Republican cross-over in Wisconsin today

[LadyVT]

Different parties, different motives
By Crocker Stephenson
Tuesday, Feb 19 2008, 12:19 PM

snip

Take Audrey Murray, a 74-year-old registered Republican. She said she voted for Barack Obama at Glenwood Elementary School in Greenfield - but not because she likes him. "I don't want to see Barack Obama get elected president," said Murray, a retired banker. "I don't want to see Hillary Clinton anywhere near the election." Murray said she believes a lot of Republicans are voting in the Democratic primary in order to weaken the challenge to McCain...

http://blogs.jsonline.com/allpoliticswatch/

This is what some of us have been posting about lately.

[Hepburn]

1. Well, then she should have voted for Hillary because....

...she is the sure loser to McCain whereas Obama is not.

[LisaL]

11. Hah, hah, hah.

If Obama gets the nomination, I am getting ready for president McCain.

[LisaM]

2. I think Hillary can beat McCain.

He is very beatable.

Thanks for pointing out the crossover vote. IIRC, Wisconsin was a red state in 2000 (thanks, Wisconsin!)

[Alexander]

12. Wisconsin was a blue state in 2000.

[LisaM]

26. Thanks. I looked it up. It was razor-thin margins both times

But Gore and Kerry both won.

I remembered it was close. It must have been Iowa that went for Bush one of those times.

[rodeodance]

29. and in 04- and 06

[michreject]

52. In 2000

self delete

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. Gravel could beat McCain.

[PeaceNikki]

23. WI was NOT a red state.

Not in 2000. Not in 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ElectoralCollege2000-Large.png




You're welcome.

[LisaL]

3. I think this sort of thing was going on pretty much from the

beginning.

[Mr.Fitzgibbons]

39. I agree - and this worries me as far as the GE is concerned n/t

[Ian David]

4. I fucking hate Republicans. n/t

[PaDem]

5. Obama should beat McCain, and could drum him..........

Hillary will have a very, very difficult time beating McCain. People who haven't come to this conclusion by now are in a fog IMO. The more rabid elements of the Republican Party hate Hillary so much that they're willing to hedge their bets in the general election by derailing Hillary now.

[stranger_with_candy]

6. Boo Hoo

I highly doubt a few idiot republicans with ulterior motives are going to throw this primary one way or another.

[cali]

7. This has been posted at least three times

and as has been noted, some repugs are crossing to vote for Hillary. I believe that's noted in the story you post.

[no name no slogan]

8. Woudn't be the first time, nor the last

people have been crossing over to vote in the opposition party primary since, well, they've had open primaries.

The funny thing is that there's probably as many crossing over to vote for Clinton as there are to vote for Obama-- and for the same reasons (i.e., the other candidate will be "easier to beat" in November).

This happens all the time. In both parties. It's hardly anything new.

[Birthmark]

9. Republicans wouldn't do that.

That would be naughty. Those Republicans voting for Obama and saying such things are really secretly Obama supporters.

I expect Obama to win in November with upwards of 80% of the vote.

:sarcasm:

[calico1]

41. Yep..

And he is going to win all 50 States in a landslide. And Republicans, even life long Republicans are voting for him because they like him!

:eyes:

[Mz Pip]

10. The reverse is also true

There are Republicans who are voting for Hillary because they think she is the easiest to beat and want to draw on her ability to energize the RW base who is less than enthusiastic about McCain.

I'd call it a wash.

[GarbagemanLB]

17. Shhh..don't let the Hillary supporters hear such rational thoughts, it upsets them.

[rhett o rick]

40. Is this you neutron??? Did you come back ?? nm

[book_worm]

13. well, my guess is Obama will win the Dem vote too.

[JustinL]

48. good guess!

According to CNN's exit poll, Obama won Democrats 53-46% and independents 64-33%.

link

[Guava Jelly]

14. YES!!!!

Let them think that! :woohoo:
I am going to love having a first lady of color :woohoo:

[JimGinPA]

16. One Old Lady - That's Quite A Sample Size

:rofl:

[Mz Pip]

21. Ding Ding Ding!

We have a winner! :rofl:

[David Zephyr]

18. This Obama supporter detests the idea of letting Republicans vote in any of our contests.

I'm hoping that Huckabee's strong chance to upset McCain in Texas will keep the idiots voting in their own primaries.

[cd3dem]

36. So if Obama knows republicans are voting for him to keep Hillary Clinton out?

does he still claim victory and insist super-delegates from that state vote for him based on republican voters????

Is this fair?

And do Obama supporters start a riot if they do not?

[LadyVT]

19. My point is actually not about Obama or HIllary so much as the Republicans,

and that this appears to be happening in Wisconsin today, as well.

[HeraldSquare212]

20. Yeah, but they don't seem to be voting for the same candidate, right?

Some for Obama cuz they hate Hillary, some for Hillary cuz they think McCain can beat her. What would be funny if this kind of cross-voting weakens McCain and restarts stories about the Rep primaries in a state of confusion.

[rodeodance]

22. oh, i believed it was true. damm

[MadBadger]

24. Yea, How bout this One? "I want to knock Obama out"

Huckabee supporter crosses over
By Crocker Stephenson
Tuesday, Feb 19 2008, 11:02 AM
Mike Burlingame, a 48-year-old corrections officer, is a Mike Huckabee supporter who voted for Hillary Clinton at Lincoln Elementary School in Cudahy.

Here's his reasoning: He really doesn't want Barack Obama. He thinks his vote would be wasted on Huckabee, so he's crossing over and voting for Clinton though he plans to vote for McCain in November.

Bottom line: "I want to knock Obama out."

Burlingame said the last Republican he voted for in a presidential race was Ronald Reagan.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/allpoliticswatch/archive/2008/02/19/huckabee-supporter-crosses-over.aspx

[rodeodance]

31. ha ha---i rather liked that one.

[nolabels]

50. Sounds like the prison got him thinking like a prisoner, how ironic

:shrug:

[stillcool]

25. hey how about posting the rest?

[NJSecularist]

27. According to the exit polls, Republicans consist of 9% of the electorate

in the Democratic primary. No small group indeed. They could swing the election towards a specific candidate depending on how close this race is.

[JustinL]

46. good thing they didn't

CNN exit poll with Republicans:

   Obama - 57%
   Clinton - 40%

CNN exit poll without Republicans:

   Obama - 56%
   Clinton - 42%

link

[CoffeeCat]

28. A handful of nimrods won't affect anything...

This is absurd.

Obama will win Wisconsin by double digits.

This little old lady, and the 12 other Republicans in Wisconsin who did this, are inconsequential.

HOWEVER! I'm sure Hillary will be using this as an example of why Wisconsin won't count.

Get ready for it!

:rofl:

[LisaL]

32. I doubt there is just a handful.

Quite a few ones on Free Republic are admitting they are planning to do just that.
There is probably a lot of this going on.

[CoffeeCat]

37. Oh please....

The Republicans have their own election going on.

It's not going to be that significant of a number.

Certainly not even 1/4 of one percent.

Yeah, the Freepers are just a tad bit off the charts.

I doubt it's even 100 people.

[LisaL]

42. They don't need to vote in their own election because

McCain has it in the bag.

[Benhurst]

30. Republicans only vote in our primaries because they love us.

They look forward to the day when we can all join hands and work together for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

:patriot:

[LisaL]

34. Don't forget Hope.

[Stand and Fight]

33. And Democrats -- here and elsewhere -- are falling for this...

Hook, line, and sinker. Sad. Sad. Sad.

[cd3dem]

35. This is another reason why we have super-delegates!!!!!!

Send yours a letter or call them urging them to vote according to who can best serve the party and our nation, not how the republicans voted in our primaries....

Are we to have our elections taken over by republicans???

Open Primaries have to stop and caucuses need to end!!!

[Cirque du So-What]

38. Funny that 'pugs are getting out the vote for Obama in Wisconsin

when they're calling for the same thing in favor of Clinton in Ohio - for the same stated reasons.

Ohio Republicans pulling for Clinton to win
By HOWARD WILKINSON
The Cincinnati Enquirer

One of the worst-kept secrets of the Ohio presidential primary is that Republican Party leaders have a candidate they are rooting for on the Democratic side.

Her name is Hillary Rodham Clinton; and they believe that if she wins the Ohio primary and goes on to become the Democratic nominee, she will be the one who unites their dispirited and divided party and gives them their best chance of keeping the White House this fall.

It is a belief that the Clinton campaign says is wrong; and they will campaign across the state for the next three weeks making the argument that their battle-tested, experienced candidate is the only one who can go toe-to-toe with John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee. this fall.

She'll need to do some convincing, fast.

more...

http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880218011

[OneBlueSky]

43. how much of this Republican crossover voting is aimed at helping to insure . . .

that Obama is the Democratic nominee, on the theory that he would be McCain's weaker opponent? . . . will these same people vote for Obama over McCain in November? . . . just wonderin' . . .

[Guava Jelly]

45. I don't buy that argument for a moment

Ain't nothing weak about this man.

[saltpoint]

44. Audrey's own party is a pathetic jumble of crooks, liars, thieves, and

psychotics.

I think that about wraps it up on Audrey.

[grantcart]

47. here are pictures of republicans crossing over in Texas

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4675112

[TheDonkey]

49. So Republicans made Obama win by 17%...... calling BS on that smear.

Sorry keep trying.

[cooolandrew]

51. Right, let's look at this another way if they are doing this was HRC electable anyway?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

53. Here's the problem...

They're trying to "counter vote" by crossing over to the Democratic Primary, but they aren't agreed on whom to vote for. If they wanted to "push" the weaker candidate toward the Democratic Nomination, they would be voting for Hillary (don't bother flaming me -- at least 90 days worth of head-to-head polling shows Hillary losing to McCain). The problem is that so many conservatives are consumed with irrational hatred of the Clintons, that some are voting for Obama to deny her the possibility of ever being the nominee -- and are pushing the stronger candidate toward the nomination.

I'd say that this activity appears to be light and uncoordinated. I don't see it having effected the outcome of the race in Wisconsin.