Someone name me a Gore voter voting Nader this time!

[fujiyama]

I seriously doubt a signle person person (OK well maybe a few), could name a person that voted for Gore, that is going to vote for Nader this time.

On the other hand, I can name you a several people that voted for Nader, that will vote for Kerry this time. I know there are many on this board who will do the same, because they like most '00 Nader voters realize what a disaster Bush has been.

So, quit whining about Nader's 7% in some Goddamn poll. He's NOT going to get 7 fucking percent in nationally or in any state. It's just not going to happen. Let's look at Perot -- the funny looking, pointy eared sumbitch got a whopping 17% in '92. In '96, he recieved 8%. He got less than half of what he got previously, and he drew from both parties.

Nader is irrelevant, and I will even be so presumptuous to say that Kerry need not even address him (and he's been smart enough not to thus far). As the Magistrate says, "Let's go get those Bush Bastards!"

[Bombtrack]

1. Maybe he'll get 7 percent in Alaska. I don't care if that happens

although I'm not sure if that would hurt Tony Knowles in his senate race. BTW Nader got 10 percent of Alaska in 00

[fujiyama]

3. That's true...

We have no chance in AK anyways, so it's irrelevant.

As for the senate seat, is it truly that competative? I heard there was something about Murlakowski (sp?) and nepotism or whatever and it's hurt the GOP chances. It'd be great to snag another senate seat (anything to make up for those southern dem retirees).

[Warren Stuart]

2. My Brother-in-Law voted for Nadar in 2000

I've heard through the grapevine that he recently registered as a Democrat.

So whoever is keeping score here's a -1

[Mairead]

4. How about a Gore voter voting Kucinich? Close enough?

Because that describes me. I held my nose and voted Gore, and then watched in open-mouthed disbelief as he betrayed us.

So this time I'm voting from my hopes, not my fears: Dennis Kucinich, check-off or write-in.

[fujiyama]

5. Fortunately...

I think you're in the minority. You obviously are smart enough to know how bad Bush has been, but for idealogical purity are not supporting the only candidate that can defeat him.

Kucinich is a good guy, but I don't think he'll even have a say regarding the platform with the number of delegates he has.

[DaveSZ]

6. How did Gore betray us?

I like the current Gore more than the 2000 Gore actually.


"He betrayed this country!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Hehe.

[Mairead]

11. He walked away from the Coup (and us, its victims)

[Doomsayer13]

20. sure, blame gore

that's damn easy

he only had half the support of the Democratic party and he fought the thing until the highest court in the land struck him down. I always ask Gore haters what they would've wanted him to do otherwise and usually the reply is "keep fighting." That's crazy. The supreme court gave the election to Bush and if Gore had persued the case he would've severly injured his already tatter personal image and the Democratic party who were already being seen as sore losers who were intent in winning at all costs at the risk of undermining the highest court in the land. The American public was already sick of the Florida debacle and wanted unity and stability - if gore was defy the supreme court it would've perhaps marginalized the Democrats for the next damned decade.

Where was Ralph Nader during this entire debacle? At least Moore was out there fighting for a recount. Oh, I forgot Ralph wanted Bush to win. When it came down to it he wasn't willing to fight for democracy if it was contrary to his self-serving aims.

Sure, lets not blame Bush, RoveCo, Scalia, Thomas, O'Connor, Kennedy, and Rhenquist for engineering BushCoup2000, that would be far too difficult. Lets blame Al Gore. Jesus, as if the man hasn't already suffered enough as the worst smeared man since Michael Dukakis.

[tinanator]

8. he?

you mean Gore was responsible?

[Mairead]

10. Were you replying to me, Tin?

If so, could you expand your question a bit?

[tinanator]

15. I guess so, musta been for #8?

Yeah, I dont blame Gore for what happened, I blame his bosses.

[Mairead]

18. "I don't blame Gore, I blame his bosses"

Now THAT's an interesting viewpoint and one I hadn't at all considered. Could you expand on that some?

[tinanator]

19. A pattern has emerged

with my hindsight nearly 20/20, and in light of how Gore was discontinued by his higher ups (remember he said he has the fight in him, etc. Like any other human would in his unique position, he had to have been craving absolution, if not revenge, not to mention the ultimate achievement in politics, the Presidency, which was his goal for how many years?) while those allowed (and/or chosen) to run in his place were hardly better qualified, let alone more talented. The traditional heirarchical standards which were followed in 2000 (what opposition did Gore have then?) simply discarded this time, you really gotta say WTF? My feeling is that Gore was forced or simply evolved into a public position of more progressive/populist politics, and that didnt sit well with the puppetmasters (call them the corporate media owners and their major business interests like pharmaceuticals, petrochemicals and other industrial overlords), who certainly had more say in the way Selection 2000 was played out, with no small assistance from their front people like Lieberman, Brazile, their brethren, and very good friends, in the Bush familia and a plethora of folks that have more in common with Bob Novak than we would like to give them credit for. I believe Gore's pent up environmental concerns (which the Clinton years turned THEIR back on ) were a threat to the real masters of American democracy.
Hard not to notice the anti-progressive propaganda campaign of post 2000, laying non stop blame to Nader and his supporters when reality suggests they werent relevant in comparison to crossover Dems going for Bush in far more significant numbers. Democratic Senators failing to support CBC demands for the decent protection of voters rights. There was, if you will excuse me, a black hole when it came to the violated rights of black voters in Florida, not a word was to be spoken about it by those in control of the situation. Of course the 14th amendment rights of Bush coupmasters were utmost in the SCOTUS coup rulings. We deserved a rebellion, but there was only submission. Broken faith and ultimate betrayal by the one big party. "Get over it", someone said. No self interest there.

[w4rma]

16. I hope Rep. Kucinich sets you guys straight. I think he'll try.

Anti-establishment-at-all-costs is a poor tactic.

[tinanator]

7. Al Gore and family perhaps?

Imagine their feelings about the democratic process this time around?

[fujiyama]

9. LOL

I can't think of single person that wants Bush kicked out of office than Al Gore. That's why he endorsed Dean -- he was so outraged by this administration and Dean embodied it well.

Plus, I'm also sure he despises Nader for distorting his record and claiming Gore would also go to Iraq.

[tinanator]

14. I think he would have preferred to do it himself.

The fact that he endorsed Dean means there is something between Gore and his heir apparent, dont you think? Looks like that to me. He wanted to run.

[zoeyfong]

12. I voted for Gore in 2000; will be voting Nader in 2004.

I voted for Gore in 2000, and thought Nader voters were making a poor choice which would be counter-productive to their goals. That was then, this is now. In 2000 i still had hope that Dems were a viable alternative to repugs. Not any more. After watching their utterly disgraceful total capitulation to BushCo. over the last three years (at a time when their leadership and strength was more needed than at any time since the vietnam war) I simply can not cast a vote for them in Nov. There have been some dems who behaved honorably and stood up to bush, but kerry is not one of them. I literally can not bring myself to vote for kerry; his political opportunism on matters of war and peace disgusts me so much that there's no way i can support him. All this ABB stuff and talk about how horrible bush is loses its effectiveness when the democratic alternative has been complicit in the worst offenses of the bush administration.

[alcuno]

13. I believe in forgiveness.

I can't do it; I just can't vote for Nader knowing that it's like chalking one up for a president I absolutely despise. It's my firn belief that the time to hammer away at the Democrats is when they are in power, not when they are out.

We have 8 months and I hope that you will consider changing your mind. Support for a position in spite of clear, contradictory evidence is similar to the thinking of our current administration.

[drumwolf]

17. I'm a Nader 2000 voter who'll be voting for Kerry this time.

I voted for Nader in 2000, knowing that my state's electoral votes would go to Gore anyway. This time, I won't even consider voting for anyone other than Kerry.

California will probably be solidly Democratic again this time around, but I loathe * so much that even if I was in an overwhelmingly Republican state where I had the luxury of voting for Nader, I would still vote for Kerry for no other reason than to make a statement that I want Bush out at all costs.