Hillary has accomplished 10x more in the Senate than Obama (debunking the latest smoke and mirrors)

[jackson_dem]

Once again the "hope and change" Axlerod machine is relying on smoke and mirrors to deceive voters. The latest round has two prongs. The first misrepresents Hillary's record and the second prong uses the most lax formula possible for Obama, even though the most strict one is used for Hillary in the same talking point, to fudge his record. The two are then juxtaposed together without explaining the rigging. This is the kind of "change" and "new kind of politics" you can expect from an "uncommon leader" who is "authentic" and honest.

Since Hillary has been in the Senate twice as long as Obama it is fair to say she has been five times as productive, not ten times as productive. If you look at how much money they were able to bring back to their state you once again see a similar ratio with Hillary being far more effective.

2/13/2008 5:41:09 PM

There is an email circulating that grossly misrepresents Hillary's legislative record, as well as the record of Sen. Obama. (Various versions appear on the Obama campaign website here, here, and here.)

The email only gives Hillary credit for bills where she was the original sponsor and have also been signed into law. Here are the facts. In her time in the Senate, Hillary has sponsored 21 bills that have become law including:

— a bill that extended the availability of unemployment assistance.

— a bill which established a program to assist family caregivers.

— a bill that provided benefits to public safety officers who were killed or injured during the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

But Hillary's accomplishments in the Senate are not limited to bill sponsorships. Among her many other legislative accomplishments:

— Hillary worked with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to expand access to health care for the National Guard and Reserve.

— Hillary passed an amendment that created a national program for teacher and principal training and recruitment.

— Hillary used Senate rules to force the Bush administration to make emergency contraception, also known as Plan B, available over the counter.

Meanwhile, the email gives Sen. Obama credit for every bill he introduced or signed on as a co-sponsor, whether or not they became law. The reality is, since Sen. Obama joined the Senate (applying the same standard the email applies to Hillary) he has sponsored two bills that have become law:

— a bill that sought to promote democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
— a bill that named a post office.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5960

[scheming daemons]

1. And she'll do 10X more in the senate too... since she'll be there for a while...

...

[XemaSab]

3. *snap*

:D

[jackson_dem]

4. I didn't expect an Obamite to admit that, once again, the Axlerod/Obama machine is relying on lies

If Obama is so great why so much reliance on smoke and mirrors?

[Mags]

39. You might as well give it up. They are blindly following Obama, and

they would follow him over a bluff , if need be.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

41. 10 X more wars? Iran to be Hillary's next accomplishment? n/t

[rodeodance]

137. Throwing in the kitchen sick does nothing to help a discussion.

[AlertLurker]

86. Because his Senate record is so full of "DID NOT VOTE."

Importnt votes from Obama's voting record:
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions - DID NOT VOTE
09/06/2007 Prohibiting U.S. Assistance for Groups that Support Coercive Abortion - DID NOT VOTE
06/22/2006 Defense Department FY 2007 Authorization bill - Voted Y
10/26/2005 Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Funding Amendment - N
04/18/2005 Future Military Funding for Iraq Amendment - DID NOT VOTE
11/01/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) - DID NOT VOTE
10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions - DID NOT VOTE
10/03/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations - DID NOT VOTE
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 - DID NOT VOTE
09/10/2007 Bridge Repair Funding - DID NOT VOTE
07/26/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act - DID NOT VOTE
07/26/2007 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations - DID NOT VOTE
07/26/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations - DID NOT VOTE
07/26/2007 REAL ID Funding - DID NOT VOTE
09/07/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants - DID NOT VOTE
07/20/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants - DID NOT VOTE
10/30/2007 Amtrak Reauthorization - DID NOT VOTE
05/07/2007 FDA Drug Import Certification Amendment - DID NOT VOTE
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees - DID NOT VOTE
06/06/2007 Denying Legal Status for Immigrants Convicted of Certain Crimes - N
06/14/2007 Offshore Drilling in Virginia - DID NOT VOTE
11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 - DID NOT VOTE
09/06/2007 Prohibiting U.S. Assistance for Groups that Support Coercive Abortion - DID NOT VOTE
10/31/2006 Secure Fence Act of 2006 - Voted Y
09/26/2007 Expressing the Sense of Congress Regarding Federalism in Iraq - DID NOT VOTE
09/26/2007 Expressing the Sense of Congress Regarding Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps - DID NOT VOTE
03/02/2006 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization - Voted Y
06/07/2006 Same Sex Marriage Resolution - Voted N
06/29/2006 U.S. -Oman Free Trade Agreement - Voted Y

The bills he actually voted on tell a different story to the official story the zombie children of planet Barak Obamoid tend to spew...

[indimuse]

107. cowardice pattern...

present!

[libbygurl]

97. Ha!. nt

[adabfree]

71. oh snap!

:rofl: :yourock:

[roguevalley]

87. This is all well and good but the bottom line is people are voting

for whom they desire and how can that be bad? If this is about choice and democracy, then people should allow people to choose who they wish.

[BuyingThyme]

2. Mission Accomplished.

[KittyWampus]

5. she hasn't accomplished much as a Presidential candidate. And she didn't do much as private citizen.

And she's missed a huge amount of votes this past year in the Senate.

But kudos to her for past legislative accomplishments.

[jackson_dem]

9. She did a lot as a private citizen. That myth was debunked yesterday

Yes, Hillary has not run as effective a campaign as Axlerod. And? Bush ran a more effective campaign than Kerry. Does that mean he is a superior president than Kerry would have been?

Is any Obamite honest enough to admit their hero's campaign is lying?

[goodgd_yall]

25. Apparently not

His supporters who have been passing off the misleading information about Obama's vs. Clinton's record don't seem to have the integrity they profess their candidate has.

[displacedtexan]

106. As a private citizen, she sat at the Watergate prosecutors' table.

Why do you think Repukes hate her so much?

[rodeodance]

140. know your facts before Spouting off and you not come across so foolish. Making

the claim is idiocy.


she hasn't accomplished much as a Presidential candidate. And she didn't do much as private citizen.
Posted by cryingshame


And she's missed a huge amount of votes this past year in the Senate.

But kudos to her for past legislative accomplishments.

[SoFlaJet]

6. yea and we'll get to see her

even more since she won't be the nominee-hopefully she doesn't give Bush any more war resolutions before the 110th congress is done

[jackson_dem]

10. You believe Kyl-Lieberman was a war resolution?

[SoFlaJet]

65. what I think doesn't matter

it matters what George Bush and Dick Cheney think it is and if they nuke Iran how will Clinton explain THAT one away? By saying she "didn't think they'd use it as such"? As John Edwards said to her in the next to last debate how naive is that?

[jackson_dem]

69. So why didn't Obama think a war vote was important enough to vote on?

Obama himself called it a vote for war--after he said nothing during the floor debate, issued no press release, said nothing on the stump about it, skipped the vote, and in the presidential debate the same night of the vote didn't mention it all even though he was asked about Iran and Edwards and Gravel--unprompted in each case--attacked Hillary for it.

[iconocrastic]

34. Question is, will she join the staff of MSNBC after all the bad blood with them?

Looking ahead, what's the use of a Senate seat if it's not a stepping stone to the Presidency?

Political commentary?

She'll never make it as a motivational speaker. Too depressing, all she can do is attack.

[Johnny__Motown]

7. Like her flag burning bill? oh wait, even repugs wouldn't vote for that crap

[jackson_dem]

11. What is Obama's position on flag burning?

Barack that is...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Barack Obama brought this up in a speech last night.

"you'll have a president who respects the constitution, believes in the constitution and will obey the constitution of the United States of America."

[goodgd_yall]

20. That doesn't answer the question n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Sure it does.

You can't believe in the Constitution and obey it and try to pass anti-flag burning legislation.

[jackson_dem]

27. "hope" at work again. "Hope" he is what I want him to be

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. What's hope got to do with this?

We're citing very specific U.S. law. Specifically the 1st amendment.

[jackson_dem]

47. What is Obama's position on flag burning?

What is his position, not what you "hope" it is.

[SoFlaJet]

really JD in all due respect

who fucking cares-it's a non-issue-nothing more than a republican talking point and matters not to how we go through our day to day life

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

103. I already told you.

My candidate supports the constitution.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060627-obama_statement_29/

[jackson_dem]

26. I think that is because Obama has the same position

[wileedog]

8. So in other words

Neither has really accomplished all that much.

Because clearly passing a Teacher Training program prepares you to lead the Free World from "Day One!"

[Iris]

67. The point is, the email is intended to trick people into believing that Obama has done so much more

than Clinton. It's dishonest and something I'd expect from right wingers.

[speedoo]

12. What do Hillary's IWR and clusterbomb votes say about her "productivity"?

Just askin'.

[earthside]

13. And McCain ...

... has accomplished ten times more in the Senate than Clinton(s).

"Since McCain has been in the Senate five times as long as Hillary ..."

So what.

[jackson_dem]

17. That is why you take into account length of service

Overall Hillary has done 10x more than Obama. Since she has been there twice as long you divide 10 by 2 and get 5. Simple!

So what? Ask the Obama campaign. They obviously feel the need to lie about Obama's lack of productivity and Hillary's record.

[no name no slogan]

14. She's also been there twice as long.

To be fair, Obama went to the Senate in 2005, Hillary in 2001.

[jackson_dem]

28. That is factored into the OP. She has been 5x more productive in relative terms

[no name no slogan]

37. That means she also has 2x the seniority

and seniority plays a very big role in who gets what done in the congress. It determines your committee assignments, your position on committees, and how much $$$ you bring back to your district. It's a little better now than when it used to be, but most Senators don't get to do much their first term besides learn the ropes and vote the party line.

[Iris]

68. So why did the person/people who wrote the email feel the need to try to

make it look like Obama has done twice as much?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. So isn't your whole argument...

Based on George W. Bush supporting Hillary's legislation?

[GodlessBiker]

16. It seems the American public does not want to elect a technician to be president,

they want to elect someone who can motivate them to be the best they can be.

When people were inspired by JFK's, I propose that within ten years we send a man to the moon and return him safely to the Earth, they were not reflecting on his legislative accomplishments in the Senate.

It appears that the American public does not want simply to fill the office with someone who knows what to do. They want more than that. Until Clinton realizes that, she will keep losing states.

[jackson_dem]

29. So why is Obama lying about his paltry record and Hillary's solid record?

[GodlessBiker]

84. He isn't lying, but more importantly, no one cares about how successful a candidate

has been with legislation. That's not the reason people vote for a president.

[iconocrastic]

40. A bureaucrat is not a technician

Her huge proposed health plan went down in flames.

Even the technocrats knew it was impossible.

[goodgd_yall]

18. Good job on setting the record straight n/t

[apnu]

21. I don't get this meme... its as if Obama's sole political carreer has been in the U.S. Senate.

When he's um been a state senator for years and years.

What's the deal here... that work doesn't count?

If you want to stack up years of political office and work, Obama, clearly, has more experience than Hillary as an elected official. Yes I know she was the First Lady for 8 years and that counts for something. But she wasn't elected in to that position and the First Lady has no legal political power. But since the Clinton supporters feel its OK to ignore the balance of Obama's political career, so to then, can Hillary Clinton's White House years be easily ignored.

Sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it too on this. Either compare the whole body of work of both candidates or don't compare them at all. To compare an abbreviated U.S. Senatorial career to a life time is just unfair and distorting.

[jackson_dem]

32. Only Obamites think state legislative experience is relevant to being president

[adabfree]

73. What's the delegate count?

I think a great deal of America see it quite differently than you do...

[jackson_dem]

80. There won't be any delegates in the general. It will go by electoral vote

Obama will be the least accomplished person to be elected if he wins. When it comes to making the final decision voters want experience and/or extraordinary accomplishment. Obama has neither. He is unlikely to win against McCain with no experience, especially in the age of terror.

[adabfree]

125. ha ha okay...hold on to that..

[bagrman]

88. IF Senate experience is the cryteria the Richardson or Dodd should be your choice.

In that case she's running name recognition.

[goodgd_yall]

35. If you want to stack up political experience

I believe Clinton's years as first lady of Arkansas and First Lady of the U.S. are legitimate claims to experience. She knows what holding an executive office is like.

[apnu]

But she didn't actually hold the office did she?

She didn't make any decisions, Bill did. She didn't hold any of the responsibility Bill did. She might have assisted Bill with decisions, he may have considered her judgement on issues, no one really knows, but them what their marriage is about. but ultimately Bill was a governor the President. At the end of the day, he was responsible to the voters and tax payers, not her.

In fact, the story goes, that Hillary was a working lawyer when Bill was governor, so what government experience did she pick up when she wasn't even functioning as the governor.

How does that count but state senatorial work not?

[NeedleCast]

120. No

That's like saying the receptionist at a law firm has the same amount of legal experience as an attorney who's been at the firm for the same amount of time.

First lady doesn not equal president and I don't think it's a grounds for an experience claim any more than working in the produce section of a grocery store is equal to growing fruit.

[blm]

22. HRC was ABSENT for EVERY BIG BATTLE AGAINST Bush/Rove from 2001-2006

She wouldn't back up any Dem taking ON Bush throughout that time, either. Even the last Dem nominee. She stuck by her support for Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war. And the last Dem president did, too, and PUBLICLY throughout every interview onhis 3 week book tour in 2004.

This is how they acted to protect Bush.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville was working for WHO in 2004?
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Hillary sided with Bush in 2006 up until it was time for her own primary campaign for president:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[ElsewheresDaughter]

24. yes she has!

[Saturday]

30. Thanks for the information but unfortunately you know that

Obama supporters have their fingers in their ears and their hands over their eyes so they can continue with their little game of "hope".

[carlotta]

33. Can you imagine if Hillary had decided to run after two years?

She knew she had to put in her time in the senate, have a credible record of accomplishment before anyone would take her seriously as a Presidential candidate. She would have been skewered left and right for being arrogant enough to think she deserved it. But not Obama.

You know this is true.

[ShortnFiery]

36. She's highly intelligent but she has "NO Elvis" (talent) for true LEADERSHIP.

You either got it, or you don't. HRC does not inspire or motivate. Beyond that she's also an inadequate "people manager."

Working alone or in small groups, she shines. However, she doesn't have NEAR "the right stuff" to inspire our beloved Nation out of it's sad complacency. But that would be just fine with the ruling elite (some on both sides of the aisle). :(

[Orangepeel]

38. If Senate experience was the only criteria, we'd nominate Bird.

How much has Clinton accomplished in comparison to Biden? He didn't win.

People who are voting for Obama believe that he is qualified enough and is a better candidate than Clinton on a variety of dimensions.

[goodgd_yall]

42. The OP is trying to correct misinformation that is being posted

Comparing Obama's record to Hillary's record. It's not a matter of declaring what criteria you should use to evaluate a candidate.

[ShortnFiery]

44. True, and the President we need now is one who can BUILD Consensus from desperate groups.

Even their surrogates must admit that "The Clintons" are NOT truly UNITERS any more than our present occupant of the WH?

Obama can staff his Executive Branch with very experienced and talented people whom HE WILL LISTEN TO without any need for a "big get even."

Obama as our President - is IMO, the ONE true CHANCE (hope) for a UNITING LEADERSHIP within the Executive Branch. Obama and those mostly non-DLC advisers who will "make him smart" will CEASE with the petty politics of "divide and conquer." That would be a very good start, aye?

Experience don't mean SQUAT if you can't bring people together.

[bowens43]

43. You don't get it......

It's not about what they have done or not done, it's not about the stand on the issues, they're very close....it's about who they are and what they represent. Hillary's record in the Senate is not an indication that she would be a successful president. Hillary's experience is a huge negative, it's exactly what turns people off about her. She is entrenched in the politics of personal destruction and there is nothing that she can do to change that.

[jackson_dem]

45. Obamites keep parroting this. If this is true why is the Obama campaign lying?

Clearly they believe Senate records matter and since their guy has been a do nothing senator they had to lie to make him look good.

[adabfree]

77. what's the delegate count? what's the popular vote count? how many states has obama won? Hillary?

[jackson_dem]

94. Take it up with the lying Obama campaign. They clearly think it matters

And since he is a do nothing senator they had to resort to lying to make him look good. Are they such big liars they do it for fun or did they do it out of desperation because it was the only way to make his record look decent?

[goodgd_yall]

50. You're avoiding the issue of misinformation being sent out about legislative records

Your opinion about who you think the better candidate is doesn't address the false information being distributed.

[jackson_dem]

95. Not a single Obamite can come forward and admit the lying tactics Obama is using are despicable

[Iris]

129. Are you surprised?

I wish I were. If this were a right wing email making the rounds, most people here would see through it in a New York minute.

[carlotta]

53. The politics of personal destruction?

I think you have that backwards. Hillary has been the OBJECT of personal destruction ever since she became First Lady. Do you even know what personal destruction means--it's not attacking your opponent's positions, experience, etc. That's fair game for any candidate. It's making attacks on their character, looks, style--things that have nothing to do with their leadership ability. How many times (especially here) has she been demeaned for her looks, her voice, her clothing, her tears, etc. That's the politics of personal destruction and she, to my knowledge has not engaged in it.

[ShortnFiery]

58. OMG! Always the but "she's the victim" hype hype hype with NO DELIVERY!

The late Sam Kinnison would have a field day with this lame a** argument. :eyes:

This has nothing to do with HRC's gender - she's an secretive and self-righteous person who doesn't inspire people. She does NOT have strong leadership traits other than her high intelligence and determination. Sorry, the foregoing is not NEARLY ENOUGH. :(

[carlotta]

89. the post above mine claims....

Hillary engages in the politics of personal destruction. He's the one who can't back that up. What's the proof of that?

[jackson_dem]

46. Is any Obamite honest enough to admit their hero's campaign is lying?

[cali]

51. Coming

from Hillbots that's funny. You're talking about a campaign that's bent, distorted and twisted the truth for months.

[jackson_dem]

55. What does Hillary have to do with Obama lying to cover up his pathetic senate record?

[ProSense]

57. Here's what:

She's lying!

[cali]

75. He's not lying and your parroting hillyhub

doesn't make it so. There's no reason he shouldn't include legislation he's sponsored and worked on whether it's passed into law or not. Hillbots are growing ever more desperate and shrill. It's not pretty, but oh well, have at it.

[jackson_dem]

90. Sure but why the lying double standard?

If he wants to use that criteria for himself he should use the same for Hillary, or at least admit he is using different criteria. What he is doing is deliberately deceptive and born out of the fact he is a do nothing senator.

[ProSense]

54. No you are the one being disingenuous, posting what you already know is misleading spin from Hillary

Clinton as the named sponsor:

Signed into law 110th Congress
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S.3613
Title: A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building".
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (introduced 6/29/2006) Cosponsors (1)
Related Bills: H.R.5708
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 109-311 COSPONSORS(1), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)

Sen Schumer, Charles E. - 7/25/2006

Signed into law 108th Congress

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S.1241
Title: A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (introduced 6/11/2003) Cosponsors (1)
Related Bills: H.R.305
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 108-438
Senate Reports: 108-295 COSPONSORS(1), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)

Sen Schumer, Charles E. - 6/11/2003

Signed into law 107th Congress

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Bills sponsored by Obama that Hillary deemed important enough to co-sponsor.

S.453
Title: A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 1/31/2007) Cosponsors (20)
Related Bills: H.R.1281
Latest Major Action: 10/4/2007 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 411.
Senate Reports: 110-191 COSPONSORS(20), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 1/31/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod (OH) - 5/8/2007
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. (MD) - 1/31/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 1/31/2007
Sen Coburn, Tom (OK) - 9/6/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 9/6/2007
Sen Feingold, Russell D. (WI) - 1/31/2007
Sen Feinstein, Dianne (CA) - 1/31/2007
Sen Johnson, Tim (SD) - 6/4/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. (MA) - 1/31/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 1/31/2007
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. (LA) - 3/19/2007
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. (NJ) - 12/5/2007
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. (VT) - 1/31/2007
Sen Levin, Carl (MI) - 3/6/2007
Sen McCaskill, Claire (MO) - 6/4/2007
Sen Menendez, Robert (NJ) - 12/19/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. (NY) - 1/31/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon (RI) - 6/4/2007
Sen Wyden, Ron (OR) - 7/25/2007

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S.823
Title: A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act with respect to facilitating the development of microbicides for preventing transmission of HIV/AIDS and other diseases, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 3/8/2007) Cosponsors (18)
Related Bills: H.R.1420
Latest Major Action: 3/8/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. COSPONSORS(18), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Bingaman, Jeff (NM) - 3/12/2007
Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 3/8/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod (OH) - 3/22/2007
Sen Cantwell, Maria (WA) - 5/24/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 3/8/2007
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. (CT) - 3/8/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 3/8/2007
Sen Feinstein, Dianne (CA) - 5/14/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. (MA) - 5/14/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 3/8/2007
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. (NJ) - 6/4/2007
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. (VT) - 3/12/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (MD) - 3/27/2007
Sen Murray, Patty (WA) - 4/26/2007
Sen Sanders, Bernard (VT) - 4/25/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. (NY) - 3/8/2007
Sen Smith, Gordon H. (OR) - 3/20/2007
Sen Snowe, Olympia J. (ME) - 3/8/2007

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S.1067
Title: A bill to require Federal agencies to support health impact assessments and take other actions to improve health and the environmental quality of communities, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 3/29/2007) Cosponsors (3)
Related Bills: H.R.398
Latest Major Action: 3/29/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. COSPONSORS(3), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 3/29/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 3/29/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 3/29/2007

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S.1068
Title: A bill to promote healthy communities.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 3/29/2007) Cosponsors (2)
Latest Major Action: 3/29/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. COSPONSORS(2), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 3/29/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 3/29/2007

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S.1306
Title: A bill to direct the Consumer Product Safety Commission to classify certain children's products containing lead to be banned hazardous substances.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 5/3/2007) Cosponsors (9)
Latest Major Action: 5/3/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. COSPONSORS(9), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Brown, Sherrod (OH) - 9/5/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 5/3/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 5/3/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 9/4/2007
Sen Klobuchar, Amy (MN) - 7/23/2007
Sen Sanders, Bernard (VT) - 9/4/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. (NY) - 9/4/2007
Sen Stabenow, Debbie (MI) - 9/4/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon (RI) - 9/5/2007

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S.1811
Title: A bill to amend the Toxic Substances Control Act to assess and reduce the levels of lead found in child-occupied facilities in the United States, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 7/18/2007) Cosponsors (2)
Related Bills: H.R.3085
Latest Major Action: 7/18/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works. COSPONSORS(2), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 7/18/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. (NY) - 7/18/2007


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S.2044
Title: A bill to provide procedures for the proper classification of employees and independent contractors, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 9/12/2007) Cosponsors (6)
Latest Major Action: 9/12/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance. COSPONSORS(6), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 9/19/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 9/24/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 9/12/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. (MA) - 9/12/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (MD) - 9/24/2007
Sen Murray, Patty (WA) - 9/12/2007

______________________________________

S.2132
Title: A bill to prohibit the introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce of children's products that contain lead, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 10/3/2007) Cosponsors (6)
Related Bills: H.R.3743
Latest Major Action: 10/3/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. COSPONSORS(6), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Brown, Sherrod (OH) - 10/30/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 10/3/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 10/3/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 10/3/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. (NY) - 10/3/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon (RI) - 10/3/2007

_______________________________________


S.2347
Title: A bill to restore and protect access to discount drug prices for university-based and safety-net clinics.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 11/13/2007) Cosponsors (31)
Related Bills: H.R.4054
Latest Major Action: 11/13/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance. COSPONSORS(31), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Baucus, Max (MT) - 11/14/2007
Sen Bingaman, Jeff (NM) - 11/13/2007
Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 11/13/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod (OH) - 11/13/2007
Sen Cantwell, Maria (WA) - 11/13/2007
Sen Carper, Thomas R. (DE) - 12/3/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 11/13/2007
Sen Collins, Susan M. (ME) - 11/13/2007
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. (CT) - 2/12/2008
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 11/14/2007
Sen Feinstein, Dianne (CA) - 11/13/2007
Sen Harkin, Tom (IA) - 11/13/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. (MA) - 11/13/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 11/13/2007
Sen Klobuchar, Amy (MN) - 11/13/2007
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. (NJ) - 12/5/2007
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. (VT) - 11/13/2007
Sen Levin, Carl (MI) - 12/11/2007
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. (CT) - 12/3/2007
Sen McCaskill, Claire (MO) - 11/13/2007
Sen Menendez, Robert (NJ) - 11/13/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (MD) - 12/3/2007
Sen Murray, Patty (WA) - 11/13/2007
Sen Nelson, Bill (FL) - 12/11/2007
Sen Sanders, Bernard (VT) - 12/3/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. (NY) - 11/13/2007
Sen Snowe, Olympia J. (ME) - 12/11/2007
Sen Stabenow, Debbie (MI) - 11/13/2007
Sen Tester, Jon (MT) - 11/15/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon (RI) - 11/15/2007
Sen Wyden, Ron (OR) - 11/13/2007

_______________________________



S.CON.RES.53
Title: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that any effort to impose photo identification requirements for voting should be rejected.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 9/20/2005) Cosponsors (23)
Related Bills: H.CON.RES.247
Latest Major Action: 9/20/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration. COSPONSORS(23), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Akaka, Daniel K. (HI) - 9/20/2005
Sen Bayh, Evan (IN) - 9/29/2005
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 9/20/2005
Sen Corzine, Jon S. (NJ) - 9/20/2005
Sen Dayton, Mark (MN) - 9/20/2005
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. (CT) - 9/20/2005
Sen Dorgan, Byron L. (ND) - 9/20/2005
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 9/20/2005
Sen Feingold, Russell D. (WI) - 9/20/2005
Sen Harkin, Tom (IA) - 9/20/2005
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. (MA) - 9/20/2005
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 9/20/2005
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. (NJ) - 9/20/2005
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. (VT) - 9/20/2005
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. (CT) - 9/21/2005
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (MD) - 9/20/2005
Sen Pryor, Mark L. (AR) - 9/20/2005
Sen Reid, Harry (NV) - 9/20/2005
Sen Salazar, Ken (CO) - 9/20/2005
Sen Sarbanes, Paul S. (MD) - 9/27/2005
Sen Schumer, Charles E. (NY) - 9/28/2005
Sen Stabenow, Debbie (MI) - 9/20/2005
Sen Wyden, Ron (OR) - 9/20/2005

_________________________________



S.969
Title: A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act with respect to preparation for an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 4/28/2005) Cosponsors (9)
Related Bills: H.R.3369
Latest Major Action: 4/28/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. COSPONSORS(9), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Bayh, Evan (IN) - 7/26/2005
Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 9/27/2005
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 10/20/2005
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 6/9/2005
Sen Inouye, Daniel K. (HI) - 7/26/2005
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. (LA) - 10/5/2005
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. (CT) - 7/15/2005
Sen Lugar, Richard G. (IN) - 7/26/2005
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (MD) - 10/17/2005

________________________________


S.1180
Title: A bill to amend title 38, United States Code, to reauthorize various programs servicing the needs of homeless veterans for fiscal years 2007 through 2011, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 6/7/2005) Cosponsors (6)
Latest Major Action: 6/9/2005 Senate committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Committee on Veterans' Affairs. Hearings held. COSPONSORS(6), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 4/26/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 12/16/2005
Sen Dorgan, Byron L. (ND) - 7/13/2005
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 7/14/2005
Sen Johnson, Tim (SD) - 6/13/2005
Sen Murray, Patty (WA) - 7/21/2005

____________________________________

S.1975
Title: A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 11/8/2005) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.4463, S.4069
Latest Major Action: 11/8/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration. COSPONSORS(4), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 12/12/2005
Sen Feingold, Russell D. (WI) - 12/12/2005
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 11/10/2005
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. (VT) - 12/12/2005

______________________________________


S.2045
Title: A bill to provide incentives to the auto industry to accelerate efforts to develop more energy-efficient vehicles to lessen dependence on oil.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 11/17/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Related Bills: H.R.4370
Latest Major Action: 11/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance. COSPONSORS(1), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 4/3/2006

______________________________


S.2047
Title: A bill to promote healthy communities.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 11/17/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 11/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. COSPONSORS(1), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 11/17/2005

___________________________________


S.2048
Title: A bill to direct the Consumer Product Safety Commission to classify certain children's products containing lead to be banned hazardous substances.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 11/17/2005) Cosponsors (3)
Related Bills: H.R.668
Latest Major Action: 11/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. COSPONSORS(3), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 4/26/2006
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 7/27/2006
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (MD) - 4/3/2006

____________________________

S.2125
Title: A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 12/16/2005) Cosponsors (12)
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 109-456 (GPO: Text, PDF) COSPONSORS(12), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Brownback, Sam (KS) - 12/16/2005
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 6/19/2006
Sen Collins, Susan M. (ME) - 6/19/2006
Sen Dayton, Mark (MN) - 6/29/2006
Sen DeWine, Mike (OH) - 12/16/2005
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 12/16/2005
Sen Inhofe, James M. (OK) - 4/24/2006
Sen Johnson, Tim (SD) - 6/29/2006
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. (LA) - 6/29/2006
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. (VT) - 4/24/2006
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. (CT) - 6/29/2006
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (MD) - 6/29/2006

__________________________________

S.2179
Title: A bill to require openness in conference committee deliberations and full disclosure of the contents of conference reports and all other legislation.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 1/18/2006) Cosponsors (9)
Latest Major Action: 1/18/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration. COSPONSORS(9), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Bayh, Evan (IN) - 1/26/2006
Sen Bingaman, Jeff (NM) - 1/25/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 1/25/2006
Sen Dayton, Mark (MN) - 2/9/2006
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 1/27/2006
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. (MA) - 1/30/2006
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 1/31/2006
Sen Nelson, Bill (FL) - 1/25/2006
Sen Salazar, Ken (CO) - 1/25/2006

_______________________________________


S.2201
Title: A bill to amend title 49, United States Code, to modify the mediation and implementation requirements of section 40122 regarding changes in the Federal Aviation Administration personnel management system, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 1/26/2006) Cosponsors (38)
Related Bills: H.R.4755
Latest Major Action: 1/26/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. COSPONSORS(38), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Akaka, Daniel K. (HI) - 1/31/2006
Sen Baucus, Max (MT) - 4/24/2006
Sen Bayh, Evan (IN) - 4/26/2006
Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. (DE) - 5/3/2006
Sen Bingaman, Jeff (NM) - 3/3/2006
Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 3/16/2006
Sen Byrd, Robert C. (WV) - 5/3/2006
Sen Cantwell, Maria (WA) - 1/31/2006
Sen Carper, Thomas R. (DE) - 2/2/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 2/1/2006
Sen Conrad, Kent (ND) - 4/3/2006
Sen Dayton, Mark (MN) - 3/27/2006
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. (CT) - 2/28/2006
Sen Dorgan, Byron L. (ND) - 1/31/2006
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 1/27/2006
Sen Feingold, Russell D. (WI) - 3/16/2006
Sen Feinstein, Dianne (CA) - 4/24/2006
Sen Harkin, Tom (IA) - 4/7/2006
Sen Inouye, Daniel K. (HI) - 1/26/2006
Sen Johnson, Tim (SD) - 2/28/2006
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. (MA) - 1/31/2006
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 2/7/2006
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. (NJ) - 1/26/2006
Sen Levin, Carl (MI) - 4/6/2006
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. (CT) - 4/24/2006
Sen Lincoln, Blanche L. (AR) - 4/27/2006
Sen Menendez, Robert (NJ) - 2/7/2006
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (MD) - 2/1/2006
Sen Murray, Patty (WA) - 1/26/2006
Sen Nelson, Bill (FL) - 4/27/2006
Sen Nelson, E. Benjamin (NE) - 3/7/2006
Sen Pryor, Mark L. (AR) - 3/16/2006
Sen Reed, Jack (RI) - 2/28/2006
Sen Reid, Harry (NV) - 1/30/2006
Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV (WV) - 3/14/2006
Sen Salazar, Ken (CO) - 2/14/2006
Sen Stabenow, Debbie (MI) - 4/7/2006
Sen Wyden, Ron (OR) - 2/14/2006
______________________________________________


S.2348
Title: A bill to amend the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 to require a licensee to notify the Atomic Energy Commission, and the State and county in which a facility is located, whenever there is an unplanned release of fission products in excess of allowable limits.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 3/1/2006) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.4825
Latest Major Action: 9/25/2006 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 637.
Senate Reports: 109-347 COSPONSORS(4), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 9/12/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 9/25/2006
Sen Durbin, Richard (IL) - 3/1/2006
Sen Voinovich, George V. (OH) - 9/25/2006

_______________________________________

S.4069
Title: A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (IL) (introduced 11/16/2006) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.4463, S.1975
Latest Major Action: 11/16/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration. COSPONSORS(4), ALPHABETICAL (followed by Cosponsors withdrawn): (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara (CA) - 12/5/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (NY) - 12/5/2006
Sen Kerry, John F. (MA) - 12/5/2006
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. (LA) - 12/5/2006

_______________________________________


How Obama defied Reid and got real ethics reform passed


Thoughts and reactions on Obama's bold new energy proposal

Barack Obama: immigration reform and Latino Voters

Barack Obama and Foreign Policy (non Iraq)

Barack Obama's Foreign Policy Speech

Barack Obama and technology

Barack Obama and Health Care

Obama on HIV/AIDS

Obama Announces Rural Poverty Summit (Updated)

Obama urges alumni to help fight poverty

2004 Report on Illinois Poverty (PDF)

Barack Obama and the 50 State Strategy

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama: Changing the Odds for Urban America Washington, DC | July 18, 2007

Obama's Economic Policy Address at the Janesville GM Assembly Plant

Plan to Combat Poverty

Obama on the issues

link

Yes. We. Can.

[jackson_dem]

60. ProSpin continues to use the same smoke and mirrors the Obama campaign does

Sponsoring a bill does nothing. Most sponsored bills are for show and they can have dozens of cosponsors. The best example of a bill for show is Obama's Iraq bill that methunprogressive exposed as a sham in another thread. Obama didn't even work to get it up for a committee vote.

[ProSense]

81. No it's exposing Hillary!

S.2488
Title: A bill to promote accessibility, accountability, and openness in Government by strengthening section 552 of title 5, United States Code (commonly referred to as the Freedom of Information Act), and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Leahy, Patrick J. (introduced 12/14/2007) Cosponsors (17)
Related Bills: H.R.1309, H.R.1326, S.849, S.2427
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 110-175
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COSPONSORS(17), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)
Sen Alexander, Lamar - 12/14/2007
Sen Boxer, Barbara - 12/14/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod - 12/14/2007
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. - 12/14/2007
Sen Coburn, Tom - 12/14/2007
Sen Cornyn, John - 12/14/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard - 12/14/2007
Sen Feingold, Russell D. - 12/14/2007
Sen Isakson, Johnny - 12/14/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. - 12/14/2007
Sen Kyl, Jon - 12/14/2007
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. - 12/14/2007
Sen McCaskill, Claire - 12/14/2007
Sen Obama, Barack - 12/14/2007
Sen Sanders, Bernard - 12/14/2007
Sen Smith, Gordon H. - 12/14/2007
Sen Specter, Arlen - 12/14/2007


S.1184
Title: A bill to waive the passport fees for a relative of a deceased member of the Armed Forces proceeding abroad to visit the grave of such member or to attend a funeral or memorial service for such member.
Sponsor: Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. (introduced 6/7/2005) Cosponsors (2)
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 109-210
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COSPONSORS(2), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)
Sen Allen, George - 11/2/2005
Sen Obama, Barack - 11/1/2005



S.4044
Title: A bill to clarify the treatment of certain charitable contributions under title 11, United States Code.
Sponsor: Sen Hatch, Orrin G. (introduced 9/29/2006) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 109-439
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COSPONSORS(1), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)
Sen Obama, Barack - 9/29/2006



S.2803
Title: A bill to amend the Federal Mine Safety and Health Act of 1977 to improve the safety of mines and mining.
Sponsor: Sen Enzi, Michael B. (introduced 5/16/2006) Cosponsors (11)
Related Bills: H.R.5432, H.R.5481
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 109-236
Senate Reports: 109-365
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COSPONSORS(11), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)
Sen Bunning, Jim - 5/22/2006
Sen Byrd, Robert C. - 5/16/2006
Sen DeWine, Mike - 5/16/2006
Sen Isakson, Johnny - 5/16/2006
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. - 5/16/2006
Sen McConnell, Mitch - 5/22/2006
Sen Murray, Patty - 5/16/2006
Sen Obama, Barack - 5/23/2006
Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV - 5/16/2006
Sen Santorum, Rick - 5/16/2006
Sen Specter, Arlen - 5/19/2006

[mtnsnake]

132. ProSpin

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ProSense]

134. Laughter doesn't change the fact that Hillary is losing and

lying

[mtnsnake]

135. WahhhhHHH

The Goddess of Peace doesn't lie and you know that.

John Kerry could've learned some good lessons from Hilary about how to fight back. Oh well, thanks to him we got 4 more years of Bush. At least we didn't end up getting that Kerry/McCain ticket like Kerry wanted. Whew!!

[NJSecularist]

76. Exposing more Hillbot lies, ProSense

You need more than a 3 thread a day posting limit. :)

[Arkana]

136. As much as you might hate hearing this

just because few of those bills he worked on became law does not make him shiftless. For two of the three years Obama has been a senator, he and Hillary had to deal with a 55-44 Republican majority--and I don't give a shit how hard you work on something in those kinds of climates--if the Republicans don't like it, it ain't gettin' through.

And even now, with our slim majority, Idiot Son still wields the veto pen.

In a way, the fact that less of Obama's work became law speaks to his willingness to devote himself to more controversial, Democratic legislation--as crazy as that might sound.

[cali]

48. I love that you're getting your spin straight from

Hillyhub. And what you should do, is compare her first three years to his. That would be a valid comparison. This? Not at all.

[jackson_dem]

61. That will be Obama's line in the general?

"Compare our first three years, ignore the other 18 years my opponent has..." :rofl:

[cali]

78. No. Try listening to him.

You're confusing what I'm saying with what Obama's saying? Yikes you really do need a reality check.

[andym]

49. This is a reasonable way to compare, especially the "rates" of success

And is certainly something Hillary should bring up in debates and in ads.
It certainly speaks well for her bipartisanship, since these bills had to get through a Republican President and possibly congress. The most effective lawmaker is the one who succeed in spite of impediments.

However, some credit should be given for attempts to create laws as well, given the Republican control. Both candidates appear to have a pretty good record of trying to legislate. Their total rates of sponsorship/co-sponsorship would make an interesting comparison as well.

[stevietheman]

52. It's a good thing we'll get to keep her in the Senate then. n/t

n/t

[islandmkl]

56. i know this: Obama has accomplished something in the only area that matters to either of them:

HE IS WINNING THE VOTES!!

I suggest that the next time Hillary and her supporters want to win a 'what have you done' contest they stay away from primaries with real voters who determine the outcome.


'He is not worthy'....GMAFB! He's kicking some ass, and he was supposed to be gone months ago! Compare all you want about your perceived strengths of Congressional service. That is not translated into votes.

One word: SCOREBOARD!!

[jackson_dem]

62. Is Obama paid almost 200 grand a year by taxpayers to win votes?

[txaslftist]

59. She also voted for the Iraq war and to name Iran's military "terrorists"...

I mean, if you want to list her accomplishments, she's helped get a lot of people killed, and provided cover for the killing of a whole lot more...

[jackson_dem]

63. And Obama voted to fund the war, against withdrawal and supports naming the IRLG of Iran terrorists

The difference is one campaign is honest, the other isn't.

[txaslftist]

70. Great. An honest hawk. Just what this war-weary nation needs.

And I've heard her talk about why she voted the way she did. It was a rationalization, and far less than honest.

I'll take my chances with the evil I don't know, thanks.

[Iris]

64. Yes - a friend of mine in Ohio got this email and sent it to me.

She's a Hillary supporter, but apparently her peeps think she should support Obama and one thought this would sway her. She was happy when I pointed out the apples to oranges nature of this comparison.

[JimGinPA]

66. Good For Her! Maybe The Senate Is Truly Her Calling...

I hope she continues her good work there, at least until she's up for re-election.

[Iris]

72. Someone putting out misleading information = the Senate is truly calling her?

Oh, yes and the upcoming 9-11 attacks were truly calling W when he got elected President in 2000.

[onenote]

74. these sorts of comparisons are worthless -- by both sides

How many bills someone has sponsored or co-sponsored and how many have become law and how long someone has been in the Senate are relatively meaningless benchmarks for picking a president. Unless, of course, you think the person most qualified to be president today is Robert Byrd who, in his 49 years in the Senate, almost certainly has sponsored/co-sponsored more bills than HRC and Obama combined.

Enough with the red herrings -- on both sides.

[jackson_dem]

82. This merely sets the record straight in light of the Obama's campaigns outright lying

Whether it matters in and of itself is another issue, although it does lend more credence to Hillary's charge that Obama is a talker, not a doer.

[onenote]

102. Well, McCain has sponsored many more bills than either of them

Does that make him more of a "doer" than HRC? Its a silly benchmark for either side to be posturing about

[Indy Lurker]

79. Never confuse quantity with quality

Is this how we measure executive ability?

By seeing who can sponsor the most bills?

How is this relevant?

[Algorem]

83. Obama's wrong surrogate

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/02/obamas_wrong_surrogate.html
Posted by Mark Naymik February 20, 2008 11:56AM

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's talent for articulating a message and motivating thousands with his speeches doesn't extend to his Texas surrogate, State Sen. Kirk Watson, who appeared speechless last night on MSNBC's "Hardball."

Though host Chris Matthews bullied Watson into trying to name one Obama legislative accomplishment, Watson seemed ill prepared to talk up the candidate and failed to say anything.

Speaking for Clinton was Cleveland Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, who didn't really have to say much since Matthews was so focused on Watson. Tubbs Jones bragged that Clinton has a host of accomplishments, though she didn't actually name any as time ran out.

A longer clip from this "Hardball" show is at:

[Az_lefty]

85. dowsn't matter, this is about leadership not legislating...

the way these candidates handle their primary campaigns is a testament to their leadership and organizational skills. Obama has done a great job being prepared for pratically anything, even an unexpectedly long primary campaign. Hillary has been surprisingly awfull. Her campaign has fallen apart, been rebuilt, ran out of money, reshuffled, etc. Obama is the one who stands out as a leader. I'll give HIllary all the the credit in the world for her work in the Senate, but she lacks the skills to be a CEO.

[jackson_dem]

96. Obama was on his way to losing two congressional PRIMARIES in a row

Until a scandal took down the front runner. I'll put the Clintons record up against that. Obama was a nobody until the corporate media decided to make him a political hulk.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

145. they can't hear the facts

[Apollo11]

91. I endorse Hillary for Senate Majority Leader!

:kick:

[GodlessBiker]

99. No way. Chris Dodd should have that job.

[yourguide]

92. Are you really quoting "HillaryHub.com" as a source?

Oh stop!

I am sure those facts are as good as the ones on delegatehub.com


shady shady shady.

[goodgd_yall]

111. Then do your own research on www.thomas.loc.gov

the record shows that none of Obama's sponsored bills passed in 2007 and only one in 2006 (on providing relief to Congo)

Cosponsored bills are another matter. You can't compare cosponsored bills to sponsored bills. It's an unfair comparison.

[yourguide]

124. oh LORD.

I am not the one who posted this thread citing a campaign propaganda site as a NEWS SOURCE y'all.

putting y'all on ignore.

[Occam Bandage]

93. She has twice the seniority. Compare her first three years to his.

[libbygurl]

100. So, does experience with more years, and accomplishment count then? nt

[Occam Bandage]

101. Seniority counts in the Senate. All presidents have equal seniority.

[islandmkl]

98. the hillhub should have found a way to use Congress as a means to stop Obama

...since only at DU is this topic even getting any traction. Not that it hasn't been discussed ad nauseum by the media, especially early in the race. How lame is it that the day after another ass-kicking the hillary supporters can only try to compare 'legislative accomplishments'.

This smacks of a loser in the Super Bowl crying, "We won more games the last 6 years than our opponent. They shouldn't have even been allowed to play in the game."

[goodgd_yall]

114. The point of the OP is to set the record straight

There continues to be posts that are misleading. They compare Obama's sponsored/cosponsored bills to Hillary's sponsored bills that have passed.

[Arkana]

142. I'm a Patriots fan...why must you be so mean?

:(

[oviedodem]

104. *** Lugar/Obama Bill *** WAS PASSED (hint: national security)

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060523-lugar-obama_bil/

[jackson_dem]

108. Passed...out of committee...

From your own link:
WASHINGTON - The U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee today passed out of committee, S. 2566,

[oviedodem]

109. George Bush signed it; and your point is.....

[jackson_dem]

112. How a bill becomes law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ

[oviedodem]

115. THey got the funding for it so as far as I am concerned it was positive

legislation that did some damn good.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070628-obama_lugar_sec/

[democrattotheend]

105. Thanks for posting

I honestly could not think of any of Clinton's legislative accomplishments, so I appreciate you clearing that up.


Obama does have a few significant accomplishments in the Senate though, such as Coburn-Obama and the nuclear non-proliferation bill.

[jefferson_dem]

110. This is exactly why I want her to be the Senate Majority Leader after she loses the nomination fight

Out with Harry! In with Hillary!

[TheWraith]

113. Yes, she voted for the war in Iraq, against banning cluster bombing of civilians...

Against banning landmines, in favor of declaring the Iranian military to be terrorists...

You're right. She does have a considerable record. Too bad the spinmeisters at HillaryHub conveniently erase the parts of history they don't like, since their candidate is incapable of admitting a mistake.

[goodgd_yall]

117. The point of the OP is to callout misleading information

Obama supporters are providing records of Obama's legislative efforts and comparing them to Legislation Hillary has sponsored that has passed. If Obama's sponsored bills that passed are compared to Hillary's bills that have passed, his record is equal to hers.

[Hippo_Tron]

116. And there is NO correlation between experience and being a good president

[Infinite Hope]

118. 2 times more* because she's been there twice as long. But it's been negative legislation...

Iraq, Iran, bankruptcy, etc. Sure, some has been positive, but her judgment overall is in serious question.

The race is all but over anyway. It's just a matter of going through the motions now barring drastic unforeseen circumstances.

[jackson_dem]

126. 10x more divided by 2x long=5x more productive

[Infinite Hope]

127. I was correcting you. She hasn't been 10 times more productive - Hyperbole. n/t

[oviedodem]

119. ** Obama got the "pork" bill done

http://obama.senate.gov/news/060909-bloggers_help_o/

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2006/09/obamas_antipork_bill_passes.html

[oviedodem]

122. d

[Medusa]

121. You know what she did that counts the most for me?

Voting for the war. Refusing to oppose it fromDay 1 when she HAD to know what the intel said. Oh right, there was some of it that she was just too busy to get around to reading. That's what matters to me. And that's why I don't care what she has done or not done while she as in the Senate, or what she claims to have done while married to BC (her 35 years of experience), that is the one vote that matters most to me and she fucked up beyond all repair in the process.

[Yurovsky]

131. Refusing to admit she was wrong ....

that is, to me, her greatest shortcoming. Any idiot can see it was a huge mistake, and most of the Senate Dems have acknowledged the error of their pro-war vote.

Yet HRC stands by her vote, or trys to tell us on one hand that she was mislead, and on the other we should elect her based on her experience as co-President (and of course, she had to have been involved in all national security matters, right???).

Admitting she's was wrong just goes against her arrogant nature. That's the same type of hubris that's gotten Chimpy in such a mess. Of course, Chimpy's too stupid to know he fucked up. HRC knows better. She's not dumb, she just thought she could start running as the Dem nominee even before the first primary votes were cast (had to act tough to get the indy & GOP swing voters to accept that she's a badass).

Pride surely comes before a fall. And fall she will...

[oviedodem]

123. ** Illinois state record ** counts for something too

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html

[DemGa]

128. Oh wow...only two? And now he's a "transformative figure"? Oh my....nt

[jackson_dem]

139. If you "hope" enough he can be whatever you want to believe he is!

[CTLawGuy]

130. can you speak louder

I can't hear you from 150 pledged delegates ahead.

[jackson_dem]

138. The Obamite defense: marketing trumps a record of change

[CTLawGuy]

141. change.

changing living soldiers to dead soliders, that's Hill's record of "change."

[mtnsnake]

133. Good job, jackson. You've made it easy to see that the Goddess of Peace is the real deal. Wow!!

:thumbsup:

[Lilith Velkor]

143. OT: Where did the "Goddess of Peace" meme come from?

Thanks in advance for replying.

[LordJFT]

144. it sucks to be losing doesn't it?

[backscatter712]

146. I'll have to disagree with this.

But there are people far better than me at doing the homework for refuting this.

So I'll just link this Daily Kos article:

I Refuse to Buy into the Obama Hype (now a supporter)

Some tidbits:

The next President is going to have some MAJOR challenges.
I refuse to buy into the hype, on either side, but especially on that of Obama. However the "empty rhetoric" v. "history of accomplishments" arguments have prompted me to check it out on my own, not relying on any candidate's website, book, or worst of all supporters' diaries, like this one.

I went to the Library of Congress Website. The FACTS of what each did in the Senate last year sure surprised me. I'm sure they will surprise you, too. Whether you love or hate Hillary, you will be surprised. Whether you think Obama is the second coming of JFK or an inexperienced lightweight, you will surprised. Go check out the Library of Congress Website. After spending some time there, it will be clear that there is really only one candidate would is ready to be the next president, even better than Gore. If you don't want to spend an hour or two doing research, then I'll tell you what I discovered on the jump.

...

For example, she introduced one bill that offered tax credits for building owners who clean up lead paint. Which is a very good thing. And Obama is a co-sponsor. "S.1793 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide a tax credit for property owners who remove lead-based paint hazards."

Obama's anti-lead bill (S. 1306) directed the Consumer Product Safety Commission to classify certain children's products containing lead as banned hazardous substances. He had another bill prohibitting the interstate transport of children's products containing lead. (S.2132) And Hillary co-sponsored each of these.

In other words, they both care about protecting children from lead.

The difference is in the scope and the approach.

Obama's bill shows how he thinks big: do everything we can to make sure that lead-painted Thomas the Tank Engine toys don't get into the hands and mouths of millions of toddlers in this country.

Or Hillary: encourage people by offering tax credits to clean up lead paint in old buildings. People have been talking about lead paint in old buildings hurting kids in living in inner cities, since, well when I was a kid — for decades. If it is still a big problem, is offering tax credits for clean up, i.e. scrape down the walls and repaint, the best way to protect kids from lead?

How many of you parents have lead paint problems? How many have (or had) toxic Thomas the Tank Engine Toys? They are everywhere. The local bookstore and kid's shoe store and the doctor's office and the preschool and the toystore all have train tables. There is nowhere you can go anymore with toddlers that doesn't have a Thomas the Tank Engine train table covered with toxic toys. But that's just my feeling.

Obama's bills risk pissing off the toy industry and the Chinese. Hillary's risks nothing.

I know, I'm pushing the limit as to how much of an article I can quote (the actual article is much longer than what I've quoted), but I'm trying make a point in how Obama works legislation versus how Clinton works legislation.

Obama takes more risks. He has more ambition. He pushes hard to get real things done. Clinton tends to play it safe more, do the expedient thing that does little to change what needs to be changed.

And personally, I'm in the mood for the guy pushing for big change.

[workinclasszero]

147. Sold out to the credit companies with the middle-class killing bankruptcy law

voted to let the boy-king invade Iraq any old time he felt like it.

Yup Hillary sure has accomplished alot for her corporate masters and their war machine for profit in Iraq.

I'm sure Halliburton, Blackwater USA and Dick Cheney are happy with senator Hillary's work on their behalf!

And now Hillary is doing yeoman's work on behalf of the McCain campaign tryin to dig up dirt on Obama and his family that the Thug party can pick up and use in the GE this fall!


YAY Hillary!:sarcasm::puke::puke::puke:

[waiting for hope]

148. Thank you jackson_dem -

You have always provided clear headed, quality posts. The number of Straw Men present on this thread is a testament to the overall attitude here. K&R!