Nader hurts Kerry in Pennsylvania

[ringmastery]

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/lateststories/index.ssf?/base/politics-3/1079524144116130.xml

President Bush and Democrat John Kerry are tied in a two-way presidential race in Pennsylvania, according to a poll out Wednesday. When Ralph Nader is included in the matchup, Bush has a slight lead.

Kerry had the backing of 45 percent of Pennsylvania voters and Bush 44 percent in the state narrowly won by Democrat Al Gore in 2000. Pennsylvania has 21 electoral votes.

With the independent candidate Nader involved, Bush has 44 percent, Kerry has 40 percent and Nader has 5 percent in the poll by the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

[KissMyAsscroft]

1. Ugh...enough with the Nader crap.

No one is going to vote for that asshat again.

These polls are being freeped to annoy us.

If you were a Repuke and were polled on this wouldn't you say Nader to piss us off? I would.

Stop being so gullible people!

[OKNancy]

2. Then Democrats need to

challenge every signature on his petition to get on the ballot.
He needs 23,000 by August 2.

Edit: did some more reading and Pennsylvania is one of the more difficult states for an independent to get on the ballot..fwiw

[HEFFA]

4. I can't agree with this. The solution to the "problem" isn't to limit the

voices in the campaign. Honestly, Kerry wins either way. If the Dems resort to the blocking tactics that you're suggesting, they'll come off looking as desperate and fascist and Bush and the Repukes.

[OKNancy]

7. If the signatures

are illegal, then it is perfectly acceptable to challenge them. Especially if Republicans try to sneak signatures on. Fair is fair.

[HEFFA]

3. I'm an unrepentant Naderite from 2000, and I don't think he's an issue for

Kerry this time. I haven't and won't apologize for supporting Nader in 2000, largely because any guy that could lose his own state in a general election doesn't deserve to win anyway. This time around, however, I'm more serious about the threat that Bush presents. I think that most other people are too. Have you noticed that voter participation in nearly all of the primaries was WAY up? I think that Bush is in for a major league bum-rush from the voters. While I honestly favor Nader's over Kerry's stands on most of the issues, I will use my vote to support whomever has the best chance of defeating the Grand Wizard and Imperial Thief in Chief George W. Bush. Without question, that person is John Kerry.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Hi Heffa, and welcome

I know just what you mean.

[WillyBrandt]

8. I'm a repentant Nader voter

Because I'm a grown-up, and understand the relation between my actions and the current murder and mess we're in now.

[HEFFA]

12. When did you "grow up"? Was it only once you realized that American

politics has strayed dramatically from its theoretical foundations? Was it once you realized that the American electorate has been denied real choice between candidates for so long that we're now using our votes not for choosing who we want, but for blocking who we don't want? Was it after you accepted this reality as just and acquiesced to the idea of accepting something less than what you really want?

The implication in your message, that voting for Nader is somehow not a "grown-up" choice, is really kind of offensive. Worse, it's not a very "grown-up" thing to say.

[WillyBrandt]

13. No, no grown up would ever vote for Nader

I don't care if it's offensive or not. It's fucking stupid and selfish, and when one is sufficiently self-aware, starts to border on the simply malignant. It's the goddamn simple truth, and only the most obvious and crackpot sophistry will hide that simple fact.

A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. It was true in 2000, and it's true now.

Place the mental gymanstics of justifying a Nader vote next to the kids dying for nothing and the budget being busted for crap.

It's not a grown-up choice. It's the choice of a Narcissus who would happily let the world burn to hell just to salve his tender soul.

[PA-DEM]

6. I call PA for Kerry now

I am not even concerned about PA. PA voted Dem the last three elections and it wont change this year. Bush all but lives in PA, Kerry has only been here a couple of times. Unless the republicans can eliminate Philly and Pittsburgh bush has no chance.

"It is competitive," said Charles Cook of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, "but it's uphill for the President. All the older industrial states are looking worse for him than last time."

Cook lists Pennsylvania's 21 electoral votes as "leaning Democratic." Some of Bush's political strategists privately agreed, citing the loss of manufacturing jobs as a continuing drag on Bush's Keystone State prospects.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/173969p-151590c.html

[OKNancy]

9. Did you mean to write

that Kerry practically lives in Pa...not Bush.

[PA-DEM]

10. That is not what it say's

NT

[OKNancy]

11. No big deal but

this is a copy and paste of what I see on your post:
Bush all but lives in PA, Kerry has only been here a couple of times.