OBAMA BEATS MCCAIN (caps not mine)

[helderheid]

In a head-to-head matchup, Obama beat McCain 47 percent to 40 percent. He led McCain among independents, in all age groups except those above 70, and in all regions but the South.

McCain beat Clinton 50 percent to 38 percent in a head-to-head matchup. The Arizona senator led Clinton in all regions of the country, among independents and in all age groups.

"At least for now, these numbers suggest Obama has the potential to build a stronger general election coalition than Clinton," Zogby said. "They also suggest Clinton has a lot of catching up to do."

McCain picked up 18 percent of the black vote in a match-up with Clinton but only 3 percent against Obama, a possible sign at least some black voters would not put aside their allegiance to Obama if Clinton won the nomination.

"There could be potentially disaffected Obama supporters who will vote for Obama but not Clinton," Zogby said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2032989820080220?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[burythehatchet]

1. At this point it's really a given. Why Hillary won't admit that is beyind me. n/t

[Occam Bandage]

2. Obama wins everywhere but the South. Clinton loses literally everywhere.

[cali]

3. This really says quite a bit.

It speaks as much or more to Clinton's weakness as it does to Obama's strength. It may be just a snapshot, but it's a very telling one. Much of the country just can't stand her. Not saying it's her fault, but the entrenched resistance to her is very telling. And I don't think she could overcome it.

[helderheid]

8. That's my impression too. She may be a fantastic candidate but these numbers are quite alarming. If

we want to win in 2008, we need to support someone who will win.

[JustDavid]

19. My resistance came

when I was channel surfing and came upon Tyra. She had Hillary as a guest on her show. They was discussing the wide assortment of hairbows that Hillary has.

Hairbows.

A potential candidate for commander in chief of the US military is on TV giggling about hairbows!

[Jackpine Radical]

4. DUKAKIS BEATS BUSH

I do not in any way mean that as an attack on Obama, but we really have to be aware of what the Republicans are capable of on all fronts. They will slime us, lie, steal votes...in short, they scare hell out of me because election results in America in recent years seem to have had so little to do with the public will or welfare.

[berni_mccoy]

17. OBAMA IS NOT DUKAKIS

If Dukakis was as inspiring and moving a candidate as Obama, then I would agree. The reality is that Dukakis was as dry as Kerry. And that is all the RW needs to do it seems: attack the candidate's character.

[Jackpine Radical]

22. Let me try to put this somewhat graphically:

. <--My point-----------------------------------------Where your reply landed -------> *

[berni_mccoy]

24. LOL! But I respectfully disagree. It's actually good that Clinton has been sliming Obama

As much as she has because she is using up RW tactic after RW tactic. The McCain group is going, "Shit, she's using everything we had... we're going to have to come up with some more slime!"

But I agree. The RW character destruction machine has yet to roll. But this time, they won't be able to use the same tactics. Obama is proving to have a certain degree of teflon. And we are going to find out soon enough how slick that teflon is.

[Jackpine Radical]

28. I have a theory that Teflon is not an attribute of the person, but

is a condition assigned by the media. Reagan--the classic example--had Teflon because the news media would either expose nothing bad about him, or would do it in ways that did not arm him. For example, much of Iran-Contra was reported as a voice-over with video of Ronnie's pruny, grinning mug in the foreground and a waving American flag in the background. The video portion was so overwhelming that the audio message never got through.

This is why Republicans have Teflon and Democrats don't--or at least, Dems only have Teflon when the media want them to, for strategic reasons. As soon as Obama gets the nom, the Teflon comes off. Just watch. A case in point--the Rezko thing has no more substance than Whitewater, and so far it's been sailing beneath the radar. But when the Puggies send the Attack message out to the media it'll be 24/7 Obama scandals. Substanceless scandals perhaps, but attention-grabbers. It'll be Whitewater/Travelgate/Rezko/Willie Horton/Swiftboat...all the way.

As far as Dems taking shots at each other in the primaries, their shots are fired for the benefit of Demcratic audiences, and are often a substantially different kind of shot than the ones the Wingnuts fire. Republican dirt is intended to injure the candidate in the eyes of the casual, relatively uninvolved independent, while the Dem candidates are trying to sink each other among their base. Thus, I think the major problem with internecine warfare is that it alienates audiences who are impervious to right-wing attacks. For example, the Repugs were in no position to nail Kerry for having supported the IWR, so they nailed him for flip-flopping.

[Mr.Fitzgibbons]

20. At this point it is meaningless -- the Repub attacks on Obama have not started

and those attacks will be vicious, like the attacks aimed at Dukakis.

[Jackpine Radical]

23. Yes. That's what I'm trying to say.

I'm not in any way arguing for or against either candidate here. I'm only arguing that we need to gird ourselves for a battle against a team of cornered wolverines.

[scheming daemons]

26. Lee Atwater is dead, Karl Rove is "retired".......

...and McCain's people are not all that skilled.


And lastly.... Dukakis ran a campaign on "Competence and Experience". Yawn.

Is it any wonder it failed?

AND... he was running against a sitting President.



McCain will be running a campaign of "All Hope is Lost" against a campaign of "Man from Hope".

Obama is repeating Bubba's 1992 campaign.... and the GOP can't defeat that with the typical slime. Very few candidates have been as slimed as Bubba was in 1992... yet he won.

Obama is following the Big Dawg's playbook.... back from when the Big Dawg wasn't a caricature of his former self.

[Jackpine Radical]

29. Bubba woulda never made it without Ross Perot siphoning off

a whole mess of disaffected traditionally Republican votes.

[Cruzan]

5. "in all age groups except those above 70"

Uh, Uh. McCain has the grumpy old man vote. Better watch it.

[apnu]

6. Don't get too excited, it is still way too early to tell.

At this time in 2004, Kerry was beating Bush by 4-6 points. The time to start watching the polls for the GE is after both conventions.

However, being pleased by the polls is OK. Lets enjoy it.

[Occam Bandage]

12. It is, however, early enough to tell that Hillary has a very low ceiling.

[griffi94]

7. yeah and kerry was leading bush at this point

4 years ago...too bad the polls and surveys aren't what determines the winner.
the rw has been going all out to beat hillary...now that she's mostly done...obama is going to be the new target....the clips of michelles comments about being proud of america are already being used to fan the flames...and i just read where the 527 groups are starting to organize

[helderheid]

10. You are so right - but I fear the voting machines more than 527 groups.

[cali]

13. As I noted above, this says more about Clinton

and the strong antipathy toward her than anything else. And every day she adds to the rolls of those who will not vote for her. And yeah, there are new 527s forming- for Hillary. Not that it'll work.

[griffi94]

18. it won't work

but i wouldn't be surprised if the clintons decided to go slash and burn...they're already being accused of it...so why not go ahead.....she can do an awful lot of damage.....i think in the end
that's what will happen....the 527s will start the anti-obama drumbeat....mccain will keep his hands clean and run above the fray.....the democrats will never support hillary now...it's the democrats at this moment that are tearing her to shreds the repubs have been too busy trying to derail mccain...
hillary can't win...but obama can still lose..........

[crawfish]

9. I'm curious as to exactly how you can use somebody else's shift key

...but I do like your post. ;)

[helderheid]

11. Cut and paste

:D

[Coexist]

14. OWN YOUR CAPS LOCK, HELDERHEID!

MANY HERE DO - DON'T BE ASHAMED!

[helderheid]

16. LMAO!!! OKAY!!! I USE CAPS! I DO!!!!

:rofl:

[bluedawg12]

25. Cult Caps- brainwashed keyboard not free to unlock? LOL!

:sarcasm:

That was a joke helderheid. :)

[helderheid]

27. I got it - and laughed out loud!

:spray:

[K Gardner]

15. K&R

[psychopomp]

21. Barring unforseen catastrophe

Barack Hussein Obama will be our nation's next President.
:toast: