yours and Baracks.

In my mind she is making History,she is The One.I want to see her elected President and I think she will be.

[sniffa]

99. No, not a chance.

[truebrit71]

100. Nope. 1) it won't work 2) HRC won't accept the Veep spot.

For HRC it has ALWAYS been about being behind the desk in the WH. Nothing else matters.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

101. ~*~

[ieoeja]

102. No. Why would she?

While as Vice President she could do good work (Gore proved that with the INTERNET), I do not see her taking a job that does not offer some personal reward. An Obama presidency means she would not have a shot at the top job for eight more years.

Her best hope after Obama wins the nomination is for a McCain presidency. That might at least give her another shot four years from now when she could then run the "I told you so" campaign.

I won't be the slightest bit surprised to see her joining in on the GOP chorus against some manufactured Obama "gaffe" like she did against Kerry two years ago.

[Vinca]

103. No - I'd rather see Obama run with someone who has military experience.

Wesley Clark maybe. It will be needed to offset McBush's only real claim to fame.

[backscatter712]

104. No. The rivalry's too strong.

Obama's a huge gentleman - much more of one than I am, he'd be willing to do it if he thought Hillary Clinton was the right person for the job, but I'm not sure Clinton would accept the job.

Personally, I think Obama needs someone with some executive experience, maybe even military and foreign policy experience.

A governor would be good, like Sebelius, for example.

So would someone like Joe Biden - he's got the foreign policy goods for the job.

Or maybe even Wesley Clark.

But I'm so split on who I would pick that I'm probably going to be proven to be way off the mark when Obama does make his choice.

[RoadRage]

105. No.. nothing to do with DU - more to do with Obama's campaign strategy..

She doesn't help him where he needs help - but she brings him problems. The people he needs votes from, the people who currently like him - DO NOT LIKE HER (Independents and Obama Repugs).

He needs help with International affairs, etc. Hillary doesn't bring that to the table.

[marlakay]

107. its not hell no, its a matter of baggage

and you need a clean slate vp nomination. When you back up and get away from the I don't like either candidate and pretend it is anyone, then you realize that we don't pick anyone with baggage like that.

[WinkyDink]

108. She'd say yes, but he ain't asking.

[snooper2]

109. I think it would be very cool...

But the powers that be will never let it happen...

(Not Obama or Hillary; but Bill, Mark P., DNC, DLC probably people consulting Obama, etc.,)