Clinton may try to POISON pledged delegates!!!

[yourguide]

ROFL!!!!


http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/report-clinton-campaign-may-tr.php


Report: Clinton Campaign May Try To Poison Obama's Pledged Delegates
By - February 19, 2008, 11:35AM

The Hillary Clinton campaign has reportedly thought up a new strategy for winning the Democratic nomination that is even more divisive than the super-delegate route: Poisoning Obama's elected delegates so that they cannot appear at the convention. "I swear it is not happening now, but as we get closer to the convention, if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after everybody’s delegates," a senior campaign official told the Politico. "All the rules will be going out the window."

There are several problems with this strategy, including the fact that DNC rules prohibit delegate poisoning. Beyond that, such a strategy would increase the perception among voters that the nomination does not represent the will of the voters and that Clinton is a mean, calculating b-word. It's worth noting that the Politico story quotes a Clinton official predicting that both campaigns will poison the pledged dels, which could result in a delegate-less convention. While the state of Colorado may sigh in relief, such an eventuality could pose further problems for the Democrats. In the event that no delegates show up for the convention, DNC rules require the nomination be determined by Rochambeau, a.k.a. Rock-Scissors-Paper. Clinton is widely reknowned as an expert Rochambeau player, and the Obama camp is already complaining of unfairness. A high-ranking Clinton strategist smirks, "These were the rules that all the candidates agree to. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game."

Late update:

Hillary spokesperson Phil Singer is adamantly denying a report this morning in The Politico quoting an anonymous campaign official suggesting that the Clinton campaign will poison Obama's pledged delegates. According to Singer:

We have not, are not and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama. It's now time for the Obama campaign to be clear about their intentions.

The Obama camp has not yet put out a statement on whether they'll poison or otherwise incapacitate Hillary's pledged dels, though they very likely will soon

[apnu]

1. Are they talking about literal poisoning?

I hope not.

[ericgtr]

7. She is a venomous snake

I mean come on now, did we really expect anything less from her? People should take note, this is also how she will handle the country.

[Nedsdag]

44. I prefer the moniker "She-Devil."

Before you accuse me of sexism, I am a woman.

[TexasObserver]

2. No way. But she is considering renditions.

[yardwork]

3. This is disgusting.

[MorningGlow]

4. Gosh

Nobody from the Clinton camp has phoned me about cooking for the Obama crew yet, but I'd better wait by the phone just in case...

[QC]

5. OMG!!! Ex-Lax Brownies!!!!! n/t

[Mz Pip]

6. Geez.

"These were the rules that all the candidates agree to. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game."

Except when it benefits them.

They should really take a time out and listen to themselves. :eyes:

[yourguide]

8. This is satire people

and it's funny...everyone take it easy.

[nebula]

9. The level of political discourse in this country

is sliding ever deeper into a sewer of slime and filth. All thanks to that most vile of politicians, Hillary Clinton. She makes McCain look like a saint.

[yourguide]

10. People...this is a JOKE

hello?

any of you guys read the Onion? Along those lines.

It's funny, and outrageously silly - as much as I dont like HRC I dont think her or her campaign would ever actually poison a delegate.

Lighten up people.

[nebula]

16. True or not

Hillary is still a dispicable human being.

As much as I despise McCain's politics, I have respect for him as a person.
I can't say the same for Hillary. She seems to go out of her way to MAKE people hate her.

[leftynyc]

19. So if she's the nominee

we wont have to put up with you any longer? Yayyyy

[nebula]

24. She has no chance in hell at this point,

hence her extreme desperation tactics.


but you can keep dreaming.

[leftynyc]

26. I'm not a dreamer

I'll vote for whoever has the D behind their name in November. And since this web site is only for those supporting the dems, I'll be looking forward to the housecleaning when both sides's moronic supporters get booted.

[nebula]

31. Do you make the rules on DU?

Where does it say we have to support anyone with a D next to their name?
Perhaps you should learn to read before calling anyone a moron.

Does this mean I have to support Lieberman as well, and sign a party loyalty oath?

[leftynyc]

33. Holy Joe is not a dem anymore

and it's right in the rules cupcake. You may want to read up on them.

Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

[nebula]

35. Where does it say

no criticism of any Democratic candidates is ever allowed??

[leftynyc]

40. Where did I say that it did? (n/t)

[nebula]

36. Yes he is

Lieberman likes to call himself an 'independent Democrat,' but he is officially still a member of the Democratic party.

[leftynyc]

38. He didn't run on the dem ticket

so I don't give a shit what he calls himself. There was a dem on the ticket and it wasn't Joe.

[Bake]

52. Are you a total MORON????

Lieberman is an INDEPENDENT. Not a Democrat.

And yes, the rules here DO, in fact, say that no one will be permitted to use DU to advocate against the Democratic nominee for any office.

If you don't like those rules, please feel free to show yourself to the door.

Bake

[nebula]

32. are you in the third grade?

see if you can read the rule where it says name-calling isn't tolerated on DU.

[Bake]

51. Dear God! You can't even SPELL "despicable."

Please just leave. You people don't even recognize SATIRE when you see it.

THIS IS THE PRIMARY SEASON, GET IT???? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ALL BE DEMOCRATS. Except, of course, for the "independent and GOP" O-bots.

You make me want to fucking :puke:.

Bake

[stillcool]

37. It is no joke...

why would you post something without reading it first?

[marshall]

49. It's that smidgen of truth that makes it so damn funny!

Regardless, I'm sure there are some delegates who will be taking their phones off the hook or going on vacations.

[liberalnurse]

11. That's been totally blown out of content

as all she is doing is baking some cookies for them. For Chrissake; it's a friendship typical gesture.

Get over your hate.

[yourguide]

14. oh stop

your candidate has decided it's OK to go after someone elses pledged delegates, thus stealing votes, the last time we saw stolen votes was what? in 2000? well we all know how that worked out...

[leftynyc]

21. The Clinton campaign has

denied this right wing Politico story. Do you have ANY proof it's true or you just believe any stupid thing you hear as long as it's against Hillary?

[yourguide]

23. Do you have any proof it's NOT true?

I mean really, it's just words, and per your hero HRC "words mean nothing".

Apparently you believe any old stupid thing Hillary says.

I like you am a NYer, I live in brooklyn, she hasnt done shit for us as a senator, Schumer runs circles around her. She had 8 years to get us Universal Health Care as she promised, she didnt.

It's all been empty promises, half truths, and mud slinging and bullying with her.

I dont believe any old stupid thing...I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears. Time to get some new, fresh, and positive blood in the White House-good bye old school politics.

[leftynyc]

27. Proof of a negative??

That's a childish way to argue. And I have no heroes in politics. I'm voting for whoever has the D after their name in November - pukes are just too dangerous. You want to feud, look somewhere else.

[yourguide]

29. I'm not looking to feud

perhaps if you'd ratchet your tone, insults, and rhetoric down a notch there would be no reason to "feud".

I mean really, lets be honest here - stuff gets leaked all the time, something like that coming from INSIDE the clinton camp was meant as a test balloon. It sank like a rock.

You think politico is just going to make this up? And let's say they did, do you think they would actually say it came from INSIDE the clinton camp...no way, might say sources close to, anon source, etc. they wouldnt be that specific in their sourcing.

[leftynyc]

34. You trust the press?

You trust them to make things up? How quaint. I have no use for the established press and certainly not from a website like Politico. You wish to believe them, knock yourself out.

[liberalnurse]

39. TPM is making shit up every day just

to get hit's on his blog. Lots of kool-aide drinker love this yellow journalism fantasy. A sure guarantee to boost hits on a little, lonely blogger site. He never has evidence, never.

Enjoy the kool-aide punch.

:beer:

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

45. This was posted by a TPM reader, not staff

I don't always agree with the analysis by Josh Marshall or members of TPM staff, but I can't recall them ever making up stuff. Make mistakes, yes. Correct them, yes. But not make up things the way Politico does.

As a Clinton supporter, I thought the post was funny.

[yodermon]

57. It is Hilarious that you post this on the day that TPM won POLK AWARD.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003712141

:rofl:

[backscatter712]

12. Speaking as a pledged county delegate who may be seated at the convention,

there's absolutely no way I'm changing my vote.

I went into the caucus as an Obama supporter, and volunteered as a delegate pledged to Obama. Even if I changed my mind and decided I liked Clinton better, I still have a promise to keep to my precinct.

Frankly, I'd have to see Obama eat a baby live on CNN before I even considered it.

[yourguide]

48. LOLOL

What if Obama was eating a live baby on Fox? Would you change your vote then?

That was sooooooooo funny!

Thanks for the laugh.

[Apollo11]

54. OK - we will look into the CNN thing.

But if that doesn't work out we can always drop some happy pills in your coffee. ;-)

[Thrill]

13. THis is why people turnoff Politics

and why Repukes have won two elections

[yourguide]

17. Are you joking???

PEOPLE WAKE THE F UP, IT WAS WRITTEN AS A FRIGGIN JOKE! IT'S CALLED SATIRE, AND IF YOU'D GET A SENSE OF HUMOR YOU'D KNOW WHAT SATIRE WAS!!!

um HELLO????

Have any of you read the Onion? That has tons of satire, political satire.

[Dogmudgeon]

20. You're dealing with people who won't listen

The Clinton-haters are stark raving batshit crazy on this issue. They hear what they want to hear, and attack anything else -- then blame Hillary. If you say one word in favor of either or both of the Clintons, you're a "paid shill". They hear second-hand gossip and give it the weight of truth. And they believe every lie about the Clintons that the Right has fed them since the 1980s.

And the press is milking this for every drop of the fermented ichor of deceit and hatred they can squeeze out of it.

Obama is exploiting this -- well, it's politics, and I don't blame him for trying his best to win. But if and when Hillary is out of the race, Obama will become the new receptacle for the hatred of the Right and these "hipsters".

And I wish I could issue the popular mantra "Hillary Did It, Too". But demonstrably, she hasn't. I don't know of more than a handful of people whose loathing for Obama is as out of control. Most of them were tombstoned last week.

So satire doesn't matter. They're in a world of their own.

--p!

[jillan]

15. I heard she was going to use VooDoo!

[yourguide]

18. thank you pirhana

you get the spirit of how silly this article is, it is just meant to be funny - nothing more.

[leftynyc]

22. I can't believe how many

moronically stupid people on this thread think this is true.

[yourguide]

25. And...

I cant beleive how many moronically stupid people are angry about it...ahem.

[leftynyc]

28. You think this is angry?

You must be very young.

[yourguide]

30. And you must be VERY old...

get your walker out. I have NO idea how you are going to get down the stairs today without some help.

[leftynyc]

41. Yes, I am old

and disabled. Thanks for asking.

[yourguide]

42. Sorry you're disabled

but it's no excuse for being mean to people.

[rodeodance]

43. UPDATE---Hillary called out OBAMA and the follower responded*****

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/clinton_spokes


Clinton Spokesperson Rules Out Pursuit Of Obama's Pledged Delegates
By Greg Sargent - February 19, 2008, 10:55AM

Hillary spokesperson Phil Singer is adamantly denying a report this morning in The Politico quoting an anonymous campaign official suggesting that the Clinton campaign will pursue Obama's pledged delegates. Singer sends me this:

We have not, are not and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama. It's now time for the Obama campaign to be clear about their intentions.

It's worth noting that the Politico story quotes a Clinton official predicting that both campaigns will pursue the pledged dels. The Obama camp has not yet put out a statement on whether they'll pursue Hillary's pledged dels, though they very likely will soon.

More in a bit.

Late Update: The Obama campaign has ruled out this tactic, too. Obama spokesperson Tommy Vietor sends me this:

"We would absolutely not use these sorts of tactics. Senator Obama is focused on winning contests and earning the support of pledged delegates."

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

46. Greg Sargent is TPM staff

This is the factual basis for the reader-written satire posted by the OP. I think most things Politico says should be given a satirical treatment.

Sargent gets his ass handed to him by TPM readers for stories that are critical or questioning of Obama. May be why his write-up was targeted for parody.

[rodeodance]

47. I am no fan of greg. But Clinton did issue a statement followed by Obama.

[yodermon]

60. *EXCEPT* The Politico reporter is defending his reporting in spite of this

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/02/politicos_roger.php

The Hillary campaign is adamantly denying the story. But in several emails to me, Simon defended his reporting.
...
I asked Simon if the official had said anything other than these quotes to indicate that a "strategy" had been settled upon, as his lede reported as fact. Simon declined to say, but pointed to this graf in the story, the suggestion being that Camp Hillary had been offered a chance to deny the story but didn't:

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer told me Monday he assumes the Obama campaign is going after delegates pledged to Clinton, though a senior Obama aide told me he knew of no such strategy.

The problem, of course, is that from this text we don't know what Singer was asked. So I asked Simon whether he had given Singer a chance to directly deny the story's central allegation. He replied: "Yes, absolutely. It was very direct."

So, presuming this is true, here's where we are. We know that an anonymous Clinton adviser predicted that if this results in a stalemate, both sides would fight for each other's pledged dels. Simon took that to mean that the Clinton camp had evolved a "strategy" to do this, and took some form of this notion to Singer, who didn't deny it, and instead tried to turn it back on Obama.

[Lilith Velkor]

50. kick 4 komedy!

:rofl:

[Apollo11]

53. Remember folks - the cupcakes with brown frosting are for Obama delegates only!

The cupcakes with pink frosting are reserved for Clinton delegates.

Just wanted to make sure that everyone knows the score! ;-)

[paperbag_ princess]

55. Is everyone just wound too tight?

I am wondering if everyone is just wound too tight or if there really are a bunch of "educationally challenged" people on this site. Very few caught the satire in the silly "The Band" video either.

I am hoping everyone is just blind with hatred right now....that might go away once the nomination is settled....I am not sure we can fix our stupidity as a group as quickly.

[MaineDem]

56. Has anyone read "The Race"?

In it two delegates are given food poisoning. Sometimes fiction becomes truth. (Thinking of the plane into the Capitol in one of Tom Clancy's books, pre-9/11.)

[Vinca]

58. Beware of the Ben & Jerry's ice cream.

:rofl:

[tbl92666]

59. Hillary-ous

And the Obamists fell for it. LOL. They really do think she is capable of anything evil that anyone writes.

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. A little arsnic mixed with some Southern Comfort! YUUUUUUMMMMMMY! They'll LOVE it!

They'll never know, so don't TELL ANYONE the recipe!:eyes: