Obama calls for 'change' ie: no more "Clintons" ie: old guard...but gladly accepts the Kennedy Crown

[LulaMay]

I have found this disingenuous from the beginning. His message over and over is 'change', clearly aimed at Hillary being Hillary CLINTON, ie: just say no to dynasty ....as people like to say....

I also think it disrespectful, unbecoming and arrogant that he continually compares himself to JFK, MLK, FDR.

FDR believed in mandates; government to serve the people, such as Social Security, or universal health care!

JFK was a thoughtful and experienced leader, who was quite clear about what he stood for and wanted to do, where Obama is vague.


Neither does it make him sound like a strong leader when he does this. He doesn't come across as someone who stands on their own when making such comparisons, or uttering phrases like "Ted Kennedy says I'll have universal health care" (or something extremely close to this, I don't have a transcript. It's just burned into my memory).


Ted Kennedy says so? Well, it must be true! The claim that his plan will somehow be universal has never been answered, and is false, as noted by EVERY analysis I've read. He admittedly doesn't cover everyone, so how exactly is it universal?

This is an example where his words are just WORDS.

[babylonsister]

1. You are such a bore. Check this out and get back to me:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=94494

And for the record, he compares himself to no one, other people compare Obama to great people. That's a compliment he should rightfully embrace.

[LulaMay]

2. He compared his speeches to JFK and FDR in his rapidly growing "were those just words" speech

[LulaMay]

9. PS- You like to fling the personal insults when you reply. I wonder how brave you'd be if

you were standing right in front of me to talk like that.

Have you heard of manners?

[babylonsister]

14. And you like to stretch the truth; do you do that so often in 'real life'?

Sorry, it's boring, especially when you can be proved so wrong so easily. But have your fun while you can. :eyes:

[LulaMay]

20. If you're so 'bored' by my points, why are you still responding to me?

You don't make many actual arguments, but rather sling epithets and meaningless charges at people.

[babylonsister]

22. When you insult, I respond. But that will no longer be a problem. Bye. nt

[ExtraGriz]

3. he didnt compare...

but he sure associated himself to these american heroes. that part of him turns me right off, but...whoooptie doo.

[Skittles]

5. not all heroes - gotta throw Reagan in there too

:puke:

[theHandpuppet]

24. Yeah, that was my reaction to when I saw clips of his speech

Hubris, thy name is Barack.

[cooolandrew]

4. I may not of head those comparisons I only heard hiim give examples of change through these people.

[LulaMay]

8. He just compared his speeches with JFK's and FDR's, he mentions them and MLK in reference to himself

as a candidate, as reminiscent of his candidacy.

[MadBadger]

6. He isnt calling for Clinton to be expelled from the Senate

He's also not calling for Teddy to be President.

[LulaMay]

7. and your point is?

[avrdream]

10. Noticed that myself.

Words.....so damned powerful.....and so easy to come back to when the GE rolls around.

[gaspee]

11. Yeah

Funny how he has a problem with the Clintons, but not with a much more dynastic family. Is he going to campaign for someone to run against Ted Kennedy if we're in such need of "change."

Funny how that works.

[LulaMay]

12. Funny how the media doesn't mention it... I believe Ted endorsed him for personal reasons...

that had little to do with Senator Obama. I think he was quite ticked off at the notion the Kennedy dynasty name might be replaced with a Clinton one.

He was also reportedly angry that Hillary didn't mention JFK when she spoke about Johnson signing the Civil Rights act (but she was talking very specifically about the signing of the bill, it was no slight). He felt it was an insult, and endorsed Obama what seemed like the day after.

[flordehinojos]

13. LulaMay, I am so glad that you can see through all the Obama rhetoric ...

and the truthfulness of Clinton's charge about Obama's "just words".

The media and a few Obama bandwagon riders just want to shut down the Clintons, they say and print whatever false attacks and straight out lies against the Clintons but they give Obama all the leash he wants to have in attacking Clinton ... all i hear from him are words and phrases intended to hold her down below water ... it is, i believe, his inflammatory rhetoric against her that has caught fire and ignited support for him among those who just listen to the push of emotions and not to the facts in this race.

If the clintons counterpunch ... they are scum... o, but if Obama attacks, the man is brillian, inspirational, a leader, when all he is is actually a PUTZ.

Calling himself Leader, or someone like JFK, MLK, or FDR really shows him up for who he really is.
A 12 year old living in the body of a and adult sized man; someone who is a carbon copy, pun intended,of GWB and all the hogwash the bushes have served this nation for all of eight years now.

Peopel are eating the Obama hogwash as if they were being served caviar... this is just another chapter in the story of the emperor has no clothes.

And Bill Clinton is so right when he says, or implies, if you believe what obama has to sell, "i have a bridge i want to sell to you."

The nation is just playing idiotic childhood games ... when the seriousness of what faces all of us after Bush leaves office (as a result of what his arrogance has done while he is in office) is sad and of enourmous consequences for the nation. sadly obama is just another arrogant putz.

[LulaMay]

21. It's good we talk about it....and talk about it.....

[goldcanyonaz]

15. Bravo LulaMay, Bravo!

[zabet]

16. With the no votes he is fond of and the present votes....

'change' should stand for...

C.ome
H.elp
A.
N.o-voter
G.et
E.lected

[LulaMay]

23. Oh! I just busted a gut laughing hahahaha Thanks.

[Inuca]

17. It's not only how "old" you are

and for how long you have been around. This is a simplistic black&white interpretation. It is what you did in these years, and HOW you have done it.

[adabfree]

18. lula NEEDS a lullabye lol

[LulaMay]

25. Oh, is that your clever way of calling me a baby? Did you plagerize that?

[Vinca]

19. Must be why Bill was begging Ted for his support. nt

[LulaMay]

26. Hillary Clinton hasn't been running on the idea of "through the old buggers out", because it's DUMB

We value our party leaders and those who have inspired us. Sometimes, our best heroes hail from within a family. We don't dump them in the garbage or insult them as entrenched in Washington as to be useless.

Until NOW i guess. If Obama wins, does that mean Ted has to pack his duffle bag and leave with the rest of the old, outdated, crusty people with a dynastic or familial name?

Maybe we can have a parade for them! Include all the Kennedy clan!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. oy what a hypocrite