"The Obama campaign is trying to shut down the Democratic race before the rest of the country votes"

[Apollo11]

How do I know this? :eyes:

I read it in a list of "facts" on the homepage of a website paid for by Hillary Clinton for President: www.delegatehub.com

It makes Democratic Underground look almost respectful by comparison.

Edited to add: we are invited to send our comments to Hillary Clinton for President:
www.hillaryclinton.com/help/contact/

[Avalux]

1. Desperate much Hillary? That site is awful. n/t

[yourguide]

2. OMFG

I just opened one of the drop downs on one of her "FACTS"

"In the 2004 presidential race, the turnout in Michigan was only a quarter of what it was this year - and the 2004 turnout in Florida was less than half of what it was this year. With such dramatically increased turnout, Hillary won those two states and she did it with all candidates on an equal footing."


Yeah, sure...not being on the ballot is equal footing all right.

[Apollo11]

6. Michigan primary: "All candidates on an equal footing"

Well, I guess Hillary could say that Obama and Edwards made the choice to take their names off the ballot in Michigan. That is their problem, not hers.

Amazing logic! B-)

[KittyWampus]

3. Clinton's Campaign Has Told Voters In 10 States They Don't Count. And By Going The Super Delegate l

route they're telling ALL voters we don't count.

[rodeodance]

41. and now you tell the upcoming states their votes 'don't count" !! POT MEET KETTLE

[krkaufman]

56. Hey, let's keep voting. It'll just run-up Hillary's debt unnecessarily ...

... and do immense damage to the reputation of both Clintons and many associated with their campaign, while doing only light damage to our eventual Democratic nominee. It's possible that Obama may make some career-ending blunder at some point that rescues Hillary's campaign, but it's not likely.

If people are calling for Hillary to end her campaign, that's their right; just as it is their right to ask for the sun not to rise tomorrow. Who cares what people on DU are clamoring for? It's wholly unrelated to the real world -- and especially to anything the Obama campaign has explicitly said. But that delegatehub web page sure does make Hillary's campaign look bad.

[BanzaiBonnie]

4. Yeah, just keep up that negative campaigning

It's working so well, let's have more.:sarcasm:

[9119495]

5. She said it would be over after Super Tuesday on Meet the Press.

That would have "disenfranchised" many

[krkaufman]

58. Did she really? That's excellent! Wish we had the video clip. n/t

[9119495]

79. I'm pretty busy but you might be able to find it on

NBC. She said it on Meet the Press during her December 30th appearance (or that Sunday around then if I goofed on the date). Good luck.

[krkaufman]

86. Thanks for the date. I should be able to get a copy, based on that. n/t

[krkaufman]

61. It definitely appears that her campaign had no expectations or plans ...

... for campaigning beyond Super Tuesday.

http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=10055952

Clinton lacked coherent game plan for after Super Tuesday
By Patrick Healy and Katharine Q. Seelye
Thursday, February 14, 2008

She and her team showered so much money, attention and other resources on Iowa, New Hampshire and some of the 22-state nominating contests Feb. 5 that they have been caught flat-footed, or worse, in the critical contests that followed, her political advisers said.

She also made a strategic decision to skip several small states holding caucuses where Obama scored a series of big victories, accumulating delegates and momentum.

Her heavy spending and relatively modest fund-raising in January compounded the problems, leaving the campaign ill-equipped to plan after Feb. 5, advisers and donors say.

"It sure didn't look like they had a game plan after Super Tuesday," Rendell said in an interview Wednesday.

Doesn't sound like someone who was ready on day one.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. WTF!

FACT: Florida and Michigan should count, both in the interest of fundamental fairness and honoring the spirit of the Democrats' 50-state strategy


:wtf:

[Apollo11]

10. Hillary's Adventures In Wonderland

"Now we're through the looking glass here, people. White is black, and black is white."

Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison
Oliver Stone's JFK, 1991

[Apollo11]

32. .

:kick:

[Apollo11]

33. .

:kick:

[Apollo11]

34. .

:kick:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. .

[liberalnurse]

87. Great post Apollo!

They are thugs! Obamarites are evil-doers!

[onehandle]

8. The campaign may not be trying to shut down the race, but DU Obama supporters are.

Obama supporters here have been screaming for all Democratic candidates to drop out since Long before Obama was ahead.

[Apollo11]

12. Meanwhile, back in the real world ...

It looks like someone needs to take a reality check.

[onehandle]

20. Are you saying they haven't been?

Everyone knows that Obama supporters have been screaming for every one else to "give up" from long before he was in the lead.

Especially us Edwards supporters.

[Apollo11]

22. What if Edwards had beat Obama in Iowa, NH, Nevada & SC?

Then I think some Edwards supporters might have made the suggestion that maybe Barack Obama should think about standing aside and leaving the path clear for John Edwards, as the "candidate of change" with the best chance of winning the nomination.

Accusing other Democrats of screaming doesn't really help us any.

[onehandle]

28. But that didn't happen.

And doesn't change the fact that some Obama supporters have been trying to suppress DUer votes here since the beginning.

[CarbonDate]

75. Nobody on this board or any other....

...has the power to "suppress DUer votes".

You're correct: it didn't happen. Edwards didn't win any states, and correctly made a graceful exit.

That said, I think calls for Hillary to drop out are premature. We should wait and see where they stand on March 5. If Hillary scores big on March 4, then she's back in this. If Obama sweeps all four states, she needs to drop out and support Obama. If it's somewhere in between (which I expect), then it's debatable.

[enid602]

24. PR

I think they've recruited Tokyo Rose for their PR; all their tributes to their leader sound like those generally reserved for Kim Jung Il. For years, we've been asked to embrace a fake cowboy with a feigned Texas accent; now it's a senator who feigns a baptist preacher. And the issues take a back seat. Maybe Hillary's failure is that she's been more about the issues.

[cali]

35. no, everyone doesn't know. And a few vocal Obama supporters

are not most of us. I, for one, didn't give a damn what Edwards did, and I knew he was full of it with his impassioned baloney about staying in until the bitter end. And Hillary should stay in as long as she wants. I'll take some satisfaction from watching her campaign get dashed on the rocks of reality.

[Apollo11]

36. But it's our fault that John Edwards didn't keep his word.

I mean, maybe we held a gun to his head and made him say that he was staying in this all the way to the Convention?

[cali]

37. no. it's your responsibility

to have not bought into it, when it was just rhetoric. It was clear he wouldn't be staying in until the Convention after NV.

[onehandle]

48. Edwards was no messiah.

No walking on water for him.

I look forward to the coming Liberal Paradise.

[cali]

91. No group here was more adulatory toward their candidate

than Edwards supporters, who constantly spoke of him as if he DID walk on water. I know my candidate is flawed. I have no illusions. Many Edwardians on the oth, were constantly trilling about how only JE could save America and how he was the ONE.

[Indenturedebtor]

60. What????

I remember hearing that loud and clear from HRC supporters. Never not once from Obama supporters. Used to drive me freakin crazy from the HRC people.

Man this website is just another disgusting example of HRC's vile no holds barred campaigning.

[stillcool]

83. wow....he didn't win anything...

don't you remember? How could anyone give up? It wasn't until he won 10 in a row, that it was acknowledged that he won anything at all.

[harun]

18. A lot of the Obama supporters have come to Obama from other

candidates that have since dropped out. Why would we have asked for our own candidates to drop out? We didn't.

How can you support a candidate that creates something like: http://www.delegatehub.com/? Changing the nomenclature from Super Delegate to Auto Delegate to meet her agenda? That is neo-con propaganda tactics. People are leaving the Republican party in droves because they play childish games like that. They will head right back if we play games like that too.

[onehandle]

21. I don't support Hillary.

I provide a reality check perspective for DUers.

Read my signature.

[MissMillie]

9. Well, I know that the primaries are scheduled a certain way

and if there's a winner before they're all over then that's that.

(And let me state for the record here that I would say the same thing no matter who is the front-runner.)

A couple of weeks ago, the Far-right talking heads were complaining that they don't have a voice in this election. Well, they most certainly do have a voice. They are entitled to vote just like everyone else. Are they getting drowned out by a majority of people who do not vote as they do? They sure are.

That's what happens sometimes in a democracy. Sometimes, people who think differently than you do win.

[Captain Hilts]

11. They were trying to depict it as 'over' when OH, PA, TX had not yet voted and she had leads.

So, theylost some cred there.

He won by 2% among Dems in Wisconsin.

[Apollo11]

13. Obama's campaign is NOT trying to depict the race as over.

But when one candidate has won 10 straight contests in a row, it's kind of hard to avoid the conclusion that this candidate would appear to be on some kind of a roll.

[Apollo11]

14. Obama's campaign is NOT trying to depict the race as over.

But when one candidate has won 10 straight contests in a row, it's kind of hard to avoid the conclusion that this candidate would appear to be on some kind of a roll.

Edit: So good I said it twice! B-)

[rodeodance]

52. and YOU know that for a fact??

Obama's campaign is NOT trying to depict the race as over.
Posted by Apollo11

[Apollo11]

76. It turns out I was wrong. Sorry.

See my apology posted below (post #74).

[Connie_Corleone]

15. Hillary has taken the blue pill.

She's too far gone.

[Apollo11]

16. Viagra?

Are you sure those pills weren't Bill's? ;-)

[shadowknows69]

17. Just fucking shameless

You're really becoming an embarrassment Hil.

[Tellurian]

62. Watch Obama whimper like a beaten dog... as McCain cleans his clock!

Everytime Hillary dared to criticise Obama she was made out to be practicing dirty politics, well the gloves are off now. The Republicans are not going to hold back.

[Bongo Prophet]

90. Comparing either of our candidates to a DOG is pretty bad even for you Tellurian.

Low.

Extremely low.

[sniffa]

19. How does it compare to His44?

[catgirl]

23. I saw that too.

Funny, coming from someone who benefitted from fraud in the New York
election. She should tell that to the voters who were robbed.

And how about the voters who didn't show up in MI and FL because they
knew it didn't count anyway? They shouldn't have their say? Sure Hillary.

[bigbrother05]

25. Hillary doesn't want to hear

what I have to say. Dignity Hillary. But Donna Brazille said last night, Hillary is going to grasp on to anything, and throw it out there. Seems to me creating shit, when there is none, is a Bush/Cheney tactic

[Tellurian]

63. Oh, yes the undignified Donna Brazile..

the "Fire Starter"... she should be ashamed of herself throwing disruptive and troubling tantrums threatening racial problems and leaving the Democratic Party if Obama doesn't get the nomination.. phh!

[Arugula Latte]

26. OMG! Words of wisdom from Ms. Don't- Even- Try -'Cuz- You- Know- I'm- Inevitable

[Radical Activist]

27. The great thing about this is that you just know

that if Clinton were doing better right now then she would be arguing that super delegates should be backing her en masse to ensure her nomination. I bet she had two different sites arguing different positions set up and ready to go depending on what happened with the elections.

Its also bizarre in that it seems to claim that super delegates would be wrong to make Obama the nominee but at the same time argue that they should make Clinton the nominee even if she doesn't win the most earned delegates. Both arguments on the same page!

[SKKY]

78. Well, at least there's something for everyone on that page.

[MonkeyFunk]

29. So I guess I imagined all those threads here

demanding that she bow out, or even be thrown out of the party.

[Apollo11]

30. Don't confuse the Obama campaign with some of his fans here on DU

I would expect both candidates' official campaign teams to respect certain standards.

These include respecting the voters, and not spreading lies about the other candidate.

Unfortunately we cannot enforce the same standards here on DU.

The reference to DU in the OP was maybe not intended to be taken literally! B-)

Here we have to accept that folks are free to post pretty much whatever they want.

But still I think the majority of regular DUers do try to observe certain standards.

[radfringe]

94. just my 2-cents

I think Hillary is on the down slope. although the jury is still out - Texas and Ohio will render the verdict.

she's scrambling from behind, and instead of repositoning herself as an underdog or come-back-kid in a positive light, she's coming across with a shrill desperation of negativity.

the general election is going to be muddy and dirty enough.. don't need it in the primary race

the one both Obama and Clinton should be attacking is McCain. Regardless of whether or not the latest "scandal" hurts or helps McCain, he's all the GOPers have at this point and they will rally around him, and protect him.

need to poke a few holes in the wall of elephants he has surrounding him.

MORE OF THE SAME MCCAIN

IF YOU LIKE THE BUSH GAS PRICES, YOU'LL LOVE THE MCCAIN GAS PRICES EVEN MORE

IF YOU LIKE THE BUSH RECESSION, YOU'LL LOVE THE MCCAIN DEPRESSION

IF YOU LIKE BUSH IN IRAQ, YOU'LL LOVE MCCAIN IN IRAN (and elsewhere to be announced)

[HeraldSquare212]

31. It's the Clinton campaign's feebleness that will shut this down early.

[Tellurian]

64. It's the feebleness of Obama supporters who wish Obama's nom was in the bag...It's NOT!

Like Obama says: "If you can't BEAT em`... COPY em`" :rofl:

[blogslut]

38. So, it went live did it?

I guess my questions have been answered.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4646229

[Apollo11]

40. I guess so

:kick:

[rodeodance]

39. Why are you outraged at the truch? You forget that states have NOT yet voted

yet thread after thread demands that Hillary drop out.




"The Obama campaign is trying to shut down the Democratic race before the rest of the country votes"

[blogslut]

42. Well, Texas gets to settle this now

Or do you really want this thing to go on until June?

[Apollo11]

43. Has the Obama campaign said that Hillary should quit?

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Do you believe Barack Obama is behind every anti-Hillary post on DU?

For all we know it might be Bill trying to pull a double-bluff! :eyes:

[Yurem2008]

49. No, but they are hoping

for a little class from Hillabee to exit gracefully

[rodeodance]

51. get a grip--

[Alexander]

45. DU threads are not representative of the Obama campaign. The clue phone's ringing.

It's for you.

[Flabbergasted]

44. Why is she claiming it takes 2208 delegates to win the nod?

Is she including MI/FL?

[meow mix]

54. yup. shes banking on an MI/FL reality. shes gonna go as dirty as she has to...

shes gone over the edge

[LittleClarkie]

46. We've normally got a presumptive nominee by now, before most people have voted

She's just mad it's not her.

[Tellurian]

65. MAD as in Mad Dogs Kerry & Kennedy?

I'd love to be there to see Kerry's face when Hillary gets the nod!

I hope someone youtubes him.. Lurch goes apoplectic!

Guess who NOT invited to the Inaugural Ball?

:rofl:

[LittleClarkie]

67. I don't need Democrats calling Kerry lurch

I don't need Democrats bringing up Chappaquiddick.

And I don't need Democrats talking about the shame Bill brought upon the Dems just because he put his winkie in the wrong place.

And I'm not much on people going after Wes Clark either, though I haven't really seen much of that lately.

Disagreement I can understand. Bashing I don't. Best left to the freepers, it is.

Personally I'm more interested in civil debate than acting like a pubic toupee.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, who will be laughing when Kerry ends up in Obama's cabinet somewhere.

[Tellurian]

70. It's a personal opinion.. nothing to do with the Party!

And is it just me, or do Michelle Obama’s constant gaffes remind anyone else of Teresa Heinz Kerry’s bizarre outbursts in 2004? (the "shove it" comment!) :rofl:

[LittleClarkie]

71. Who the hell did you vote for in 2004?

Just curious.

[Independent-Voter]

50. I say let her flounder along. Nothing says "Success" like getting trounced by 17%

[krkaufman]

53. Wow, that site is a manifestation of desperation.

"Let's try and make Hillary's theft of the nomination appear to be legitimate by obfuscating pledged delegates and superdelegates, and by denigrating the value of caucus-derived pledged delegates."

So very sad, for whomever created and funded that site.

edit: p.s. Oh, what the hell... the page says "Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President". It looks like it'll be scorched earth, then, eh?

[meow mix]

55. fill that out and she'll sell your name to the telemarketers, like she does all her supporters.

shes depraved

[zulchzulu]

57. Hillary! desperatehub.com is OPEN!

It's a chance to make a mirror site of the delegatehub.com site!

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

59. SHAME on the Obama camp. Don't they want the upcoming states to "count'??

[Tellurian]

66. Only if they count for Obama..

the loss will all but destroy him... so close... but yet so far!

[LittleClarkie]

68. Hillary wouldn't care about the upcoming states if she wasn't leading in them.

The states she hasn't won didn't matter, apparently.

Enough shame to go around.

[Tellurian]

72. Michelle Obama if she becomes First Lady ...

will be the first FL to be the recipient of "The Jane Fonda Patriot of the Year Award"...

[LittleClarkie]

73. Seriously, who did you vote for in 2004?

Why do you seem to have such a problem with Democrats. And don't tell me it's personal opinion and has nothing to do with the party. Then why use the same attacks the Republicans use?

Do you only care about Hillary winning? Do you not also care about the party she belongs to?

Do you think you could refrain from agreeing with freepers regarding people who support the opposing candidate?

[Tellurian]

80. Faulty argument..

attacking me as something other than a Democrat is nothing more than a meretricious junk opinion coming from you just because I do not support your candidate. You seem to be forgetting this is a Primary Election where several democratic candidates have been vying for the Nomination. I'm supporting Senator Clinton as you well know, who is a Registered Democrat. There are many posters here who do not support her opposition Sen Obama (in case that factoid has escaped your eagle eye) stating their reasons for non support and may from time to time justifying same with rather unflattering news releases. Childish whining does little to help your response..

[LittleClarkie]

82. It's not your support for Clinton, but your promotion of strife on the board

as well as using Republican-like insults such as Lurch for Sen. Kerry. Disagreement is one thing, but incivility does little to help YOUR response.

[Bongo Prophet]

92. Way to stand up to the BS, LC. ---Respect, as always.

Some resort to really low tactics, to the point of hurting dems - at this crucial moment in history, when we have to rally to avoid the heartbreak of 2004 - it just floors me.

This time we will win, LC.
this time the tears will be jotful ones, and I look forward to getting there alongside you.:hi:

[nomorewhopper]

69. omg is that a real hillary site??

[XemaSab]

88. yup

n/t

[Apollo11]

74. ******* MY APOLOGY TO HILLARY CLINTON *******

It turns out that since yesterday (Feb 20th) the Obama Campaign IS saying that Hillary should quit.

I would like to apologize to Hillary Clinton and her supporters for not believing this yesterday.

Sorry folks - my bad! :hi:

The Guardian, London, England - Thursday, February 21, 2008

After 10 straight victories, Obama's camp claims wide lead and urges Clinton to quit

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington

Barack Obama's campaign team, riding a wave of 10 straight victories in the contest for the Democratic nomination after wins in Wisconsin and Hawaii, yesterday urged Hillary Clinton to bow to the inevitable and accept defeat.

Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, dismissed the Clinton camp's hopes of making a comeback when the power states of Texas and Ohio hold their primaries on March 4. "This is a wide, wide lead right now," Plouffe said in a conference call with reporters. "The Clinton campaign keeps saying the race is essentially tied. That's just lunacy."

The argument from the Obama camp appears designed to paint Clinton as a nuisance candidate - much like Mike Huckabee, who has continued to fight for the Republican nomination even though it is impossible for him to claw back John McCain's lead in delegates.

(...)

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/21/barackobama.hillaryclinton

[Tellurian]

81. Thank You for your honesty and integrity for publicaly admitting a mistake..

which is seldom the case here when dubious posters just 'move-on' after having been proven wrong.

Great example for defining ones character. It takes a much bigger person to admit they were wrong than sweeping the mistake under the rug and continue on as if the event never happened. It's commonplace here for accusers who were proven wrong going on hoping no one will notice or mention the error. .. Many Thanks, Apollo 11.

[stillcool]

85. how was he proven wrong?

I believe many here who read the headline, and the opinion, do not bother to read the quote that is the only basis the author used to made his/her case.

"This is a wide, wide lead right now," Plouffe said in a conference call with reporters."The Clinton campaign keeps saying the race is essentially tied. That's just lunacy."

[stillcool]

84. No. Read the words...

as they appear on the page....

"This is a wide, wide lead right now," Plouffe said in a conference call with reporters."The Clinton campaign keeps saying the race is essentially tied. That's just lunacy."

[BootinUp]

77. Its funny reading some of the comments here. I suggest reading the quotes

from Clyburn and Dean that are right there on the page, before you get too carried away trashing what the Clinton campaign is saying.

[XemaSab]

89. I'm surprised Howard Dean hasn't given her a "cease and desist"

:crazy:

[BringBigDogBack]

93. He's trying to win.

And he's doing a good job of it.

[Vinca]

95. I hope it continues to the end because if Obama doesn't win by a huge

majority, he'll be subjected to this kind of whiny crap for the next 4 years.