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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:13 PM Original message |
Krugman (DLC &/or RW tool according to O-nation): Poverty is Poison |
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Redbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Healthcare, Poverty, and Education |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Exactly. |
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Mark Twain Girl (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Absolutely agreed on your issues, and this Krugman piece was great. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Can you believe the knee-jerk ignorance of some of the responses here? |
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Mark Twain Girl (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Yes, I'm not getting it either -- it's a powerful piece with good lessons |
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Obamaniac (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. Krugman should be beaten like a mule |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. He'd pay to get that. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Krugman should be beaten like a bad piece of meat! (channeling Clintonian Hack Begala) |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Please go to the link, read the actual article, and then tell me if your response |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Why don't you try reading the article? You might learn something. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Oh. how lovely you take this "personal" but not surprising. Nothing about HRC or her surrogates ... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. So you don't accept the research that shows the effects of poverty-related |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Oh stop! You know better than to perform that rabbit-punch. I think Krugman is BIASED. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. What has he said in the article that is objectionable? Anything? n/t |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. and nothing you post surprises me, ShortnHairy... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. Barack Obama has a poverty agenda, Hillary doesn't |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. That is such a crock. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Well, apparently Krugman didn't bother checking Obama's actual written policy proposals. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Wow a whole webpage! That's making poverty a central portion of your campaign! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. He gave a speech once |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Clinton started working on poverty issues at the age of 25, when |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. On paper, from his ivory tower |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. He's talking about actual physical, permanent changes that occur in the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Stress comes from lots of things |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. He's not labeling anyone as stupid. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Again, stress comes from lots of things |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Children who suffer from poor health, lead poisoning, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Children who suffer from sick parents, domestic violence, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Are you trying to tell me that poor children don't suffer more than |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
53. When did Krugman endorse Edwards? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
7. WTF does Krugman know about poverty compared with Obama? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Ummm bit of an overreaction there BG. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. His endless elevation of Edwards to progressive sainthood status is false and tiresome |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Edwards spoke more about poverty during the campaign than anyone but maybe Kucinich. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. But speeches don't put food on the table |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. No they don't. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. We can...he had a constructive effect on the race |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I disagree. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
60. Edwards ran as a populist in 2004 |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Agreed. His run in 2004 definitely had a populist flavor. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Yes but it isn't fair to say he suddenly discovered populism in 2008 |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. No, it probably isn't fair. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
56. What has been forcing Obama to move to the right since the 90's? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Just because the media isn't talking about it doesn't mean it's fallen off Obama's radar |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. When it passes the Senate then we have something. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. What has Hillary done? You also claimed it was off the radar because Edwards dropped out! Why isn't |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. It is off the radar. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. "You think getting a bill thru committee is putting poverty front & center?" Where's Hillary's bill? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You would have a point if I was arguing that Hillary was at the forefront of this issue. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. His record on poverty, labor, and trade is consistent and very good |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. It is! They ignore the facts. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I already posted this and got an entirely different response. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I posted the "political" portion since this is GDP. |
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Mark Twain Girl (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. I agree, this transcends politics - from the article |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. More right-wingisms from some Obama supporters. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Way to miss the point |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. All I learn from DU about Obama is about his supporters. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Maybe if you actually read Krugman's article you'd find out. |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
8. It wasn't central to Blairs campaign he appealed to the right wing voters to get it done. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'm reading "Conscience of A Liberal " right now. It is really good. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
42. Poverty IS poison. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Jan 2009 sounds good to me. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. And childhood poverty is permanent poison, |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
57. Anyone who doubts it is a cult should bookmark this thread |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. No, the thread and your comment are signs of desperation. Don't be afraid to read this, no links n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Desperation motivated by what? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. "What is there to be desperate about?" "The knee-jerk, irrational, hysterical replies from Obamites" |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Umm Obama supporters on this thread are slamming Krugman for talking about poverty. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. GDP has sure gotten to be an unpleasant place lately. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Its mostly the newbies in the last few months. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Exactly right. It isn't "desperate" to state reality |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I'm not in either the Hillary or the Obama camp. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Krugman's attacks on Obama are bizarre and not |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. This is a bizarre attack? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Where is Hillary's current legislation, as I asked upthread? n/t |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. What does Hillary have to do with this? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Nothing, without a link to current legislation. n/t |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. You asked for what current legislation she is working on. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Link to poverty legislation? n/t |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Psssssttt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Desperate is |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. And dishonest is.... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Dishonest is trying to claim that this is the same thing. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Obama has denounced them but has also said he may end up using them. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. The OP wasn't any kind of attack on Obama at all. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. The article misrepresented the facts! n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. How so? Are you an expert in the brain research he was writing about? |
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