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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:04 PM
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I'm hearing LOTS OF SPECIFICS in Obama's Victory Speech Tonight.
Let's see how the DINO/DLC corporate whores are going to spin his specifics tomorrow morning.

J
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:05 PM
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1. Could you specify them for us?
:P
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:07 PM
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10. seniors making under 50k dont pay taxes
and LOTS MORE specific... this is an awsome speech.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:11 PM
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17. That one is gonna be lookin good pretty soon
for us.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:07 PM
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12. Too many to count at this point, but I like all of them! n/t
J
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:10 PM
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15. renewable resources/energy
out of iraq/taking care of vets/caring for troops when they come home
education infrastructure/ critique of nclb
creating employment/jobs
foreign policy - my job will be to keep you safe and renewed respect
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:49 PM
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28. Be still my pounding heart.
Can this be true? Somebody pinch me!
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:14 PM
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18. Restore habeas corpus
obey the constitution

I think Obama reads DU!

:)
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:18 PM
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20. And close Gitmo.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:20 PM
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21. Why don't you check out his speech?
I'm sure it will be on YouTube............
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:38 PM
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25. I will -- I was just making a joke.
The OP said Obama was making specifics, yet didn't list any of them in his post. ;)
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:05 PM
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2. In the past, I've complained at his lack of specifics. I'm not complaining tonight.
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 10:06 PM by Tesha
In the past, I've said that every time I've heard him
speak, I was less-inclined to vote for him.

Tonight, that's not true; he's delivering a great speech
with lots of specifics.

I hope this is the start of a trend!

Tesha
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:05 PM
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3. Yes I noticed
this as well. I really like what he said about providing $4000 education credit for community type services.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:05 PM
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4. he's been doing this for months
it's why I like the guy
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:06 PM
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Yes he has. Evidently some aren't really listening :-) "Perhaps they'll listen now"
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:06 PM
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5. I don't see how is is any less specific than Hillary
What is he supposed to do at a rally? Say, "now if you turn to page 18, line 6d of my health care plan..."

The real policy wonks can go on his website and download his position papers.

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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:06 PM
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6. He is definitely going into specifics
The Hillbots have no grounds to stand on anymore..
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:06 PM
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7. Me too. He's offered details on health care, the environment and offshoring.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:06 PM
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8. This is now a policy speech against the GOP
Hillary is in the rear view mirror.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:07 PM
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9. I think that may be the real difference! (NT)
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:07 PM
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11. Me too, and he still can give an inspirational speech doing it.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:08 PM
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13. this is a great speech, best one yet..
no teleprompt tonight like hill.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:09 PM
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14. His speeches have always had specifics. Hillary's speeches are no more specific laden than Os
That is just a talking point that the HRC campaign has floated out there hoping that people who haven't watched both of them on the stump might fall for.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:10 PM
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16. and as I noted in another thread, no teleprompters.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:17 PM
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19. He's running the best campaign I've ever witnessed
I'm guessing his people are great chess players. They're always ten moves ahead of their competitor.

Hey McCain, let's play! :evilgrin:
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:21 PM
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22. you ask for spacifics, I think he cover most everything, suprised me that he thinks so much like I d
First time I heard him speak, Bill Clinton and Kennedy couldn't do better.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:27 PM
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23. That was a speech and a half!
and I've seen all of them.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:32 PM
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24. all the naysayers needa copy of this
was good
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:40 PM
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26. some more specifics...
--he said schools should not base everything on standardized tests
--seniors making less than $55000 do not file income taxes
--end the war in Iraq in 09
--give a $40,000?) credit for college tuition in return for students doing community service to pay it back
--close Guantanamo
--end torture
--restore habeas corpus


that's some....specifics....
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:40 AM
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38. I think the school credit is $4000
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:44 PM
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27. but, but, he didn't thank the marching band!
my personal favorite- invest in early childhood development, no more teaching to the test, art, music, literature, social studies.

and no more homeless veterans.

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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:58 PM
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33. AND...
stop sending a billion dollars a day to foreign countries when we can revamp our energy policy by increasing the fuel effiecieny standards on cars (and he did this in DETROIT, not in front of some enviro group) and "generating revenue" from the polluters and investing that $$$ in energy reforms like bio-diesel, solar and wind energy.

Make sure our veterans aren't HOMELESS sleeping under a bridge! Make sure our veterans aren't BEGGING for disability payments. Make sure our veterans aren't standing in line at the VA.

Providing HEALTH CARE not DISEASE care

Lowering health care premiums by $2500 a year!

Providing a $4000 credit for college EACH YEAR in exchange for community service at homeless shelters, undeserved schools, and veteran's homes.

He said if he is our Commander-in-Chief, HE WILL KEEP US SAFE by not only hunting the REAL terrorists in the world, but by restoring our image in the world, by employing diplomacy around the world, by talking to our adversaries, etc.

and on and on!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:34 PM
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36. and on and on, without a teleprompter.
you know, being able to give a speech like that without a teleprompter, and being able to write a book ought to be required in the damn constitution.
speaking of which-
restore habeas corpus, stop torturing, obey the constitution. now there's some change for ya.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:51 PM
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29. HERE IT IS
http://blog.4president.org/2008/2008/02/senator-obamas.html

Senator Obama's Victory Speech In Madison, Wisconsin



Senator Obama's remarks as prepared for delivery

Today, the change we seek swept through the Chesapeake and over the Potomac.

We won the state of Maryland. We won the Commonwealth of Virginia. And though we won in Washington D.C., this movement won’t stop until there’s change in Washington. And tonight, we’re on our way.

But we know how much farther we have to go.

We know it takes more than one night – or even one election – to overcome decades of money and the influence; bitter partisanship and petty bickering that’s shut you out, let you down and told you to settle.

We know our road will not be easy.

But we also know that at this moment the cynics can no longer say our hope is false.

We have now won east and west, north and south, and across the heartland of this country we love. We have given young people a reason to believe, and brought folks back to the polls who want to believe again. And we are bringing together Democrats and Independents and Republicans; blacks and whites; Latinos and Asians; small states and big states; Red States and Blue States into a United States of America.

This is the new American majority. This is what change looks like when it happens from the bottom up. And in this election, your voices will be heard.

Because at a time when so many people are struggling to keep up with soaring costs in a sluggish economy, we know that the status quo in Washington just won’t do. Not this time. Not this year. We can’t keep playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expect a different result – because it’s a game that ordinary Americans are losing.

It’s a game where lobbyists write check after check and Exxon turns record profits, while you pay the price at the pump, and our planet is put at risk. That’s what happens when lobbyists set the agenda, and that’s why they won’t drown out your voices anymore when I am President of the United States of America

It’s a game where trade deals like NAFTA ship jobs overseas and force parents to compete with their teenagers to work for minimum wage at Wal-Mart. That’s what happens when the American worker doesn’t have a voice at the negotiating table, when leaders change their positions on trade with the politics of the moment, and that’s why we need a President who will listen to Main Street – not just Wall Street; a President who will stand with workers not just when it’s easy, but when it’s hard.

It’s a game where Democrats and Republicans fail to come together year after year after year, while another mother goes without health care for her sick child. That’s why we have to put an end to the division and distraction in Washington, so that we can unite this nation around a common purpose, a higher purpose.

It’s a game where the only way for Democrats to look tough on national security is by talking, and acting and voting like Bush-McCain Republicans, while our troops are sent to fight tour after tour of duty in a war that should’ve never been authorized and should’ve never been waged. That’s what happens when we use 9/11 to scare up votes, and that’s why we need to do more than end a war – we need to end the mindset that got us into war.

That’s the choice in this primary. It’s about whether we choose to play the game, or whether we choose to end it; it’s change that polls well, or change we can believe in; it’s the past versus the future. And when I’m the Democratic nominee for President – that will be the choice in November.

John McCain is an American hero. We honor his service to our nation. But his priorities don’t address the real problems of the American people, because they are bound to the failed policies of the past.

George Bush won’t be on the ballot this November, but his war and his tax cuts for the wealthy will.

When I am the nominee, I will offer a clear choice. John McCain won’t be able to say that I ever supported this war in Iraq, because I opposed it from the beginning. Senator McCain said the other day that we might be mired for a hundred years in Iraq, which is reason enough to not give him four years in the White House.

If we had chosen a different path, the right path, we could have finished the job in Afghanistan, and put more resources into the fight against bin Laden; and instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars in Baghdad, we could have put that money into our schools and hospitals, our road and bridges – and that’s what the American people need us to do right now.

And I admired Senator McCain when he stood up and said that it offended his “conscience” to support the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in a time of war; that he couldn’t support a tax cut where “so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate.” But somewhere along the road to the Republican nomination, the Straight Talk Express lost its wheels, because now he’s all for them.

Well I’m not. We can’t keep spending money that we don’t have in a war that we shouldn’t have fought. We can’t keep mortgaging our children’s future on a mountain of debt. We can’t keep driving a wider and wider gap between the few who are rich and the rest who struggle to keep pace. It’s time to turn the page.

We need a new direction in this country. Everywhere I go, I meet Americans who can’t wait another day for change. They’re not just showing up to hear a speech – they need to know that politics can make a difference in their lives, that it’s not too late to reclaim the American Dream.

It’s a dream shared in big cities and small towns; across races, regions and religions – that if you work hard, you can support a family; that if you get sick, there will be health care you can afford; that you can retire with the dignity and security and respect that you have earned; that your kids can get a good education, and young people can go to college even if they’re not rich. That is our common hope. That is the American Dream.

It’s the dream of the father who goes to work before dawn and lies awake at night wondering how he’s going to pay the bills. He needs us to restore fairness to our economy by putting a tax cut into the pockets of working people, and seniors, and struggling homeowners.

It’s the dream of the woman who told me she works the night shift after a full day of college and still can’t afford health care for a sister who’s ill. She needs us to finally come together to make health care affordable and available for every American.

It’s the dream of the senior I met who lost his pension when the company he gave his life to went bankrupt. He doesn’t need bankruptcy laws that protect banks and big lenders. He needs us to protect pensions, not CEO bonuses; and to do what it takes to make sure that the American people can count on Social Security today, tomorrow and forever.

It’s the dream of the teacher who works at Dunkin Donuts after school just to make ends meet. She needs better pay, and more support, and the freedom to do more than just teach to the test. And if her students want to go on to college, they shouldn’t fear decades of debt. That’s why I’ll make college affordable with an annual $4,000 tax credit if you’re willing to do community service, or national service. We will invest in you, but we’ll ask you to invest in your country.

That is our calling in this campaign. To reaffirm that fundamental belief – I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper – that makes us one people, and one nation. It’s time to stand up and reach for what’s possible, because together, people who love their country can change it.

Now when I start talking like this, some folks tell me that I’ve got my head in the clouds. That I need a reality check. That we’re still offering false hope. But my own story tells me that in the United States of America, there has never been anything false about hope.

I should not be here today. I was not born into money or status. I was born to a teenage mom in Hawaii, and my dad left us when I was two. But my family gave me love, they gave me education, and most of all they gave me hope – hope that in America, no dream is beyond our grasp if we reach for it, and fight for it, and work for it.

Because hope is not blind optimism. I know how hard it will be to make these changes. I know this because I fought on the streets of Chicago as a community organizer to bring jobs to the jobless in the shadow of a shuttered steel plant. I’ve fought in the courts as a civil rights lawyer to make sure people weren’t denied their rights because of what they looked like or where they came from. I’ve fought in the legislature to take power away from lobbyists. I’ve won some of those fights, but I’ve lost some of them too. I’ve seen good legislation die because good intentions weren’t backed by a mandate for change.

The politics of hope does not mean hoping things come easy. Because nothing worthwhile in this country has ever happened unless somebody, somewhere stood up when it was hard; stood up when they were told – no you can’t, and said yes we can.

And where better to affirm our ideals than here in Wisconsin, where a century ago the progressive movement was born. It was rooted in the principle that the voices of the people can speak louder than special interests; that citizens can be connected to their government and to one another; and that all of us share a common destiny, an American Dream.

Yes we can reclaim that dream.

Yes we can heal this nation.

The voices of the American people have carried us a great distance on this improbable journey, but we have much further to go. Now we carry our message to farms and factories across this state, and to the cities and small towns of Ohio, to the open plains deep in the heart of Texas, and all the way to Democratic National Convention in Denver; it’s the same message we had when we were up, and when were down; that out of many, we are one; that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us; and that we can cast off our doubts and fears and cynicism because our dream will not be deferred; our future will not be denied; and our time for change has come.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:52 PM
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30. Yeah, but your brief post is awfully general...
What specifics can you provide about Obama's specifics, specifically speaking?

Funny how networks covered it for like 50 minutes.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:54 PM
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31. I was as his town hall meeting today and he answered questions off the cuff.
He called on people from the audience; nothing on cards, nothing pre-selected, just people asking questions. He answered them in great detail, spending 10-15 minutes on each one. No teleprompter either (ha).

It's bullshit when they say he's got no substance.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:57 PM
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32. If Obama is elected President, it will renew my faith in our democracy.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:00 PM
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34. He has all the specifics he needs. You'll never convince the Hillites.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:10 PM
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35. He is smart ~ he listened to all the swipes and
made his speech "more specific" to please those that wanted to hear
what the "solutions" would be.

So...... he was better than ever tonight!

Thank you Billary for helping him to focus and use more of his "own words."

:ROFL:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:35 PM
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37. Those are just words. Pfffftttt!!!
Hillary doesn't use words, she just does stuffs. :spank:
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