Why In The Hell Aren't Democrats Helping Defend Kerry?

[slinkerwink]

Where're the numbers of famous Democrat politicians on TV shows, and networks refuting all the Bush lies? Why isn't DNC running any ads to counter the Bush ads yet? What the hell is going on? The gaffe thing is killing Kerry and so is the latest Bush ad (which is a complete lie).

[revcarol]

1. Oh, but Joe Biden is out there,

proposing McCain as VP.

If he's all they can come up with, maybe we're better off with just Kerry.

[slinkerwink]

2. ugh----where's Clinton? A fundraising call isn't enough

[revcarol]

3. Hey, Clinton's trying to help Kerry...

so, since we haven't had the convention yet and still don't officially have a nominee...he's trying to let Kerry keep on the good side of the next HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER, KUCINICH!!

[slinkerwink]

7. Kucinich will never be house majority leader

I think the DNC should officially declare Kerry to be the nominee.

[revcarol]

11. We shouldn't have a convention, where all voices are heard?

Maybe you want to cancel the election, too.

We can't have any of that damn democracy, can we? Oh, wait, we're supposed to be Democrats, I forgot...

[slinkerwink]

12. we will have a convention, but the fact is that Kerry has the delegates

needed to be the nominee and Kucinich doesn't. This isn't going to be a brokered convention.

[Mairead]

70. The fact is that Kerry could drop over stone dead before the convention

Or could get a recurrence of the cancer. Or a new cancer, or have a heart attack, or get shot by some nutter, or a hundred other things.

Shouldn't you, in humility or honesty or respect for your readers or something, be less definite about events that are in the future and far from fully defined?

[Cocoa]

15. Kucinich on the ballot got the dems at least one voter

my anti-Kerry sister wasn't aware of Kucinich, wasn't going to vote until I told her about Dennis. His being a vegan, like she is, sealed the deal.

[juajen]

28. Why the hell can't Kucinich be House Majority Leader?

I say a clean sweep. Nobody in the dem side of the house or senate has fought hard enough to keep these idiots form destroying this country, probably because of "special interests", etc. Kucinich would be like a breath of fresh air. GO KUCINICH, GO!!!!

[bobthedrummer]

44. Right on!

Despite character assassination, Dennis isn't "far out", and has a great record of working for the people in Congress. He deserves a shot at something like House Majority Leader.

Maybe it's because he comes "with no strings attached"???

[slinkerwink]

60. because the Dems in the House won't vote for Kucinich because

he's too much of a leftist Democrat, not the centrist Democrat that they want for the House Majority Leader mantle. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[redqueen]

67. So, in other words

Dems in the house don't care about any of DK's ten points...

Good to know.

[JohnKleeb]

86. I doubt thats true

I dont know if Dennis could win speaker or majority leader but how about whip guys. Its a start. Just saying, with all fairness to Dennis, I think he should start out as a whip and make his way up.

[JohnKleeb]

83. our minority leader right now is a member of Dennis's progressive caucus

Pelosi isnt a centrist, shes actually quite liberal.

[Mairead]

105. "Pelosi's actually quite liberal" ? Compared to what, John? (nt)

[Hippo_Tron]

117. I think he should be Speaker, but it won't happen...

I think the house democrats want a moderate/centrist which is just a bad idea. Look at the Republicans, they've had Tom DeLay in leadership positions for 9 years and have yet to loose the house. Tom DeLay is by far the biggest fascist thug in Washington DC, he has said things far worse than Trent Lott's comments at Strom's birthday party, yet they keep him in power, they keep their majority, and never seem to have a problem getting their caucus to vote in line. Kucinich would be the anti-DeLay politically and wouldn't have the whole douche bag personality that DeLay has.

[sadiesworld]

5. I concur.

Clinton needs to kick it into high gear...NOW! If not, Dems will start to wonder if the pukes are right and he is holding out for Hillary in 2008. Hmmmm...

[slinkerwink]

6. exactly.....

*sigh*

[ewagner]

18. Agreed

he also has to get out there and counter the "Clinton let Osama get away" crap that's being played out on cable tv right now.

Clinton himself needs to answer these attacks.

[slinkerwink]

23. anytime that a Dem like Clinton doesn't stand up for himself makes me

wonder about his commitment to this election.

[fujiyama]

14. LOL...

If there was ever a politician that loved to hear himself talk, it'd be Biden. God, he really loves being in front of a camera!

[democratreformed]

4. Every time I see the * ad on tv, it is followed closely (or preceded)

by the Kerry AND Move-on ads. Is this not happening is other places as well?

[DaveSZ]

8. What state

do you live in Democratreformed?

At least we have Moveon to help us.

[democratreformed]

9. Arkansas

I see the ads every morning on my local CBS affiliate as I watch the morning news.

[democratreformed]

10. P.S.

It's kind of nice that his (*) ad is followed up or preceded by TWO answers.

[Darkamber]

17. in battleground states...yes...

Which state are you from? Some states are getting the full treatment and some are not. In WA we are getting hit with the Bush ads and were getting Move-on ads, but I haven't seen the move-on ads recently.

Personally, I'm happy to see Bush dropping all this money so early in the campaign. They are not convincing any democrats of anything. And the Move-on/Kerry ads will not convince the Republicans of anything.

A better counter move to this attempts at painting Kerry as a "tax and spend liberal", would be to show the deficient and how huge it has grown under Bush. Show the proposed Medicare plan and then show the actual figures. Show the graph that proves what will happen to social security in 10 years if the Bush Tax cuts remain in place.

Then show that by rolling back the tax cuts on those who make 200,000 or more, will help to reduce the deficit by 50% and protect social security.

The fiscal conservatives of the Republicans and Independents need to be shown that the Democrats are in fact the new 'fiscal conservatives' and the Republicans under Bush have become the 'borrow and spend Republicans." That is the stuff that the John McCain supporting group of voters hate about Bush and that is what we need to show.

[democratreformed]

49. I was infuriated the other day

when, on CNN, or one of those types, they were talking about the * ad and saying the 900 billion dollar tax increase comes from the cost of Kerry's health care plan. I was thinking "Surely people will not buy this crap.

[tobius]

61. the 900 billion figure is a shortfall partly from the health care plan,

kerry hasn't put together his complete budget yet. that leaves the other side the opportunity to "guess" how he will make up the shortfall. kerry has to ht back with how he plans to do it.

[adadem]

27. Not in Michigan

shrub only. Sickening.

[democratreformed]

48. Ugh! I couldn't take that. It is sure nice to see the Kerry and Move-on

ads here. They are both very good.

[juajen]

31. I am not seeing any of these ads in South Louisiana

What networks are they concentrating on?

[democratreformed]

47. Darn! I see them on my local CBS affiliate while I watch the morning news

I was sure hoping the same scenario was going on everywhere.

[Nazgul35]

69. same thing happening in Michigan...

lovely to see...

And there are different ads...today I saw a new one by the Work America (?) group....starts out showing smoke stacks of a factory, buit when the camera pulls back, it is a chinese factory....talks about jobs going over seas and the Bush admins' comment about it being good...

[madfloridian]

13. Kerry just repudiated Dean's statement.

About Spain. How about that, Dr. Dean. Just back off and shut up,huh?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-dean-spain,1,7407213.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

[slinkerwink]

16. I can't see the article

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

22. Posting link again. I see it.

Wait I saw it in another paper, hang on.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-dean-spain,1,7407213.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

Try link again while I find the other article.

[fujiyama]

21. What the hell...

is going on? All the momentum Kerry had a week or two ago is wearing off and it's starting to look like a mess.

Why the hell can't these guys coordinate what the hell they're saying?

[madfloridian]

24. Here is a link to another paper, easier to reach.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-03172004-266225.html
SNIP..."WASHINGTON - Presidential candidate John Kerry said Wednesday he does not share fellow Democrat Howard Dean's position that President Bush's decision to send troops to Iraq appears to have been a factor in the Spanish train bombing.

The chairman of Bush's re-election campaign called on Kerry to repudiate the comment that Dean made during a conference call arranged by the Kerry campaign.

"The president was the one who dragged our troops to Iraq, which apparently has been a factor in the death of 200 Spaniards over the weekend," Dean said as he defended Kerry from a Bush television ad that accused Kerry of turning his back on U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq.

Asked about the comment on his campaign plane Wednesday, Kerry said, "It's not our position."..."

Dean was defending Kerry on Sunday, got slammed by Jon Stewart for saying Kerry would work with world leaders and using the term internationalist.

Everyone has been yelling for Dean to fight for Kerry, and by God he is trying. Maybe Kerry does not want Dean speaking out. Dean never said it was Kerry's position. He was speaking for himself.

[Hav]

33. .

I'm glad that Dean is out there.
In my opinion Dean is 100% right but Kerry can still have his opinion and especially as the nominee, he has to be more careful.

Also, no Repub should tell Democrats to stop attacking them. Whenever I read something like that from these bastards, I'm getting sick because of their hypocrisy.

[Name removed]

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

62. *sigh* While I felt Dean was correct, once again (and I did not

understand it to be this way last night when I posted a hgh five to him) he MADE a statement on MTP and then TUESDAY was compelled to CLARIFY what he meant....all Kerry said was "That's not our position." Hardly a REPUDIATION.


Your statement DEAN IS RIGHT, BUSH IS WRONG communicates to me that you would rather be RIGHT than get rid of Bush.

Being right and $1.00 will get you a cup of coffee.

[AntiCoup2K4]

64. You can't get rid of Bush by agreeing with him all the time

And that's pretty much what Kerry's done with his voting record since the Coup. Campaign rhetoric aside, he's been one of the biggest Bush enablers around. Regardless of his so called "liberal voting record" which is constantly referred to by his supporters.

As if Harry Truman's quote on the subject wasn't enough, the 2002 midterm fiasco proves it beyond any reasonable doubt. You don't beat Republicans by acting like Republicans. If Kerry wants to beat Bush Jr, he has to call the fucking bastard out on everything he's done wrong. And considering he's done everything wrong, I don't understand why that's so damned difficult. If people see no difference between Bush and Kerry on the issues, they'll vote for Bush. Here's an analogy... If you're riding on a bus that you know for a fact is going to drive over the edge of a cliff, and your only other option is a different bus that's going in the same direction, what would be the reason to change buses?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

66. Your selective deafness in the matter doesn't impress me

YOu can spin Kerry's handful of votes into agreeing with Bush or you can read his statements and be honest. Kerry has NOT agreed with Bush and has done a great job of countering Bush's logic and agenda.

It isn't Kerry's job to back up Dean although I am sure he would have had DEAN actually won more than his own state.

As far as the rest of your convoluted post, nobody knows better than Dean how to drive a car off a cliff.

[dsc]

114. Reread your post and ask the following

If Dean had won and Dean people had posted what you just did would you

a) be more inclined to vote for Dean

b) be less inclined to vote for Dean

Being right and $1.00 will buy you a cup of coffee. Are you really interested in getting Bush out or rubbing our noses in it?

[MrBenchley]

39. Rope-a dope!

The Republicans have been using this trick with lies for years, and it's good to see the Democrats pulling it with facts for a change...

[juajen]

43. Hey, be nice to the good Doctor

He was taking up for Kerry and I think what he said was totally correct considering the circumstances. I realize that Kerry had to cover his butt, but Dr.'s comments were good. Me thinks they're playing "bad cop" "good cop". End result, getting the message out without Kerry taking the rap. Good show, mateys.

[slinkerwink]

63. I don't know if it was a bad cop/good cop thing

[Hav]

19. .

Maybe the Repubs know better how to do the attack work? Maybe Dems wouldn't get the coverage like it's achieved by an ad in TV? No idea.
But as soon as Dems attack, Repubs are put on the defense because it's hard to deal with the truth.
Pretty much all Bush ads somehow distort the truth. That's all they can do because the truth is not on their side.

But yes, Dems should never stop attacking.

[MrBenchley]

20. Ummmm...

Perhaps because the GOP is busy making asses of themselves without any help?

What gaffe thing is killing Kerry? The "lying crooks?" Most people agree with that. And the latest Bush ad is running in one state and one state only...and is transparently hooey.

[Hav]

26. .

It might be transparent for you but I assume that many will believe it.One part because they want to believe it and the other part because of ignorance. Sadly that is how it's working.
And when someone has the image that you vote against the security of the servicemen then it does really hurt much.

[MrBenchley]

32. Why would you assume that?

Do you think there's anybody actually in the military who isn't aware of who tried to cut their pay? Do you think that an ad is going to convert dittoheads?

Frankly I think that an ad pointing out that Kerry opposed the extra $87 billion for Iraq is a plus for Kerry...since most Americans didn't (and still don't) think that was such a hot idea, given the needs here at home. And nobody is under the delusion that the $87 billion meant a pay raise for the military.

It's a long campaign....there's no sense in shooting your wad in March...(which is why the current Bush campaign stinks of flop sweat).

[Hav]

40. .

Well, you are arguing with logic. But how many who got screwed from Bush will still vote for them?
About that 87 billion vote, I think what most see in that ad is that Kerry voted against protection for the servicemen. They are picking that thing out from the whole 87 billion vote and that does hurt Kerry.
On the other side, I agree and I too have the feeling that Bush spends quite much now to make Kerry spend. They know damn well that they have an advantage when it comes to the money. So it wouldn't be wise to counter with expensive TV ads but I would like to see lots of Dems speaking out in support of Kerry and point out the lies in these Bush ads.
I am not sure whether the statements from the Kerry campaign are enough though.

[MrBenchley]

58. I disagree...

They can claim what they want....it wasn't Kerry who said "Bring 'em on" or forced families to buy body armor out of their own pocket.

"I am not sure whether the statements from the Kerry campaign are enough"
Hell, just the spectacle of pResident Turd demanding to know the names of world leaders is enough....he's doing enough damage to his own chances by himself.

[GemMom]

110. About that 87 billion vote....

About that 87 billion vote, I think what most see in that ad is that Kerry voted against protection for the servicemen.

What my friends are saying is that they think Kerry waffles.

[juajen]

46. The vote against the 87B has been explained.

He voted against it because they would not show how they would spend the extra 20B. He was for the money going exclusively to troops. Quite a few voted against it for this reason only and they stated clearly that they were not voting against the money for the troops, but against the extra amount that the pugs just wouldn't 'splain where t'was going. My how they do spin!

I agree, we need more of our own spinners out there. Could it be that the networks aren't permitting them to come on? Anybody got the skinny?

[tobius]

79. is this true?

Kerry, Cheney Spar Over Iraq War, National Security
Washington Post - 45 minutes ago
... Cheney cited Kerry votes against a number of weapons systems and said he had voted against military pay increases at least a dozen times. ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1283-2004Mar17.html

[Mairead]

107. I certainly think the "lying crooks" is the best thing he's said! (nt)

[THUNDER HANDS]

25. because spending money now is pointless

Bush's goal is to put out a new ad virtually every week, hope Kerry counters and spends all his money months before the General Election.

If Kerry has to keep spending money to counter every Bush ad, he'll never save any in the bank to use towards the last three months of the campaign, which are the crucial months.

[redqueen]

30. Which is why the primary was better for Democrats with

two or three contenders. We got help from the mainstream media, who gvae the Democratic side of the argument in major papers, in newscasts, etc.... now that it's only Kerry... not so much.

:(

[THUNDER HANDS]

34. well, it wasn't going to last forever

Eventually the Bush money machine would have gotten rolling. And if the nomination were still going on, that would mean Kerry, Edwards and whomever would have even less money than Kerry does now.

[redqueen]

45. Nothing does

However nothing dictates that they must spend lots of money. They could just as easily be more frugal and still get their responses to these charges published.

[MrBenchley]

35. Meanwhile the Pirates of Enron look desperate

and dishonest...

When they have to go negative in March, it means there's NOTHING that they feel comfortable pointing to as an accomplishment. (Consider that their POSITIVE ad basically touted that people died on their watch!)

[Darkamber]

42. exactly...

Let Bush spend all the money he wants now. It will not effect anything later in the game when it matters.

[AngryAmish]

74. I thought that the new Campaign Finance law changed that

Please correct me if I am wrong. I thought that the dough they have now they have to spend before the conventions and fed'l financing of about $40 mil is to be spent b/w the conventions and the election. So they are even money-wise b/w the convention and the election.

[F.Gordon]

29. I just love the new "fast food" politics

The gaffe thing is killing Kerry and so is the latest Bush ad

:crazy:

[Uzybone]

71. LOL

logic, issues and sense all microwaved away.

[Nicholas_J]

36. Clinton's Chief of Counter Terrorism

Has a book coming out next week which gives a full history of the Clinton Administrations success at preventing over 20 terrorist attacks on the U.S. between 1993 and 2000, and the attempts of Clinton and his team to attempt to get Bush to take AL Qaeda seriously, and the fact that Bush and his adminisration ignored all intelligence Clinton provided, even reliable intelligence that indicated that their was an imminent threat of attack by Al Qaeda, in which they would attempt to fly large passenger jets into large buildings or Washinton DC itself.

This is being done in response to the Bush Campaigns attempt to portray Clinton as having been weak in his responses to terrorism while portraying Bush as strong. The book is being brought out in order to show how Al Qaeda Succeeded at its very first attempt at a terrorist attack on the U.S. as soon as Bush became president, and it is also being done to support Kerry as the stronger candidate on National Defense and the best person to handle the War on Terrorism because if his involvement with it on Senate Comittees during the time the CLinton Counterterrorism team was effectively prevnting terrorist attacks.

Once this book comes out, Bush is not going to appear to be the best candidate to be a war president, and Kerry will be looking far better. After the book is published, a number of other members of the Clinton staff will be doing interviews on these events, including Sandy Berger.

Clinton is making all of his staff who were involved with Foreign Relations and terrorism to the Kerry campaign in order to debunk the myth of Bush being strong on nationa defense, and in fact lays the blame for 9/11 squarely at the feet of Bush and thefact hat they chose to ignore every bit of intelligence which was available prior to 9/11, which was very accurate in determining exactly what Al Qaeda was planning to do.

[LandOLincoln]

38. Weren't Kerry and Clark supposed to be in NYC today?

For important meetings of some kind? Isn't that where the Big Dog is hangin' these days?

War council, anyone?

Joint press conference, maybe?

Clinton endorsing Kerry, now he's got the delegates?

Kerry announcing Clark as his Veep?

All three of them stepping down hard on the latest RW news cycle?

A girl can dream, can't she?

BTW, Holbrooke and Perle face off on Hardball tonight. Wouldn't miss that for the world.

[BootinUp]

53. Reach for the stars, baby!

"Nothing happens unless first a dream." - Carl Sandburg

[sangh0]

41. So Dean, Clelland, Clinton, Biden, Pelosi, Kennedy aren't enough?

I agree. We could always use more assisatnce but it's not as if no one is out there defending Kerry

[juajen]

54. Hey, don't ever forget The General

Even if it is not televised, you can bet wherever Wes Clark is, he is taking up for Kerry. "Dependable" should be Wes's middle name, say, introducing,"The Great General Wesley 'Dependable' Clark." I like that.


Edited to add: I forgot to say beautiful, brilliant and brave. This campaign has given me so many wonderful democrats to love. What an absolutely great primary season. We have never looked so good.

[sangh0]

65. Yes, the General too!!!

He's an Army of One!

[Jai4WKC08]

68. "Army of one" lol

Clark has been out supporting Kerry all over the country, but perhaps most importantly on cable news too. Repeatedly. As recently as two nights ago, on Scarborough Country. Makes mincemeat of Bush and the neo-cons everytime.

Transcript at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540825

Video at:
http://www.video4clark.com/vidclips/MSNBC_031504.WMV

[maddezmom]

81. got 3 different emails from James Carville today

it's starting... :)

[tobius]

50. hard to help when he brushes it off. the boston globe reporter

said more he continues to say foreign, dean connects bush to spain- kerry says it's not his position. and now his defense on military spending is that he voted for the 87 billion then voted against it..?...?

[blm]

51. Richard Holbrooke and Joe Biden did a great job.

Why be so feint of heart?

We will come out ahead on every issue. You just have to be part of the solution, and not the panic.

[eissa]

52. You're right slinky

I've been worried about the DNC from the start. My biggest fear was really not so much who we nominated (because anyone is better than *), but if our leadership would be able to get it together. I'm trying not to be too pessimistic right now; I'm hoping they have a plan, any plan, to get out there and fight (eventually). Maybe they just think it's too soon right now? Perhaps they're waiting until late summer/early fall? Sort of like Kerry's Iowa strategy -- come in towards the end and take it? Fingers crossed.

[slinkerwink]

56. It's just that right now Bush is successfully defining Kerry, and Kerry

can't afford to be defined at this stage now.

[Desertrose]

73. here's a jolly thought...why doesn't Kerry simply

define himself and then stick with it...you know -unlike the way he evaded the liberal label when DK asked him on the debates?

Why won't Kerry stand up- say who & what he is and stop trying to play the game with the Bush attack ads? We don't need a dem to play to the repubs...we need a dem to play to the dems...or we'll bloody well lose again.

He needs to take the ball back into his court & stop playing catchup or defense.

Dems are not gonna win if they let Bush define him. You thought the "stupid" chimp was annoying...wait'll you see him go into attack chimp mode...it won't be pretty and the Dems better damn well be prepared.

This has been my big concern all along...that there is too much shit Kerry can be spun on.

But hey...thats just my tiny little worthless 2cents .

Peace
DR

[mzmolly]

55. Because they are unorganized and have their heads up their ass?!

Gawd - It's f**king ridiculous isn't it?

[slinkerwink]

57. yes, it is! next week, there should be a full Dem offensive in the media

pull out all the old Dems such as Clinton, Gore, and Carter to speak out against Bush. Have Clinton on talk shows, and especially the Jon Stewart show.

[mzmolly]

59. I agree.

Love the Jon Stewart show idea! :hi:

[Leilani]

72. That's Wierd, Slink

I was just wondering the same thing!

Where are all the Dems to attack Bush, & support Kerry?

I am in Hawaii, a SAFE Dem seat, short of a 49 state landslide, & I am seeing Bush commercials every 10 minutes.

What's going on?

[slinkerwink]

85. precisely----what IS going on? why is kerry even taking a vacation?

I think that faced with the Bush machine, Kerry can't afford to take vacations. *sigh*

[jpgray]

75. Because the media are not under our control (nt)

[democratreformed]

76. Yes, I agree with this one.

You can SAY whatever you want to but, if someone does not report it, or give you a media outlet to say it on, it is useless. (Trust me, I have experience - lol).

[Zynx]

77. It's a damn good question.

I knew Bush was going to have a swing back his way around now, but we shouldn't hand it to him.

[Andromeda]

78. Former ambassador to the U.N., Richard Holbrook was on CNN the other day

defending Kerry against the Bush administration's whining about the comment Kerry made about how some foreign leaders have said that they want Bush out of office and are rooting for Kerry to win. They've been demanding that Kerry reveal who the leaders are that made those comments.

Holbrook said that it's the truth and that he has talked to many foreign leaders himself that have said the same thing.

I'm still looking for the transcript and when I do I'll post it. The interview was with Wolf Blitzer and Holbrook was great.

[slinkerwink]

87. no media channel is going to carry repeats of Holbrook because

he doesn't have the same pull as Clinton saying a memorable soundbite in Kerry's defense that will be played for weeks on end.

[progressiverealist]

80. here in Wisconsin (definately a battleground) it's Bush 24/7

especially in smaller markets like the one I live in.

[MoonRiver]

82. I'm depressed as hell, slink.

Right now, * should be singing this tune: "nowhere to go, nowhere to hide" Instead, the Pukes are rolling their lies and propaganda forward with little opposition.

[slinkerwink]

89. same here too

:-(

[Dr Fate]

100. Hard Work cures depression.

I'll be working hard for Kerry & DEMS this Summer, no doubt.

I dont mean to be so blunt, but we need to get over all this negativity and get to work- we can do this!!!

Kerry & many DEMS are fighting hard- I've been seeing it. We need to make sure they keep it up and turn it up!!!

[Dr Fate]

84. Democrats & Kerry are kicking ASS, actually...

Did you see Kerry's speech today?

How about the DEMS in congress realesing the 257 lies told by Bush about Iraq?

How about Rangel calling on the Chickenhawks on CSPAN today?

How about Bill Clinton's new fundraising effort for Kerry?

How about Clark, Dean & Edwards sticking up for Kerry at every chance?

[slinkerwink]

88. it's still not enough----we need our own liberal media network

[Dr Fate]

90. Well, we dont have one. Time for plan B...

...Are you volunteering for Kerry?

I am.

We may not have the media, but we all have two arms & two legs.

Grassroots it is, baby!!!

We cant fold and be discouraged- Kerry is kicking but and we ALL have to help him.

Come ON folks!!!!

[cosmokramer]

91. Clark is out there defending Kerry all the time...

...as are Biden and Harry Ford and others.

Are you watching only Faux News Channel and missing it ?

[slinkerwink]

92. I don't watch Fox or any cable network shows but I never hear

media stations repeating Clark's anti-bush quotes, while they repeat and give free advertising to whatever Bush says. We really do need our own media network.

[cosmokramer]

99. I do agree we need our own media network.

The neocons have taken over broadcast news.

[Dr Fate]

93. A DEM helps Kerry: (Link incuded)

Clintons E-Mail for Kerry Cash
By GLEN JUSTICE

Published: March 17, 2004


WASHINGTON, March 16 — Former President Bill Clinton and a cast of other Democratic heavyweights began an Internet-based drive on Tuesday to raise $10 million for Senator John Kerry in the next 10 days.

Using top-name Democrats to solicit contributions using e-mail, the drive comes as Mr. Kerry is ramping up his efforts to collect $80 million by the Democratic National Convention in July. He will start a 20-city tour this month, which could take in up to $20 million; the campaign has already raised $11.5 million over the Internet since March 3. President Bush, by contrast, has raised at least $159 million....


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/17/politics/campaign/17CLIN.html

[Dr Fate]

94. MORE DEM ass kick'n:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush and four top advisors made a combined 237 misleading public statements on the threat posed by Iraq, Democrats charged in a congressional report released on Tuesday.

The report compiled by Democratic staff of the House Government Reform Committee examined assertions made by Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and national security advisor Condoleezza Rice.

The report was requested by California Rep. Henry Waxman, the most senior Democrat on the committee and a tenacious critic of some of the contracts awarded to businesses to rebuild Iraq.

``Prior to the war in Iraq, the president and his advisors repeatedly claimed that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction that jeopardized the security of the United States. The failure to discover these weapons after the war has led to questions about whether the president and his advisors were candid in describing Iraq's threat,'' the report said.

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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-politics-iraq-stateme...

[slinkerwink]

96. fundraising is nice, but we need a MEDIA barrage!

[Dr Fate]

98. I agree with some of your premise....

...Kerry and the DEMS are trying to get airtime...

One way to do this is to make "outrageous" statements. This seems to have worked for Kerry so far.

Do you think his statements of late ("lying crooks" "leaders want Bush gone", etc) are accidents??? I dont.

Do you have a solution or any ideas???

I agree that we need more media time- but I disagree that Kerry and DEMS are not working on this- with some success.

It's up to us to help them out in every way we can.

They have the media, but we are the people!- dig?

[WilliamPitt]

95. Richard Clarke's 9/11 book is coming out

and they're rolling out all the Clinton admin officials to all the talk shows to discuss it. Stay tuned.

[slinkerwink]

97. when is Richard Clarke's book coming out?

[Nicholas_J]

108. Its coming out on March 22nd

n/t

[Exgeneral]

101. and when Dean tries, he runs away

which I totally don't get; Dean told the simple truth about the Spanish bombing and Kerry could have made NO comment but instead he wimps out and makes a statement against a fellow dem.

I just don't get this guy.

[slinkerwink]

102. kerry just wants to play it safe

:shrug:

[Exgeneral]

104. I'm really sick of this democratic strategy

it hasn't worked YET. :grr:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

113. Dean ran away from his own comment...why fault Kerry?

[flaminbats]

103. who could forget Dave McCurdy helping Clinton at the VFW halls in N.H..

or Ron Brown fighting for Clinton on the networks that fall? Who could forget when Lloyd Bentson or Boren went to negotiate on Clinton's behalf to keep Perot out of the race? Even Gephardt, Mitchell, and conservatives like Jim Cooper helped to defend the Clinton/Gore campaign during tough times in 92.

Kerry has enough big endorsements and super-delegates to organized this kind of media response team. The real question is..when will it happen?

[Piperay]

106. Charlie Rangel is

out there, so is Dean he was on Meet the Press. I have seen lots of Democrats answering back.

[flaminbats]

115. Charlie Rangel on TV, wow!!!

so what else is new? :eyes:

[cally]

109. I almost can't believe you would ask this question

You moderate a site that supports bashing Kerry. Lot's of Dems are working their asses off trying to defeat Bush. You wonder about the Kerry campaign? I'll turn this back on you. What have you done to defeat Bush?

[shance]

111. I almost cant believe YOU would make this statement.

Listen sister weve been busting our BUTT to tell the truth and defend Democracy.

You can essentially go f*** yourself if you think your holier than thou attacks help this party.

What the HELL are you doing to defeat Bush by attacking those of us who are trying to pull this party together DESPITE the SLAUGHTERING of Deans campaign, by of course some of our own.

But Deans above the small mindedness. If he is, I AM TOO. That simple.

WHAT ABOUT YOU?????? Get OFF our backs and look at your own back yard.

[askew]

112. I've been wondering the same thing.

For the first time that I can remember, Minnesota is considered winnable by the Republicans so we have had Bush ads here constantly, along with all of the free media Bush gets is really hurting Kerry. The only counter-ad I have seen is from Workers in America about job out-sourcing. The other problem is that the Republicans are defining this race about Iraq and terrorism, which are considered by most Americans to be Bush's strongest areas. We need to return the focus to what has traditionally mattered most to voters (even during wartime) the economy and domestic issues. This is Kerry's strong suit and where there are significant differences with Bush. Also, we need to stop relying on free media and talk shows and start airing ads about the economy. If Bush wants to hit Kerry in Kerry's weakest area, I say we do the same to Bush by airing ads about the economy, healthcare, and education under Bush.

[TheDonkey]

116. Very little money and media attention

the media is working overtime to ignore Kerry's group of supporters inlcuding the DNC chair (how much coverage did the debate get? o yea none.) plus the other democratic canidates who are backing Kerry.

People who have been strangely absent have been Lieberman, Gore, and the celebrities.

[slinkerwink]

118. it all makes me wonder....

[foo_bar]

119. maybe Gore learned not to (s)peak too soon

There's 7 1/2 months to go. If Kerry has any talent, it's closing the race at the best possible moment (right before the finish line, that is). He did it to Gov. Weld, he did it to Gov. Dean, and Gov. Bush only mustered a photo finish asterisk last time around.