The election is over

[still_one]

I started watching hardball, and all they are doing is distorting Kerry's record with misinformation. Not only is NBC doing this but the other media WHORES are up to the same tricks.

There is no way any candidate can fight this. When you have 80-90% of the coverage as anti-Kerry, its over...

[mot78]

1. Don't be so pre-mature

Giving in to them is only letting the whores win. Unlike 2000, we have the internet at our disposal, and we'll debunk accusations the second they're raised.
BRING IT ON CORPORATE MEDIA!!!

[still_one]

3. I hope you are right

but it is just so damned depressing to see the corporate media not give both sides of the issue

[Crunchy Frog]

30. Was it over when the Germans

bombed Pearl Harbor? Well it ain't over now. ~ John Blutarski from Animal House.

[BootinUp]

34. LOL, a classic

you were to young to see that in the theatre when it came out. ;)

36. don't stop him, he's on a roll

:)

[Crunchy Frog]

37. No I wasn't!

I went and saw it at the drive through theater with my mom and brother when I was about 16. At least that was close to when it first came out.

Always been one of my favorite movies.

[BootinUp]

38. heh

just messin with ya crunchy. :) One of my favorites too.

[JVS]

55. his first name was Bluto

[Crunchy Frog]

58. I don't think so

Bluto was his nickname, I believe that this fictional character's real name was John Blutarski, but I will have to watch the video again to be sure.

[Sotarr2004]

64. Yep, it's John Blutarsky. . .

. . . in the original book, he was now President of United States Steel.

In the movie, he drove off with Mandy Peppridge, and they are now Senator and Mrs. John Blutarsky, Washington DC.

But in the recent re-issued DVD, there's a little documentary on "where are they now".

. . .which ends with a "and we all know where John Blutarski is now", the shot pulls back and shows the White House.

Hmm. Drunken fratboy, now President.

Couldn't happen here. . . oops, it did.

[BootinUp]

65. LOL n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

68. Just happen to have this laying around:

Over?

[still_one]

15. You are right

I over-reacted based on what happened to Gore in 2000. Thanks for the perspective

[rwheeler31]

2. So sad you are defeated

we are still fighting.

[JI7]

4. this was expected, remember clinton ?

the whores were working really hard to try to bring down clinton but it didn't work. so far it seems kerry is using clinton to help him and listening to his advice. i'm sure clinton and others will do all they can to help kerry deal with this as they have been through it.

[Gildor Inglorion]

24. I got an email from Bill Clinton

today asking me to donate to John Kerry for President. So, naturally, I did. If Al Gore hadn't run AGAINST Clinton, he'd be president today.

[Badger1]

5. Fuck em

Fuck em Fuck em. It's not over till I say that it's over! And the fat lady ain't begun to sing. Bush will get what he deserves! And I don't think we need athread on that. It could get REAL ugly.

[BeatleBoot]

We're Doomed!

Hold me I'm scared!

Lol!!

Chill cat. We've got 7 1/2 months to go.

[moondust]

33. Doomed!!

Doomed, I say!!!

LOL.

[fujiyama]

40. HAHa,,,

you've got the slogans under the pics that ex Canadian PM used.

Gotta love those Canadians!

[alcuno]

6. Watch the networks.

Cable is not a staple of the vast majority of Americans.

[still_one]

10. Where do you think most people get their news from?

[swag]

7. I appreciate posts in either the Activism room or the

Media room telling me who said what when and on what program with a link for blasting them with my own free-form message.

Media are complicit in this awful state of things. Time to blast them and their dreary advertisers and demand real journalism, real coverage.

[NoPasaran]

8. Why in hell do you watch Hardball?

Watch American Idol like normal people do.

[Bread and Circus]

11. Yeah, man - Fantasia Rocks!

But we voted for the underdog, John Lewis!

[ramapo]

9. Fortunately

relatively few people watch Hardball or the other "influential" cable shows

[aquart]

12. NO WAY we can fight? So what?

We don't have to fight. The election isn't about Kerry. It's about dumping Bush.

BTW, Kerry's calm refusal to apologize for speaking the truth is playing just fine.

[DoctorWeird]

13. I know what you mean

I sometimes feel like it's hopeless. I go on sites like Yahoo! and read through the message boards and all the ugly things those people say. I don't understand how some people can be a part of a group that hates them. I'm Hispanic, I see what that party thinks of Hispanics, but every one of my relatives in Texas is going to vote for Bush. Why? Because he's from Texas. But we can't give up. Kerry hasn't even begun to fight. Besides, if no one keeps Bush in check, just think of all the stuff he'll do. It is honestly scarey.

[onehandle]

20. He's not from Texas...

And are these rich Hispanics that are voting for Bush or just an Amazing Coincidence that every one of your relatives is voing for Bush?

[DoctorWeird]

26. No,

Basically, my family lives in Illinois and in Texas. The Texas part is actually very poor. But there's this very strong "Don't Mess With Texas" thing. So, they vote for him because he plays that "Im a texan, look at my hat" card.

[peacebuzzard]

25. welcome to DU! and don't watch TV for news you guys!!

Every bit of it is censored by the dick tator's trashy friends...

[DoctorWeird]

28. Thanks,

Thanks :) Watching something so skewed is rather masochistic, I guess.

[Darkamber]

14. Just remember...there's more time ahead...

This is still way early in the game. I've heard so many Bush ads that I'm just sick of them already. Most Dem and Republicans will be fixed in their views.

I'ld rather hear about what a regular independent voter who doesn't have cable and doesn't followed Hardball, Inside Politics...ect. and know what they think.

Basically, I think if the economcy continues to crash then Kerry wins. If Terror and National security becomes the big play then it will be harder.

But these polls will change day to day. Have hope and get out there and make sure everyone you know knows that this information about Kerry is just wrong.

[stopbush]

16. Don't give up hope...there's always The Daily Show

"A poll released earlier this year by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found that 21 percent of people aged 18 to 29 cited "The Daily Show" and "Saturday Night Live" as a place where they regularly learned presidential campaign news.

By contrast, 23 percent of the young people mentioned ABC, CBS or NBC's nightly news broadcasts as a source.

Even more startling is the change from just four years ago. When the same question was asked in 2000, Pew found only 9 percent of young people pointing to the comedy shows and 39 percent to the network news shows."

From here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/02/apontv.stewarts.stature.ap

The actual audiences for Hardball and the other shlock on cable are minuscule when compared to the network broadcasts. Don't let their screaming self-importance fool you.

[flaminbats]

17. they did this to Clinton at the end of the primaries in 92..

but it all changed during the national convention..

[dweller]

18. Blow Up Your TV

© John Prine

She was a level-headed dancer on the road to alcohol
And I was just a soldier on my way to Montreal
Well she pressed her chest against me
About the time the juke box broke
Yeah, she gave me a peck on the back of the neck
And these are the words she spoke

Chorus:
Blow up your TV throw away your paper
Go to the country, build you a home
Plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches
Try an find Jesus on your own

Well, I sat there at the table and I acted real naive
For I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve
Well, she danced around the bar room and she did the hoochy-coo
Yeah she sang her song all night long, tellin' me what to do

Blow up your TV throw away your paper
Go to the country, build you a home
Plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches
Try an find Jesus on your own

Well, I was young and hungry and about to leave that place
When just as I was leavin', well she looked me in the face
I said "You must know the answer."
"She said, "No but I'll give it a try."
And to this very day we've been livin' our way
And here is the reason why

We blew up our TV threw away our paper
Went to the country, built us a home
Had a lot of children, fed 'em on peaches
They all found Jesus on their own

after all, the original title of the song.......Spanish Pipedream.

go figure,
dp

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[Democat]

43. All of your posts are anti-Democratic Party!

Why are you posting on Democratic Underground if all you do is bash Democrats?

Why not find a Nader site or a Bush site?

[onehandle]

21. Everyone know what's amazing to me?

How pointless negative threads like this always attract bunches of people with low post counts saying, "me too".

Ya know?

[dweller]

23. Nadar, Nadir, Nader, Tater....

<cough>


dp

[DoctorWeird]

29. Gosh, it's really not fair

to condemn people with lost post counts when you once had a low post count as well. I said that "me too" because it is a relief to find somewhere where you don't get attacked for expressing a non-conservative view. If someone wanted to talk about something more in depth, then I would. But at the moment, Im just glad because I thought I found somewhere that was different

[madrchsod]

22. remember this

if howard stern keeps up his rant thru the summer he will reach more people in one week than most of the cable shit shows will in the next 7 months...and don`t worry as soon as they find out that kerry won`t back down and that people are believing him they`ll change their tune..the press are whores- they`ll give out for free if they can cash in later...

[Crunchy Frog]

27. Why would you expect

anything different from Tweety?

Look, we've known all along that the mainstream corporate media is controlled by right wingers and that it was always going to be biased against the Democratic nominee, and if favor of *.

If we thought that was going to determine the outcome of election, none of us should have even bothered to support a candidate or show up to vote in primaries. We should all just plan on saving ourselves the inconvenience of going out and voting on election day.

We have always known that this was going to be an uphill battle, and that the media would not be on our side. I think it's ridiculous to concede defeat because of something we've already known about all along.

I'm sure as hell not going to concede defeat.

[NWHarkness]

31. If we lose every single Hardball viewer

We can just bring one more busload of elderly voters to the polls in Detroit or Chicago, and make up the difference.

[ngGale]

49. About 'Hardball' and I'm not that old--yet..but

I always watched his show. He's been going right for a long time. Last night he showed a clip of his brother in Pa. at a Bush rally. Bush making hay with Chris's brother? Matthews had already stated with Nader he voted for Bush in the last election. I know bull crap when I see it. It's FOX that keeps you brainwashed.

[moondust]

32. They did the same or worse to Al Gore and he won.

I watched the media war against Gore fairly closely. It was relentless. If it mattered so much he would have lost in a landslide.

Judging by the turnout in this year's decisive Dem primaries, an awful lot of voters haven't paid much attention to the past 3 years of nonstop Repig media propaganda either.

[bigtree]

35. hardball got its start just to kick Clinton around

Two-term Clinton.

[Sugarbleus]

39. The media was anti Democrats from the beginning but

our candidates went forward. The "Polls" said this and that, but a come from behind guy took the lead. No one can know what is in the mind of everyday citizens. I know Bush will fight like a demon to stay in, but theres always the element of surprise...like the one where Kerry took the primaries, almost in one fell swoop. I'm keeping my hopes up but also doing my part to get the vote out...get others to register, donate money, plaster your car with bumper stickers etc. Don't give up yet.

[DaveSZ]

41. valuesenvironment

Kerry has almost a 100% voting record from the Sierra Club and League of Conservation Voters. It's one of Kerry's biggest strengths, and I know he will help us all clean up the environment.

The League is launching a campaign to help Kerry win:

http://www.envirovictory.org/


If George Bush is reelected all of our National Parks will be fair game to be drilled, mined, and clear-cut. He's already proposing turning over the protected Sequoia trees to the toothpick companies.

I'm helping the Sierra Club with their campaign to help save Padre National Seashore from being drilled. Bush has granted zillions of permits for drilling in this national park that is home to over a dozen endangered species (including the Kemps Ridley Turtle).

So far we're holding the line, and only one well has been drilled.

The permits granted allow dozens more on the beach though.

Read more here:

http://www.texas.sierraclub.org/padre.asp

Please sign the online petition to help out!

Thanks.

[DaveSZ]

42. It's a shame

That Kerry voted for all those gun control measures though, because he could have gotten all those votes from outdoorsmen pissed off at Bush for his scorched Earth environmental policies. Of course Kerry wouldn't advocate banning hunting arms, but it still looks bad.

I live in Texas, and I can tell you that in a state like this or Tennessee for example, Kerry sealed his fate (in these types of states) by not respecting the Second Amendment.

The Democratic Party is the party that best protects the Consitution and civil liberties now that the GOP has been taken over by religious extremists who don't believe in the separation of church and state, and who want to create an orwellian police state with Ashcroft at the helm. If we drop the gun control agenda, we can then reclaim the center of the country, and take back the House, Senate, and White House as in the time of LBJ.

[molly]

45. Oh Please.......

we need some gun control. People don't go hunting with an uzzi.

[ngGale]

51. Kerry is great on the environment and it should be talked...

about more. I do admire his record and it's an honest record.

[molly]

44. Do you remember what they did to Clinton?

[dusty64]

46. The extreme right is trying

to stop third party groups who are running ads against our regime while at the same time have control over Pravda "news" channels spewing rnc lies and propaganda 24/7. WTF is going to be done about this and have the Democrats even come out against it?

[dweller]

47. check this out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1247010#1247185

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=6369&mesg_id=6369


every little bit,
dp

[Sparkly]

48. Why is this a surprise?

If we go down, let's go down fighting...

Personally, I have hope for a humiliating landslide -- that's the prize I'm keeping my eye on. FIGHT for it!

[KerryedAway]

50. I thought the media was our friend?

You always hear how the media is left-biased and I've always kind of felt a kinship with most journalists on tv especially.

Are you sure they are anti-Kerry? Or are they just feigning objectivity early in the campaign so they can sock it to Bush later on?

[ngGale]

52. No the FCC gave the media to the right wing and...

most will never take up for Kerry. If they do they will lose their job.

[KerryedAway]

53. Eeep! That's not good!

I guess we need to not buy Janet Jackson's album then :)

[ngGale]

54. No--I would buy it but you need to consider the source of...

why she and Howard Stern were taken down.}(

[KerryedAway]

56. Didn't Clear Channel remove Stern?

For fear his risky show would get them in trouble like Janet's booby did CBS?

I hold to freedom of speech, but you also have to please your boss if you want to use their facilities.

[jansu]

57. That's what they said, but he only got into trouble when he turned anti-*

[Crunchy Frog]

61. Stern has been doing that schtick

for years. I find it just a tad suspicious that Clear Channel would all of a sudden notice it for the first time right when Stern began criticising Bush.

But your right, maybe it is just coincidence.

[Crunchy Frog]

59. Wow, you must have been watching

a different media than I have. Really, if you want to get some idea of what's really going on, I suggest reading the book What Liberal Media, by Eric Alterman.

Do you remember how the media treated Clinton during his presidency? Compare that to how they treat Bush.

Also compare how they covered Gore vs how they covered Bush during the 2000 election.

I don't know how anybody can look at all the evidence and come away with the conclusion that the media is liberal or left biased.

Anyway, if you are expecting to see the media sock it to Bush in any meaningful way, I think you are in for a rude shock.

[rumguy]

60. This is a boxing match

and it's just starting...

Kerry will get in some good blows, just wait.

[Jane Austin]

62. It was the same last time

And Gore won that one, and he didn't even fight back!

Stay tuned.

[jsw_81]

63. Wrong

This election is FAR from over. And that is not wishful thinking on my part; the polls will go back and forth and both Kerry and Bush will go through periods during which they're pounded by the media and written off. That's just the way our system works.

And the coverage is NOT 80-90% anti-Kerry. You're just so blinded by your own partisanship that you fail to see that the other side is getting pounded and criticized too. You see this phenomenon among partisans on both sides: freepers and other right-wingers are outraged because the media is "clearly" biased against Bush and pro-Kerry, and lefties are simultaneously outraged because the media is "clearly" biased against Kerry and pro-Bush. In reality, however, the media is quite fair most of the time.

[kimchi]

66. You've got to be kidding me.

"In reality, however, the media is quite fair most of the time."

Yes, we have such a fair media these days. A few token "liberals" who are actually independents and a shitload of Repukes towing the party line. I'd call that fair.
:eyes:

I must say-there are those who you can tell really want to let Bush have a piece of their mind, but remain fair and balanced, as journalists are supposed to be. When you stack it all up, and considering Faux News, there is STILL a rightward tilt to the news.

[cclark401]

69. I agree...

It angers me to no end when I see some * supporter on one of these news shows without someone from our side to provide "balance."

I believe Bush will get whats coming to him.

Most people will make their decisions based on what they perceive to be best for the country. Only die hards will tow the line with people like Faux news etc.

[ronnykmarshall]

67. The Henny Penny Award

[cath]

70. Bush is toast

The day Howard Stern turned on Bush and told his millions of listeners to vote against Bush is the day Bush became toast. Not to mention that he is a liar, that everyone around him is a liar and that he is jsut plain stupid.

I saw a bumper sticker this morning:

"11/02/04--the end of an error."

You gotta love it!!!!!:kick:

[Soapboxsue]

71. One Caller's Opinion

I was listening to a popular political talk show on the radio when a caller said that this election is not about Dems and Repugs, nor about Liberals and Conservatives, (surely Bush is neither Conservative, Christian, nor Republican).. this one is about Americans coming together to realize that we must remove the fascist from his appoinment to OUR Whitehouse!
What is your opinion?

[RoadRunner]

72. hi'ha Soapboxsue, Welcome to DU!

Glad'ya found us! :hi: