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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:03 PM
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Every sentence Obama utters has a noun, a verb and the word "hope" or "change."
Sometimes I have to wonder whether Barack Obama is running for the presidency or trying for the 'Evangelist Of The Year' trophy. Others speculate about the unquestioning, cult-like nature of Obama's support and also the weirdness factor of the Obama campaign.

Sophisticated commentary now notes the growing creepiness of the Obama campaign: It's aversion to substantive policy discussions. The sermonizing -- "In the face of despair, we believe there can be hope." And the messianic bit -- "At this moment in the election there is something happening in America." (That would be he.) Volunteer trainees at Camp Obama are told not to talk issues with voters, but to offer personal testimony about how they "came" to Obama or just keep repeating hope, change, believe. Makes the skin crawl.

I would have to note that people who relentlessly scrutinize Hillary Clinton under a microscope and fault her if she says the sun is shining (their question -- Does she hate the night because it is dark and she is against the dark because she is a racist?) give Barack Obama (and his wife) a free pass on everything, no matter WHAT they say. If anyone posts one of Obama's direct quotes (along with the link to the quote), one is being mean and unfair to Barack, and negative. Don't DARE question! Are you a racist or something? They keep beating up Hillary over her HUSBAND'S NAFTA history. But deftly avoiding the fact that Obama voted
FOR NAFTA. http://tinyurl.com/29rovu -- http://tinyurl.com/2qn59q

When one tries to discuss Obama's past record in the Illinois state senate or his non-record in the U.S. Senate, the Obama supporters will say they LIKE the idea that he is "unencumbered" by any Washington experience. Well, I would have to say that is a first in presidential politics. Even John F. Kennedy to whom Obama is routinely compared, and said to be the reincarnation of, had a 14-year long stint in Congress before running for the presidency. True, Abraham Lincoln did not have a long recored in Washington, but PLEASE do not tell me Barack Obama is the new Abraham Lincoln -- he is not.

As an Illinois state senator, Barack Obama did NOT fight to bring universal health care to the residents of Illinois, and he is NOT fighting now to bring universal health care to all Americans. While a state senator in Illinois, Barack Obama CAVED to the insurance lobbyists who loved him so much for his surrender that they gave freely to his campaign when he ran for the U.S. Senate, hoping and expecting he would do them the same favors there. And he has. He is leaving 15 million people off the rolls of those who would have health care insurance under his plan. His starting point leaves out 15 million Americans; by the time Obama would get through the necessary negotiations, the number of Americans with health care insurance would be reduced some more -- in order to please Obama's lobbyist friends (who are now serving as his campaign staff advisors). See "No Ban on Lobbyists as Advisers for Obama" at: http://tinyurl.com/3dht9k

And, there is this ...Lobbyists praised Obama for taking the insurance industry's concerns into consideration ... Obama later watered down the bill after hearing from insurers.. Obama also collected money from the insurance industry and its lobbyists for his successful US Senate campaign in 2004. http://tinyurl.com/2mze5u

While it is true that Barack Obama says he is against the Yucca Mountain Project for storing the nation's nuclear waste, it is also true that one of his most generous backers is Exelon CEO John Rowe (the second-largest contributor to Obama's presidential campaign). Exelon executives and employees have given $161,000 to Obama's presidential bid. He's received an additional $86,000 since 1998 from Exelon's political action committee, employees and predecessor, Commonwealth Edison. Obama got money from the company in his 1998 bid for the Illinois state Senate and for his failed 2000 congressional campaign. Exelon also donated to Obama's PAC and his successful 2004 U.S. Senate bid.

As of Feb. 5, 2008, Obama has collected at least $222,000 from Exelon Corporation executives and employees for his presidential campaign. Maybe that's why Obama didn't bring up Yucca Mountain during his big public rally in Las Vegas in February. http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/7509662.html

Exelon Corp. is the nation's largest NUCLEAR power operator.

Here was Obama campaigning in 2003 and 2004 -- long AFTER the Iraq war started (March 2003) -- saying he would NOT have voted to fund the war. Of course we now know he later went on to vote FOR every Iraq war funding bill Hillary did. Obama talks one way, votes the other. The Boston Globe reported on March 22, 2007: As a candidate for his Senate seat in 2003 and 2004, Obama said repeatedly that he WOULD HAVE voted AGAINST an $87 billion war budget that had been requested by President Bush.

"When I was asked, 'Would I have voted FOR the $87 billion,' I said 'NO,' " Obama said in a speech before a Democratic community group in suburban Chicago in November 2003. "I said 'no' UNEQUIVOCALLY because, at a certain point, we HAVE to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we're not going to stand a chance." Yet Obama HAS voted FOR ALL of the president's WAR FUNDING requests since coming to the Senate, and is poised to vote in favor of the latest request when it comes to the Senate floor this spring. Liberal groups
have demanded that lawmakers cut off funds for the war as a way to force its end, but Obama has joined most Democrats in the House and Senate in saying he would not take such a move. http://tinyurl.com/2cjnxb

Later that spring, May 24, 2007, BOTH Obama and Hillary voted "no" on additional Iraq war funding. http://tinyurl.com/2fmr2v

Calling the Obama campaign a "movement" is just silly. Barack Obama is running for president and is doing his best to attract supporters. There is no "movement" here. The civil rights movement was a "movement"; this is a presidential campaign and nothing more.

Obama is not the black Messiah. He is not the black Abraham Lincoln. He is not the black Thomas Jefferson. And he is not the black JFK. Obama is who he is -- a guy running for the presidency, nothing more and nothing
less.

Barack Obama cannot just say,"Change!" and the culture in Washington will change. (Obama didn't change the culture in the Illinois state legislature when he was there, did he?). Obama's talks at rallies are starting to sound reminiscent of Joe Biden's description of Rudy Giuliani's (to paraphrase): Every sentence Obama utters has a noun, a verb and the word "hope" or "change."

I get the creeps when Obama says, ""We are the ones we've been waiting for." Is he kidding? Are the Obama supporters The Chosen Ones and the rest of us are the damned, and on our way to Hell? This is beginning to sound like the Rapture talk most of us have scoffed at for years. As Obama supporter Kathleen Geier says to fellow Obama supporters, "Get a grip..."

The supporters take on the personality of the candidate. Obama supporters in here are the most insulting, immature children I've seen. They insult everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with them, curse them out, hijack threads and the like. Frankly, I think most of them are repukes/freepers who just came here to cause disruption/trouble within the party and make sure the empty suit reigns. McCain can beat this guy by not even showing up. Your behavior is pushing people away, and making people not want to vote for this guy. By extension, you are making people dislike, and even hate him. The Obamaites are like a pack of wolves screaming everyone into submission who doesn't agree with them, therefore making it appear that there are more of them than anyone else. Mob mentality. It's like the LA riots on paper.

You should all take a step back and take a look at yourselves and your hideous behavior, the way you curse at people, belittle people, laugh at people, simply because they don't agree with you and your wacked out sense of worship. Would you empty your bank accounts, quit your jobs, sell your houses?

Don't stop repeating BELIEVE, cause Tinkerbell will die is you don't.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:04 PM
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1. Good post from someone who has their messiah's face as their avatar.
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Ano Genitus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:05 PM
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2. I don't think you thought that user name through before you chose it!
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:17 PM
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16. LOL! Nice catch. Oh, the irony... (n/t)
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:54 PM
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45. Maybe this is one of those paid hillary supporters...
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:05 PM
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3. Actually, he leaves out the verb most of the time.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:06 PM
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4. Plagiarist!! No... DOUBLE Plagiarist!!
(That's when you plagiarize from a plagiarist...)

NGU.


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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:07 PM
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5. I couldn't even get past your stupid subject line.
No point in reading your post when you declare EVERY sentence....blah blah blah.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:08 PM
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6. letting the people breaking free of tyranny of Bush is a bit long so..
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:08 PM by bambino
he says change and hope
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:08 PM
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7. Obama 2008
"Don't stop repeating BELIEVE, cause Tinkerbell will die is you don't"

i don't get it???

is you die?

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:08 PM
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8. You seem embittered.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:08 PM
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9. yaaaaaaaaaaawn
streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch...


*taps foot, and leaves.*
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:10 PM
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10. Even if true, is that a bad thing?
Isn't it just terrible when someone has a vision? The nerve of him, talking about "change" and "hope". Doesn't that make him sound like a civil rights activist?

Oh that's right, he is a civil rights activist, isn't he?

Bet you'd love to just squash that "dream", wouldn't you?
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:11 PM
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11. Awesome!!!!1!
I'm kind of enamored how H. Clinton's campaign is now biting wholesale the same rhetoric that worked out so splendidly for Bob Dole against B. Clinton.

"EXPERIENCE! EXPERIENCE! EXPERIENCE YOU STUPID FUCKING CHILDREN! WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT EXPERIENCE?!"
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:22 PM
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22. that made me laugh. I remember the Dole campaign. very similar
he also felt the office was owed to him.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:11 PM
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12. Boy, you sure have an ironic username for this post.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:15 PM
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48. Did you happen to read the garbage contained within?
It's :puke: worthy.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:12 PM
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13. Go Hillary ! NO MORE HOPE !!
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM
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14. No We Can't! Say it with me... No We Can't!
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:17 PM
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15. The whole thing is a sham
It's hard to believe people are willing to risk their future on lofty rhetoric.

Btw, what are St. Obama's other "transformations"? Is this his first such attempt at being a transformative figure? And I'm not talking about "community organizing" or his fairly mundane/brief Senate record.

This is a MOVEMENT!-- Surely there is some precedent.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:18 PM
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17. Hillary has 35 years of experience! Let's include her role as wife to Bill as governor and president
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:19 PM
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18. a sham that just kicked the Clinton machine's ass!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:20 PM
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21. Without breaking a sweat.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
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23. *snortsnicker* Indeed !
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:19 PM
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19. It takes a Clinton to Pardon a Bush!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:19 PM
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20. TRUE THAT!
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
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24. That's funny, because every complaint about Obama says the same damn thing over and over.
I'm not strongly supporting either Dem but damn Clinton fanatics (and Obama fanatics, too) sound like broken records.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:27 PM
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25. Those complaints are just words.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:29 PM
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27. Well, they all need to start thinking of new ones.
I can't wait for this election to be over.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:27 PM
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26. This paragraph makes me dismiss everything else you wrote and put you on ignore.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:40 PM by Political Heretic

The supporters take on the personality of the candidate. Obama supporters in here are the most insulting, immature children I've seen. They insult everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with them, curse them out, hijack threads and the like. Frankly, I think most of them are repukes/freepers who just came here to cause disruption/trouble within the party and make sure the empty suit reigns. McCain can beat this guy by not even showing up. Your behavior is pushing people away, and making people not want to vote for this guy. By extension, you are making people dislike, and even hate him. The Obamaites are like a pack of wolves screaming everyone into submission who doesn't agree with them, therefore making it appear that there are more of them than anyone else. Mob mentality. It's like the LA riots on paper.


I've officially decided that people who make sweeping generalizations full of insults against an entire group of people without qualification go on my ignore list. I'm sick of it.

I'm a thirty year old professional. I have two degrees, I've worked as a project manager for six years of my life the high tech world, I've also worked as a community organizer for the ACLU and as a campaign manager for a statewide campaign, and I have an IQ of one hundred and forty two. I am not stupid, nor am I a child, nor am I too ignorant or gullible, nor am I part of a cult. I'm not perfect but I've worked hard here to police my own Obama supporters who get out of line, and I've seen every bit as much bad behavior from SOME Clinton supporters as anyone else.

I'm sick of being insulted. And in the last month I have seen more vile crap spewn by people on the Clinton side than anywhere else - much of it perpetuating this particular "meme" (yeah I broke the moratorium) that Obama supporters are all so horrible and disgusting, and USING that as a sneaky way to get away with acting horrible and disgusting themselves.

I've had enough of it.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:35 PM
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29. damn
you beat me by one, last time I tested. but that was years and years ago. Being 50, with two BAs a JD, and fine arts in sculpture, I have to say, you caught it like a digital 10.7 megapixel camera with this:

"I'm had enough of it"
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:36 PM
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31. Very nicely put.
Kudos.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:52 PM
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44. Damn fucking straight!!!
:pals:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:30 PM
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28. HOOT---that is sooooooo true. ha ha
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:32 PM by rodeodance
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:36 PM
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30. Did any of you Obamites READ this post from beginning to end...or
did you just react with your regular insults and blind faith?
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:38 PM
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33. I'm not an "Obamite," I don't have blind faith in ANYTHING, and I did read the OP
from beginning to end. I think you ALL need to give it a freaking rest already.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:00 PM
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47. I did happen to read his insulting broadbrush attacks on all DUer's who support Obama...
and I'm sorry, but if he wanted any of us to listen to him...that's not going to do it.
It just makes him look like a hypocritical judgemental asshole.
Or perhaps I should gratefully thank this wise poster for his insult...i mean insight into how I'm the most immature childish person he's ever encountered. You know, me and all of the other thousands of Obama supporters on DU.
How the hell is spitting in my face raising the level of discourse?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:38 PM
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32. Every year Bill was in office he continued the protection of BushInc.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html


Not to mention that 3 week book tour he had in summer of 2044 defending Bush for his decisions on terrorism and Iraq war the entire time.
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:40 PM
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34. Good job! But narcissistic people see only their perfect reflection (at first)
and rage at anyone who tries to "break the mirror" (introduce another point of view) of perfection.
And the latest study late last year demonstrated that just over 40% of college students suffer from narcissism.

Oh, what a sea change over the past decade.

If you list the qualities Obama supporters adore Obama for, and then figure out what the opposite of those would be, you get all the negative adjectives attached to Hillary Clinton. And many Obama supporters believe they have a clear vision of reality!

Perfection is not necessary. No one is perfect. Not me, not Obama, not you, not Clinton, nobody but God--and Obama is not the messiah.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:40 PM
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35. Are you going to vote for Guiliani? Because that's what it sounds like.
Maybe you should wait until he gets the nomination before you endorse him.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:40 PM
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36. Take a close look at your username and get back to me, champ.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:41 PM
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37. Divide and Conquer!!!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:41 PM
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38. "I hope you change your mind."
Love,

Barack
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:41 PM
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39. But, but, but.................
Racism is not tolerated, but sexism is. No one here can make fun of Obama as a black man, but people here on DU make fun of Clinton as a woman, ALL THE TIME. A double standard? You betcha!

zalinda
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:44 PM
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40. Scoreboard. - nt
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:46 PM
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41. I very much hope that we do have a change
and I'm glad for hope. Nouns and verbs are good for constructing complete sentences. Repeating a phrase often enough will get the message through. I see no problem with any of it but then again I'm not hypercritical of him either.

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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:46 PM
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42. I notice you believe anything
Take a look at the truth stretching on Hill's new site

http://www.delegatehub.com/

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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:48 PM
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43. The Clinton Crusade's message is simple: "Don't get your hopes up!"
A Crusader, huh? Not a lot of good associated with that.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:56 PM
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46. And your disgustingly idiotic broadbrush of all Obama supporters? How does that make you look?
I'm sick of some of you Hillary supporters and your fucking high horse attitude.
Police the filth that you post before you get all high and mighty and judgemental.

"Obama supporters in here are the most insulting, immature children I've seen"

"You should all take a step back and take a look at yourselves and your hideous behavior, the way you curse at people, belittle people, laugh at people, simply because they don't agree with you and your wacked out sense of worship. Would you empty your bank accounts, quit your jobs, sell your houses?"

These two statements are so fucking hypocritical it makes me want to either :rofl: or :puke:.
Seriously. Get off that high horse. You look like a fool on it.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:50 PM
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49. Every sentence...
I won't address all the substantive issues you bring up (and thank you for doing so.) I think there are plenty of responses to each of these matters already posted. But I would like to address the issue of Obama's campaign style and rhetoric.

You obviously have a visceral reaction against anything that remotely smacks of "religion." Given how the right has twisted religion in the past forty years to serve their own ends, that is understandable. But I would ask you to consider the following:

Rhetoric is a dying art-form in this country, due to the illiteracy fostered by modern media and our inadequate eductional system. There was a time when a politician was expected to be a master orator, but people under the age of forty in this country have never experienced that. Just about the only arena in which the power of speech is still fostered and valued is the churches, most particularly the black churches.

So of course, Obama's speeches evoke the style and power of a great black preacher, and people respond to that. For older people like me, it is a return to the style of our youth, when politicians weren't afraid to express themselves with poetic eloquence. For young people, it is a new discovery, and they are revelling in the inspirational power of a great speaker. For black church-goers, it is a marrying of their native oratorical style with a political message, and they respond, just as they responded when Martin Luther King did the same thing.

You seem to be turned-off by the very style of Obama's speeches and the way the crowds react, as much as by the substance. You fear the emotional manipulation inherent in that style. You shouldn't. People don't stop thinking just because they are moved. On the contrary, they are more likely to become deeply engaged on all levels, including the intellectual, when they are moved.

What you need to be concerned about is the content of the message, and the record of the messenger. Your detailed post shows you are, and I appreciate that. But does anything you cite suggest we are dealing with some kind of demogogue, as you seem to imply? I don't think so.

I think you are also frustrated by the fact that your candidate just isn't able to provoke the same kind of response. Understandable. But the plain fact is, as an orator, Clinton is a shipwreck. Her voice is annoying, and she has no gift for rhetoric. Further, her entire career has been about manipulating events from on high, not building vast coalitions of people. She knows her gifts, and she has used them artfully. But she lacks the talents needed to go up against this kind of an opponent. Her husband had such talents, and I don't remember anyone attacking him for them. He wasn't on Obama's level as a speaker, but compared to his opponents, he seemed amazing. And that was appreciated.

I see that all this is frustrating for you. But it seems rather small to attack Obama for his strengths. Surely it would be more productive to acknowledge them and focus on those areas where your own candidate is superior, as you see them.

Personally, I am fully willing to admit that Obama is not ideal, either in his policies or his record. But he has something far more important at this critical juncture in our history: the ability to inspire and lead. If we don't affect major changes in our society over the next eight years, we are doomed, not only as a nation, but as a species. We can't afford another term wasted on partisan wrangling and deadlock. How can anyone doubt that a figure as disliked and uninspiring as Hillary would lead to just that? If she could be elected at all, which I highly doubt.

There is more to being a great leader than being right on every issue. There is passion, there is charisma, there is commitment to change. I see all that in spades when I look at Obama. When I look at Hillary, I see more of the same. And the same will kill us.

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