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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:29 PM
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Experience Counts!!!! I have proof!!
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:32 PM
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1. Dick or Pat???
Pat had at least as much experience as HRC. Of course, she needed a drink (several of them) to cope with Tricky. Maybe HRC wouldn't be such a witch if she'd hit the sauce instead of taking her frustrations (of dealing with Billyboy) out on the rest of us.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:36 PM
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5. It was a campaign slogan for Nixon during the 1960 campaign
Nixon campaigned on his experience, but Kennedy called for new blood

Pat had it in for her for most of her life, if you ever saw the film Nixon by Oliver Stone which
took a lot of info from the many books that had been written on the subject.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:34 PM
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2. Great picture and point.
Too bad your first response had to be so negative.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:36 PM
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4. A negative first response is common to a lot of posts here.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:35 PM
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lol
Nice find
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:35 PM
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3. Uh Oh. Did Hillary plagerize Dick Nixon? That's like doubly shameful
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:46 PM
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6. Maybe I can find another one



When Nixon was running for Governor.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:00 PM
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7. "experience counts" logic
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 08:00 PM by Ichingcarpenter
"Some inexperienced leaders have been outstandingly successful, while many experienced leaders have been outstanding failures. Among the most highly regarded former presidents are Abraham Lincoln and Harry Truman, who had very little previous leadership, while highly experienced Herbert Hoover and Franklin Pierce were among the least successful." Studies of military officers, research and development teams, shop supervisors, post office administrators, and school principals tell us that experienced managers tend to be no more effective than the managers with little experience.

How could it be that experience wouldn't make leaders more effective? Intuitively, it would seem that experience would provide learning opportunities that would translate into improved on-the-job leadership skills. The problems seem to be twofold. First, quality of experience and time in the job are not necessarily the same thing. Second, there is variability between situations that influence the transferability of experience.

One flaw in the "experience counts" logic is the assumption that length of time on a job is actually a measure of experience. This says nothing about the quality of experience. The fact that one person has 20 years' experience while another has two years' doesn't necessarily mean that the former has had 10 times as many meaningful experiences. Too often, 20 years of experience is nothing other than one year of experience repeated 20 times! In even the most complex jobs, real learning typically ends after about two years. By then, almost all new and unique situations have been experienced. So one problem with trying to link experience with leadership effectiveness is not paying attention to the quality and diversity of the experience.

Moreover, the situation in which experience is obtained is rarely comparable to new situations. It's critical to take into consideration the relevance of past experience to a new situation. Jobs differ, support resources differ, organizational cultures differ, follower characteristics differ, and so on. A primary reason that leadership experience isn't strongly related to leadership performance is undoubtedly due to variability of situations.

So what can we conclude? When selecting people for leadership positions, be careful not to place too much emphasis on their experience. Experience, per se, is not a very good predictor of effectiveness. Just because a candidate has 10 years of previous leadership experience is no assurance that his or her experience will transfer to a new situation. What is relevant is the quality of previous experience and the relevance of that experience to the new situation that the leader will face.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:36 PM
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8. nm
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:30 PM
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9. Kick
and Rec. :kick:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:32 PM
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10. K & R
:thumbsup:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:33 PM
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11. LOL! Save that, it will probably be needed
When dealing with McCain
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:34 PM
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12. Game, set and match
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:34 PM
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13. You mean, as well as "I'm a uniter, not a divider" has worked out?
Because I heard that just a few years ago, and it's working out just beautifully.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:36 PM
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14. I would suspect we should be hearing from copuntless sources of Billary's plagiarisms and
look at the shape we're in with Bushco's endless experience!
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Charlie Czerbiak Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:39 PM
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15. Breaking: McCain leading Obama by 16% in Florida GE matchup
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:49 AM
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16. k&r
That's perfect.

:dem:

-Laelth
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