My experience w/HRC as senator

[Fredda Weinberg]

Last night I had dinner w/a new business partner, a young man who hasn't quite found his place in the world but knows he needs a great woman to get him there. It'll take some more work to sort out his gender issues, but the launch date is set so he's believing what he's seeing.

And yes, for me, it's just a return to a pre 9/11 condition, where the environment can support the basic services I generate. Back then, the lifestyle of the 90's had given my company ... which was behind most of the media brand names you know ... a determination to stick together through whatever life handed us.

Then the towers fell. In the immediate aftermath, nothing change - we all booked fewer hours but got the same jobs done. Then Rudy imposed traffic controls, choking supplies to midtown and guaranteeing Osama's victory. Countless jobs were lost and slowly, even my beloved friends surrendered to the inevitable suffering we knew each would have to face alone.

But these were family men and we've all survived. In the years that followed, we were dependent in a way NY hadn't known in decades. The federal government, under the * maladministration, could have left us like Katrina.

And bless him, Chuck Schumer was the senior senator and not the right man for the job. It fell to Hillary, over time, to work with him and others to fashion what became our lifeline.

So, I face a clear choice this season. I've seen everything I need to know about her opposition and from his family birth order to his recent behavior, he embarrasses me. Not intentionally ... my new partner is awkward too ... but only time will remedy that condition.

I want to offer the nation the competent leadership HRC has shown me. I'm back in NY, after retreating to Florida for most of the duration ... and will share prosperity as we did before. I know my senators are with me - and if any DUers are not, please contain yourselves. This is my experience and HRC's performance has been above reproach. Whatever happens this fall, I look forward to the Big Dog's office in Harlem continuing the work the Clintons have done - it's been a pleasure to observe an urban renaissance in its nascency.

[Avalux]

1. family birth order to his recent behavior?

Please explain why family birth order embarrasses you. I would really, really like to know. :wtf:

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. His younger sister says he bullied her. I don't hold this against

Barry personally, but it bothers me in a president.

[bicentennial_baby]

3. Your're also suspect of how his wife dances, and

you think his children are attention starved. Yes, Fredda, we get it.

[Fredda Weinberg]

5. That's right. Barry's the one who put his kids on stage and I saw them

And you have problems with the way they appear to me. Sounds just right for a political campaign.

[bicentennial_baby]

10. I thought you were reserving comment...Oh wait,

that was about Michelle's dancing, sorry.

:rofl:

[sniffa]

8. It's disgusting

I'll reserve comment.

[Fredda Weinberg]

12. If you're disgusted, look in a mirror. You'll find the source n/t

[Name removed]

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[still_one]

31. Let's stop the personal attacks /nt

[Laurab]

33. Did you have any siblings?

I'm a younger sister, and I don't know of many younger sisters who WEREN'T bullied by their older brothers - that is RIDICULOUS. I also bullied my YOUNGER brothers, I imagine.

Also, could you provide a link for that - I'd like to see if it's as much as a ridiculous statement as it seems?

[Fredda Weinberg]

37. Know your candidate before throwing your support

Maya Soetoro-Ng's older brother came back from his freshman year in college and found her working on a math problem from a grammar-school grade level lower than the one she was in.

"He scolded me. He said, I should -- if anything -- work on a set for an older age, a higher age," Soetoro-Ng recalled in a 2004 interview. "He was bossy. He was domineering."

Her brother -- actually her half-brother -- is Barack Obama. But when their mother and Soetoro-Ng's father divorced, Obama took on a more fatherly role, she said.

"He was always pushing me to sort of, at that point, exceed my own lazy inclinations," Soetoro-Ng said in 2004. "My mother and father divorced when I was 9, so I think he started giving me a great deal of guidance as a big brother. And he helped me find my voice and my passion and helped to work to offer a lot of guidance."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545473,BSX-News-wotreehh09.stng

Before you instinctively defend him ... consider if there wasn't another method to accomplish the laudable goal.

[Laurab]

38. I do NOT believe that you posted that as a BAD thing.

His younger sister saying how much he helped her. No, I won't "consider another method" - he was a kid himself. Most kids don't "take on a more-fatherly role". Reading that really impresses me, as a matter of fact.

I'm one of 6 kids who didn't have a whole lot of guidance - my 2 kids did, from their father, although they didn't always like the way he went about it. He's my ex, but I am grateful for what he did because my two kids have much brighter futures because of it.

No wonder my Google search didn't bring up anything when I tried to find Obama bullying sister.

"He started giving me a great deal of guidance as a big brother. And He helped me find my voice and my passion, and helped to work to offer a lot of guidance".

You're hopeless, OR you know nothing about families.

[Fredda Weinberg]

40. First, you didn't believe the fact. Now, you're proud you don't think

I think that sums up the differences between us. As for my family, I'm proud of the relationship I enjoy w/my older brother - and whatever problems life's dealt us, we're enjoying ourselves together.

Bullying in my family? My father wouldn't allow it - defying him was a matter of life and death and each of us dealt with it in his or her own way. But around the Friday night Sabbath table, ancient rules applied ... you never used abusive language or - God forbid - your hands.

Good training and I'm sorry for anyone who didn't have that framework in which to develop verbal skills. They're very handy in real life. Even my oldest brother, who is the closet to Barry in temperament, has a PhD in physics and an MD.

[Laurab]

43. "Barry" appears to have quite an even temperament.

Unlike "your girl". I enjoy my relationships with all four of my brothers, and my sister, as well as my children, and if defying your father was a matter of life and death, then you were brought up by a "bully". Contradict yourself much?

I'm done with this conversation - you really are hopeless.

[Fredda Weinberg]

44. I was brought up by someone who survived Hitler. Bullying was the

least of my worries ... I have 'em for breakfast. I was organizing in the face of existential threats that I learned at his knee. Of course, my mother explained why he was necessary for our development.

Hopeless? We're the American dream personified in a family, if you look at the bunch. If anyone defied Nazism and demonstrated the human capacity for repair w/reciprocal support, it's us. See my tagline for details.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

46. Why am I not surprised that Fredda is an armchair psychoanalyst too?

Her list of self-proclaimed credentials grows daily.

[still_one]

4. You almost had me there until you said "his recent behavior, he embarrasses me" Sorry, that did it

You were so close in presenting a personal positive experience for your candidate, and then screwed it up by slurring his opponent

Sorry, I am still an Obama supporter

[Fredda Weinberg]

6. Slur? No sir, I'm explaining why my choice is clear. Support your

candidate, but if you can't respect mine, it's your problem. HRC has done her duty - that's what matters.

[still_one]

11. Where did I say I didn't respect your candidate? What are you reading into?

What I said was that this choice of words:

" I've seen everything I need to know about her opposition and from his family birth order to his recent behavior, he embarrasses me. "

diverts from the positive points your were expressing about Hillary

Incidently, I won't have a problem voting for whoever the Democratic NOMINEE is, and I WON'T be "embarrassed about it either, whether it is Barrack OR Hillary

Obviously, YOU WILL

[Fredda Weinberg]

20. Exactly. This is a primary and to me, there are clear choices.

They may be equal to you, but I've seen what a fine senator can do.

I've disliked Obama since he ran against "our" Nancy Skinner, who worked with 'net roots. She's forgiven him, but I find I cannot - every thing I've seen and heard grates me, down to the holy roller cadence in his speeches.

You are entitled to your perceptions. The OP is about mine and why I've made my choice. Who says it can't mention her opposition?

[still_one]

30. We are all free to mention whatever we want in our posts

However, my opinion only, I believe it does not help your candidate when you reference his family birth order. Of course we are all entitled to express our views

In my view anyone who voted for the IWR made a major mistake, especially knowing that the War Powers Act essentially was over turned by that resolution. People are dead because of that resolution.

[Skidmore]

7. You are most welcome to

keep Hillary as your senator. I don't want her as my president.

[Fredda Weinberg]

9. Be careful what you wish for ... remember, I'm expressing satisfaction

with an elected official who dealt with a Katrina magnitude disaster successfully, despite the political atmosphere. You got nothing even close with your candidate.

[Laurab]

34. She's my senator, too - and much of my family

still lives in different areas of NY - none of us are at all impressed with Hillary as a senator, but I WANT to make the sacrifice of keeping her as our senator, I really do.

[rodeodance]

13. I wish you the best. --and yes I do think Bill will continue his wor in Harlem.

[Fredda Weinberg]

15. Of course he will ... and when he lost re-election in Arkansas, the

Clintons improved. This is why I'm so confident with my support ... this experience has been good for our future.

[rodeodance]

22. **Here is letter to Sen. Clinton--A DR. who worked with her after the attack

Forum Name Hillary Clinton Supporters Group
Topic subject Senator Hillary Clinton, An American Hero
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x1205#1205
1205, Senator Hillary Clinton, An American Hero
Posted by kerrygoddess on Fri Feb-08-08 11:43 PM

Posted on my blog from a Canadian Dr who met HRC the day after 9/11 at Ground Zero:

Senator Hillary Clinton, An American Hero
by Dr. Carolyn
February 8th, 2008 @ 9:38 pm

The following is an open letter to Senator Hillary Clinton, a woman who I consider an American Hero. I composed this letter with the hope that it might help undecided voters reach a decision. As outlined in the letter, I am Canadian and, therefore, have no personal gain from supporting Senator Clinton in the primaries in America. But, readers will note that meeting Senator Clinton at Ground Zero provided me with much comfort during a terrifying time.

I hope that all who read this letter will give it thought as you decide who you will support in this election:
http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/08/senator-hillary-clinton-an-american-hero /

[Fredda Weinberg]

25. Because of you, Senator Clinton, thousands of WTC volunteers have free medical care for their rescue

Thank you

[rodeodance]

29. its a lovely letter.

[Auntie Bush]

39. I just wish the MSM would cover things like this,

but I won't hold my breath as I haven't heard one single positive Hillary comment from the media to date...and it's getting pretty late. Obama is getting the bush* treatment...and look what that got us.

[Fredda Weinberg]

41. Nah ... tactically, this is perfect. HRC isn't being mocked by the writers

and there's time for truth to out. I'm part of this ... how 'bout you?

[BlackVelvet04]

47. here are portions of the letter

Dear Senator Clinton:




I met you at Ground Zero on September 12th, 2001. In fact, my medical team of five Canadians literally bumped into you in our haste to make it to Stuyvesant High School where the casualties of the WTC terrorist attacks were accumulating. When I caught my balance amidst the crowd of people, I realized that it was you standing in front of me. I will never forget that moment. You were very composed with only a single secret service agent beside you, completely camouflaged as an ordinary citizen. When my group realized who you were, we stood still. I was speechless and already overwhelmed by the chaos around us. The only words that I could manage to form were: _We are Canadians. We came from Canada to help.

You shook each of our hands and thanked us. The momentum and courage that your simple gesture gave us was very much appreciated.



Because of you, Senator Clinton, thousands of WTC volunteers have free medical care for their rescue related illnesses. I was absolutely astonished when American volunteers that I still keep in touch with told me that I could also get help despite being a Canadian.



Sincerely,

Dr. Carolyn, BA, MD, CCFP, FRCPC(EM)

[thevoiceofreason]

14. I agree - she should remain as a Senator from New York

[Fredda Weinberg]

16. You are entitled to your opinion ... why don't you start your own thread

instead of expressing it here? Feel insecure, perhaps?

[truedelphi]

18. Me too!

Long may she stay where she is now. May she learn from her campaign experiences and continue with her job of helping out New York.

[H2O Man]

17. As a resident of NYS,

I would say that Hillary Clinton is as good of a US Senator as we have ever had.

[Blue-Jay]

19. I woke up this morning and thought "Gee...I wonder what Fredda thinks...."

Thank you for letting me know! You must be clairvoyant!

[rodeodance]

24. I see you are learning the new word you learned today. very good.

[Beregond2]

21. Experience...

I've read your post three times, and I still don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about. I gather you like Clinton and don't like Obama, but what your "business partner" and his "gender issues" or someone's birth order or your trip to FLA or "family men" have to do with anything escapes me. Are you on medication? Or perhaps unfamiliar with English?

[Fredda Weinberg]

23. We had a state disaster. Our senators came through. If I wasn't clear

I apologize. It's not like I write political essays every day, but I was explaning issues to someone else last night and it seemed appropriate here ... how many of you know how HRC behaved post 9/11?

[Laurab]

36. Thank you for that....I was so fascinated by the birth order

that I forgot to mention I had no idea what the OP was talking about with the rest.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[spag68]

27. HRC

As another New Yorker I want to agree with you. If some of these HRC haters would do the research, they would find a very high approval rating here and upstate. I just want to see everyone get behind her if she is the pick,as I hope her supporters will get behind Obama if he is the pick. IMO, most of the hate here is done by moles from the other side. We need all the dem. voters to defeat the rethugs, it won't be easy.

[Fredda Weinberg]

28. And if we don't test Obama now, we deserve what we get n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. thank you for sharing this as she is my senator too and has worked hard for us.....

my husband is a city firefighter and I don't have to tell you what it was like for me and mine in those dark days.

The funerals were endless and Hillary attended as many as she could.

She fought hard for the NYFD needs.

She will ALWAYS have my undying support and my deepest respect.

funny thing...I use to love irish pipers now all I pray is to never hear bagpipes again.

[Fredda Weinberg]

35. I spent a year in total @ FDNY over the past three. My condolences for

your losses. You're part of the biggest, healthiest family civilization has ever made possible w/o blood relations. I'm sorry I couldn't stay a part of it, but I had to move on after graduation. Best regards to all the officers I woke from deep sleep during my tenure in the network operations center ...

[shayes51]

42. Thank you.

[Fredda Weinberg]

45. I know there are more success stories. This is what HRC's staff

doesn't get. Communications direction? Let's do it.