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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:12 AM
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Rasmussen - Ohio: Kerry 45% Bush 41%
Massachusetts Senator John F. Kerry leads President George W. Bush 45% to 41% as the election season begins.

<snip>

By a 48% to 36% margin, Ohio voters say they trust President Bush more than Senator Kerry on issues of national defense and the War on Terror. However, those numbers are reversed when it comes to managing the economy.

Rasmussen Reports

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:14 AM
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1. The daily tracking poll puts Kerry behind 4 points though
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:17 AM
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2. How is he better at handling defense?
This is why the Dems need to remind people who's watch 9/11 happened under
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:17 AM
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7. hard to say that's real, though

I wouldn't be surprised or concerned to see Kerry dropping to 43% but W appearing to rise to 47% seems a little wierd.

Bush hasn't broken 45%-46% in quite a while and projections from previous elections peg the upper limit in conservative leaners right there.... I'd estimate Democratic leaners among the Undecided put Kerry into the high 40s at the moment.

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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:27 PM
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16. If Kerry wins Ohio
He wins the election.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:17 AM
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3. Can someone explain to me why...
Why people, according to the polls anyway, trust Bush on defense? I just don't understand.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:34 AM
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4. Maybe because he allowed us to be attacked by al Qaeda?
Nah, that's probably not the reason.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:37 AM
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5. Because they know jack shit about it.
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 02:38 AM by LoZoccolo
The best a lot of people know about major conflict is getting into a fist-fight at a bar - nothing more complicated than that, and the strategy is go headlong for persistant damage - eventually it'll get broken up, and you try to send the message you won't get knocked around again.

The problem is, all this international stuff is at least more like getting into a fist-fight at work.
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:52 AM
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6. yea i would like to know this as well..
I just do not get it......It's very disheartening even though i do not believe the polls truely. Maybe they are push polls..trying to get everyone to percieve that people trust the Chimp when they really do not.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:51 PM
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8. THe daily tracking has Bush ahead nationally
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 05:13 PM by Nicholas_J
(Actually tied, within trhe margins of the polls") But has Kerry beating Bush in Michigan and Ohio, and tied in Pennsylvania. This is running well according to Kerry' strategy of winning without the south, but winning the Midwest states that are on the great lakes and varry very large numbers of electoral votes. There are nine states in which a candidate can pick up almost enough electoral votes to win the election, New York and California and Texas cvarry the most electoral votes, and Kerry is very strong in two of these, California and New York. Carrying Ohio and Michigan.

California has 55 electoral votes, New York 31,Texas 34

Giving Kerry 81 electotal votes to Bush's 34 in these top states.


Kerry takes Ohio 20 EV and Michigan 17 EV will give Kerry 118 electoral votes with 4 states giving Kerry almost one third of all of the electoral votes needed to win the presidency with just these 4 states. A rather clever strategy.

In Pennsylvania, the Rassmussnen polls place it too close, but other polls (ARG and SUSA) have Kerry clealy in the lead in that state which would give Kerry another 21 electoral votes Bringing Kerry up to 138 electoral votes with FIVE states, giving Kerry more than half of the electoral votes needed to win the election.

Right now Kerry's strategy of focusing on the industrialized midwest, and the high electoral vote states of California and New York is giving Kerry a powerful edge to win in November. All Kerry needs out of the south is Florida with its 25 electoral votes to be assured of winning the presidency, as the remaining surely blue states willcarry him to a win. Florida is close right now, but is leaning more strongly towards Kerry in each poll.

This is the total breakdown of states in whichs states indicate wins for Kerry:

Kerry

Washington 11
Oregon 7
California 55
Iowa 7
Illinois 21
New York 31
Mass 12
Ct 7
RI 4


124 Electoral Votes from Democratic States

Too close to tell but Kerry in the lead now:

Michigan 17
Ohio 21

38


Total Electoral votes for Kerry as of today:

162 electoral votes.

Right now

REpublican States right now are

Utah 5 electoral votes
Kansas 6 electoral votes
KY 8 electoral votes
IN 11 electoral votes
NC 15 electoral votes

Giving Bush a sure 45 electoral votes from Republican states or Leaning Republican states.

Kerry has 124 sure electoral votes from Democratic states or leaning democratic states.

So far we have two staes in which it is too close to call leaning towards Kerry, and one in which it appears that they are tied in one poll but in others definitely fall in the Kerry camp.

Right now Kerry has 1245 sure electoral votes, or more than on third needed to win the election whereas Bush is only sure of 45 electoral votes from states firmly Republican or leaning Republican. Right now the election is John Kerry's to lose adn that is making the Bush campaign very shaky and coming out had fast and ltying very early which is a bad strategy as it gives Kerry a good deal of time to debunk the lies, and more time to hit on the bad job market and bad economic environment for the average american as the Bush administation can be made to appear to be actively attempting to stop up the leak in the trickle down theory of economics. While Al Qaedsa goes where it pleases and strikes where it pleases proving the waste of time and resources spent on Iraq.
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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:00 PM
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11. List seems really incomplete for Repubs
I think there is a whole bunch of states you could add to Bush as just about sure things. He's got a whole lot more than 45 EV in the bank. Really, is there any way he loses more than two states in the old south?

I would love to see Kerry lock up the Rust belt and early. That would throw Bush into full blown panic mode. You really can't win this election without getting at least a couple of major population centers outside of Texas.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:52 PM
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12. All of the rest of the states are listed in
Edited on Sat Mar-20-04 12:03 AM by Nicholas_J
Too close to call, indicating that statistically all of the other states could go either way.

Best place to check for that is:

http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/CurrentPolls.htm

It breaks down the states in which polling has been done and colors the states blue for dem, red for repub and green for those which are too close to tell.

I forgot to add in Maryland which is a firm blue state with an additional ten electoral votes for Kerry brining up his sure electoral votes to 134, which is only one electoral vote less than of half of the votes needed to win the election. This gives Kerry a great lead from the start, With Michigan and Ohio this places him with 182 electoral votes and if he also is ahead in Pennsylvania this gives him 203 electoral votes , only 67 shy of winning the presidency, with one third of the states voting for him. He is playing the electoral college strategy very well. Bush is running upstream against Kerry and it does not look like he will be able to get those states in which Kerry has the 134 electaoral votes to change their minds. Kerry has a very comfortable lead in the electoral college at this point and it does not matter if Kerry wins a state by one vote or 100,000, if he wins it he wins it, so his strategy of winning without the South seems to be playing very well as Kerry is hitting high in those states with the heaviest populations and largenst amounts of electoral votes. Wouldnt it it be something if Bush won the popular vote, but Kerry took the presidency on the basis of the electoral college?

Bush is also way ahead in Arizona in the SUSA polls with ten electoral votes thoughit is still listed as too close to call.

Bush does not seem to be picking up electoral votes in the heavily populated states which carry the highest number of electoral votes and Kerry is playing very well in those states.

The latest SUSA poll also has Kerry winning Pennsylvania which give him 21 electoral votes. So as it stands right now Bush is only certain of 55 electoral votes with Kerry holding 203, a rather large differential. Clinton is coming out in defense of Richard Clarkes expose of BUsh's failure to heed warnings about Al Qaeda in the 8 months prior to 9/11 and this could totally destroy the only thing that the swing voters hold Bush ahead of Kerry in at this point, national defense. If the swing voters look at the testimny given that indicates Bush had a great deal of warning that 9/11 was going to happen and ignired those warnings, it is all but over for Bush.

THis is how Clinton is going to defend his own record of dealing with terrorism while giving Bush a solid kick in the crotch.
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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 01:09 AM
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14. Actually
Most of the other states are listed as no polling data available. Everyone knows the republican party cleans up in states with no polling data available!

Seriously, there's a reason there isn't polling data available for these states: nobody really believes them to be in play, so why bother. The map shows 24 states without polling data, and I don't see Kerry pulling more than 7, and none of them are sure things. He's got a reasonable shot at Maine, NH, Missouri, NM and Wisconsin. Locked up DC. Not sure about Delaware. The rest are fairly safely red. Red enough that Kerry probably won't contest them that hard.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 08:40 PM
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15. One imporatant state which is in play
Is Texas, and that is not a sure thing for Bush at this point.

The facts are still that Kerry does have a sure 134 electoral votes in a number of very heavy electotal vote states, While BUsh is not a sure thing in those states. Kerry is likely to lock up the rust belt staeswhich have been seriously hurt by Bush and there are indications that some of the Southern States like South Carolina are not going to be as easy a win for Bush as previously thought. A number of states in which Bush has also been sene to be a shoe in have recently seen upsets in elections for Congressional seats in which the REpublican candidate advertised themselves as closely aligned with Bush and those incumbent candidates lost to their Democratic Rivals. A good number of those states in which no polls have been taken are not Red States but clearly blue, Like West Virginia.

Polls from this past week show Kerry ahead of Bush in Pennsylvania.

AS the web site I posted Indicates, Kerry is sitting on top of even more electoral votes than I indicated at 134, DC's site indicates that Kerry has 165 sure electoral votes in staes that are either firmly Democrat or strongly leaning that way, While Bush is only has a sure 55 electoral votes right now.

In undecided states right now Kerry is ahead in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the three most recent newspaper polls in Minnesota show Kerry ahead of Bush beyond those polls margins of error, most recent polls from yesterday. Kerry isl likely to rin ahead of Bush IN New Mexico as well, but the most important states for Kerry are the ones that are running close, but which he is already ahead in.

In a very recent analysis of the electoral college right now the elecroral college is tallying very close, in fact in a dead heat with both Kerry and Bush having 269 electoral votes, each one within one electoral vote of winning the election.

Ads, Polls and an Electoral College Tie
Exclusive commentary by CK Rairden



Mar 17, 2004


...Even within these ‘swing states’ there are solid party line voters. That means the campaigns will be hammering away at independent voters in the key battle zone states. A king’s ransom of campaign cash will be spent to sway this group and deliver the presidency to someone.

Or will it?

Okay--more numbers. For the swing states, if a poll is within the margin of error, or there is no polling data, that state stays with the party that won it in 2000. So far that is all of the states with the exception of two small states with a total of nine Electoral College votes. New Hampshire and West Virginia. A University of New Hampshire poll in February gave Kerry a huge 15-point lead. While West Virginia has had no public polling released yet, I contacted a political consultant in the state who had seen internal polls that gave Kerry an 8-point lead. And that makes sense with the tough economic times that state has seen

Okay--more numbers. For the swing states, if a poll is within the margin of error, or there is no polling data, that state stays with the party that won it in 2000. So far that is all of the states with the exception of two small states with a total of nine Electoral College votes. New Hampshire and West Virginia. A University of New Hampshire poll in February gave Kerry a huge 15-point lead. While West Virginia has had no public polling released yet, I contacted a political consultant in the state who had seen internal polls that gave Kerry an 8-point lead. And that makes sense with the tough economic times that state has seen.

Crunching those numbers right now shows a dead heat. Literally. It is entirely feasible that at this point in the race John Kerry has 269 Electoral College votes leaning his way and President Bush tallies the same exact number leaning to his side. That leaves a tally of 269-269, but it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_8453.shtmlhttp://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_8453.shtml


I really dont know if the Washington Dispatch is a conservative of liberal source, but if conservative adn the analysis of the states is correct, then Kerry is doing extremely well against an incumbent president.

But again, right now things are looking rather in Kerry's favor. While Kerry is seeing his favorability rating erode a bit, in most individual state polls. BUsh's favorability rating are eroding by similar figures. And while Bush is doing better in a few polls against Kerry right now, BUsh's favorability rating are falling to even lower levels in most polls, and he is only increasing in a few polls. As the dispatch articles indicate in states where there is no polling data, some of these states are not being considered in play. But some staes have recent polling data which indicate that Kerry is doing better than Bush in several states that Bush won in 2000.

It seems to be a very close race by the information in the dispatc article. But if you look at other data that is not incliuded in the dispatch article, states that the author gove to Bush, such as Arizona are going to Bush, but other staes whhich were assumed to be going to Bush are going to Kerry in later polls.

The Dispatch Article noted that there are 12 strong democratic states that Kerry can absolutely rely on which would give him 173 electoral votes. With Bush having 183 electoral votes in 21 states. But several of the states that were included in the Republican leaning states which are being given to Bush to result in those 183 votes are right now leaning towards Kerry. One state that was given to Bush to get that 183 vote figure is Ohio, which the lates polls give to Kerry. So zap 21 electoral votes from Bush and add them onto Kerry, Droping Bush to 162 electoral voted, and Kery up to 194.

I actually think that before this is over, Kerry is going to take several of the states that Bush won in 2000, nost important, it seriously looks like Kerry will take Ohio, and without Ohio, Bush cannot win the nomination unless he can take away one of the 12 very strong democratic states from Kerry which does not look like it is going to happen.

I think that Bush is going to lose many of the states that he barely won in 2000, and in the states near the great lakes or bordering them, he will lose to Kerry, close losses but losses. I think he will take Indiana, but lose Michigan, Ohio, Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

Recent events in Kentucky may even lean that stae towards Kerry over Bush. And it may be very likely for Kerry to take Tennessee.

Going over the data that is coming in from sstates that are doing polling, plus, lookng at events in states that have not yet done so, the results in electoral college votes are a great deal closer than the one single CBS/New York Times polls would indicate.

The map referred to has Kerry surely pulling 10 states, and recent polls show that a number of the states that are too close to call are polling with Kerry ahead of Bush. IN fact, Kerry IS currently polling ahead of Bush in a number of the states that are considered too close to call. The clearest indication of this is that the Bush campaign is coming out so very early with attack ads on Kerry. They are sincerely worried about the electoral college data, and the fact that Kerry is doing better than Bush in states Bush won in 2000 that are very heavily leaded with electoral votes. I would rather see Bush take a state with 4 electoral votes from Kerry, and have Kerry take a state like Ohio with 21 Electoral votes. Bush has been heavily advertising in Ohio, and it has not effected Kerry's lead in that state one whit.Or in any of the other states that is heavily loded with electoral votes. As noted Kerry is very strong in 12 states in which he is pulling 165 electoral votes.

If Kerry takes Ohio with 20, Florida with 27, Michigan with 17, Pennslvania with 21, and Minnesota with 10, Kerry gives Kerry 260 electoral votes from 15 states. Ten more is all Kerry would need at this point is ten more electoral voted to win the presidency.

Right now Kerry is ahead in all of the states noted above.



Kerry also has shown that he has significant ability and is more highly favored in states with higher populations and higher electoral vote counts. In states like Ohio which have been hard hit by Bush's economic policies, Kerry stands a very good chance to win states Bush won in 2000. With a handful of states beyond the 10 that are firmly in Democratic hands and are firmly supporting Kerry, Kerry can easily win with an electoral college strategy even if he were to lose the popular vote, (Which seems to be unliely either, as he is carrying some very heavily populated states).

On the electoral map, there are nine states that are too close to call, but these states have 130 Electoral Votes, and Kery is ahead in 5 of those states which have the largest numbers of electoral votes right now by polls. The same Rasmussen polls which put Kerry ahead of Bush in Ohio have Kerry ahead in:

Florida:

Bush 45% Kerry 48% other 2% Rasmussen Reports 3/1-13/04 5%


Michigan:

Bush 44% Kerry 48% other 3% Rasmussesn Research 3/14-16/04 4.5%


Pennsylvania: (close but Kerry still ahead)

Bush 44% Kerry 45% other 5% Rasmussen Reports 3/14-16/04 4.5%

Ohio:

Bush 41% Kerry 45% other 4% Rasmussen Reports 3/14-16/04 4.5%

Oddly enough there is one state that is very very close which is all Kerry would need to take to win the election, yet Kerry alone of the major democratic candidates has one factor in his favor which is indicating that this state is beginning to lean away from Bush and towards Kerry. That is New Jersey with its 15 electoral votes and extremely heavy Catholic population. In fact one of the factos in Kerry lead in the too clsoe to count states listed above is that they have a larger than average Catholic Population. For Example:

Catholics make up 23 percent in Michigan, 29 percent in Pennsylvania and nearly 32 percent in Wisconsin. Though there is some question about Catholic Bishops attempting to hold Catholic Politicians accountable for their political decisions, this does not seem to be effecting the Catholic Vote against Kerry. In the primaries, the Catholic vote was very, very important in Kerry winning the nomination.

New Jersey is another heavily Catholic State, as is Florida is another reason Kerry is ahead of Bush in Florida right now)In fact all of the most important swing states have the highest Catholic Populations. Missouri is another one of these,but Missouri in the last polls taken leans very favorably towards Bush.

So Kerry has to maintain his lead in Ohio, PA, Michigan,Florida, and then either win New Jersey, a good chance, or Wisconsin, along with lets say West Virginia another very likely stae, To win. Kerry's fight for electoral votes right now seems to be less of a battle than Bush's.

Given Kerry's 165 electoral votes in ten very large states, all he needs is those five other swing states noted to win the election. He is certainly ahead of Bush right now in 4 of them. Wisconsin or New Jersey with the four states noted above wins the election for Kerry.

In the last poll taken in any Democrat was very very far ahead of Bush, with Bush Taking 38 percent of the vote and any Generic Democrat taking 54 percent as of early February.

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Caromill Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:29 AM
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19. I'm sorry, but Texas is NOT in play
I'm a Texan and TRUST ME, there is NO WAY that Kerry will win Texas. I wish that weren't true, but it is. The only parts of Texas that will go Democratic are El Paso and possibly Brownsville, but that's it. We need to be realistic. Texas is full of bigoted rednecks, Fundamentalist Christians, and big business interests -- and they ALL vote.

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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:37 AM
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20. Last poll I saw
Had Bush at 55 and Kerry at 43 to 45.

That's surprisingly close, but I don't know that it could go to Kerry.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 12:58 AM
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13. To the Republican list add:
Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska

Mississippi, Alabama,South Carolina, Virginia

& don't forget Texas.

I don't have a map in front of me, so this is a partial list.

There are 17 or 18 battleground states; the rest are pretty solid.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 05:25 PM
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9. Forget Rasmussen - unreliable automated poll.
I hope Kerry is ahead in Ohio and he may be. But I am not going to take Rasmussen's word on it. He had the worst record of any of the national polling firms in 2000. He uses an automated telephone polling method which is unreliable, as there is no way of knowing who is answering the questions or whether they are taking the poll seriously or not. Ask yourself, who is going to sit on the phone and answer an automed poll? A ten year old kid might do it for entertainment.
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:35 PM
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17. Ohio may be leaning strongly Dem this year, and this poll isn't showing it
In my Congressional District alone, 5,000 republicans SWITCHED parties, voted the full Dem slate and issues on March 2nd. Many of these showed up for our Annual fundraiser and contributed CASH (Wes Clark was the keynote speaker, but his flight from LR as cancelled at the last minute).

The winds of change are blowing in Ohio--250,000 jobs LOST forever, taxes increases at an unbelievable rate (Thanks Dumya! You cut the Fed tax, and the State & Local taxes shoot through the roof!), and lots of veterans and military pissed off at what is going on in the world. Lets not even mention the unions...

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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 10:13 PM
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10. That is terrific
There is no conceivable way that Bush can win without Ohio.
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KerryEdwards Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:24 AM
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18. Looks like Bush is fighting an uphill battle in a must win state for him
Unlike the Repukes we Dems are in offense, holding teh Blue states and doing well in some red states (NH, AZ, OH, fL come to mind).

The electoral map favors us right now and we'd definately win if the election were held today.
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