If DEMs do NOT back Howard Dean on MI & FL, the 2012 Nomination Process will be Anarchy...

[Blackhatjack]

Without Democratic Party Rules that are agreed to AND ENFORCED there will be total anarchy in running the 2012 Nomination Process.

The Rules governing 2008 were agreed to IN ADVANCE by Democrats, and to allow individual state Democratic Parties to 'pick and choose' which Rules they will abide by and which they will intentionally violate cannot be tolerated.

It has nothing to do with which candidate would benefit from the obviously illegal primaries held.

And it has nothing to do with an effort to disenfranchise Democratic Voters in MI & FL.

Howard Dean made numerous attempts to bring the actions of MI & FL State Democratic Parties into compliance with the agreed upon Rules.

IMHO this should not even be a close question.

[JackintheGreen]

1. Wow! Did I ever call it! Good on me!

see here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4617053&mesg_id=4617981

I know, I know. You posted at 3:14 and me at 3:25, but I was still effing around on that when you wrote yours, so...

[Blackhatjack]

2. Yes you did --and it really is not even a close question. n/t

[floridablue]

3. Perhaps they will just get rid of Dr. Dean.

[Chasing Dreams]

10. Is that your preference?

[floridablue]

12. Yes, along with

Mrs. Thurman, the Florida State Chairperson. And Miz Brazile (you realize I cannot spell any of these names).

[anamandujano]

4. Keep threatening; it works wonders. You forgot to throw 1968 into

the mix.

I hope you're emailing Kennedy and Kerry about who took their state and to whom they should throw their special vote.

[Yossariant]

5. Dean cut off his nose to spite his face, giving us President McCain.

He is an idiot.

[Hawkeye-X]

6. Uh-huh

Let's see.. Dean's 50 state strategy.. who's currently using it, and who's using the DLC's patented 17 state strategy?

I think you know the answer to the question and I'll give you 3 guesses, and the first 2 are already used up.

Hawkeye-X

[VolcanoJen]

7. Spot on.

It's also very, very important to note that top Clinton aide Howard Ickes was one of the Democrats who voted in August to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates.

Howard Ickes is one of the Clintonites now arguing against the exact thing he voted for, in August.

If we throw out the rules now, it will haunt us in just about every primary hereafter. Far better to make the case that Ohio and Texas are now being rewarded for refusing to buck the rules, and for setting their primary dates a month after Super Tuesday. Ohio and Texas are now the center of the Maelstrom, a position that Florida and Michigan could have joined us in, had they set their primary with ours, and formed an effectual "Second Super Tuesday" scenario.

[NastyRiffraff]

8. Dean is doing the best he can with a bad situation not of his making

I support HIllary, but I disagree with her on this one. I can sympathize with the VOTERS in MI and FL (particularly Florida, for historic reasons). But instead of pillorying Dean, who made no secret of the rules, and what he was going to do if they were violated, those voters should come down hard on their state party.

Dean can't back down now and allow the votes to stand. Voters knew they weren't voting in a sanctioned primary; they voted anyway, and good for them; they made a powerful statement. They should be heard. Dean himself agrees they should be heard and few people (except the most rabid Obama supporters) disagree. How that will be accomplished will take a lot of compromise, and frankly nobody is going to be ecstatic. But Dean isn't to blame; he was upfront about what would happen if these two states violated the very rules they voted on. Blame the state parties, who wanted some sort of early edge, and shot themselves in the foot. The irony is that these two states could have been very important in the process. Who knows who would have won them?

[CorpGovActivist]

9. Kicked, already rec'd.

Good to see you, BHJ!

[bvar22]

11. Schadenfreude !

I believe this whole thing was engineered and instigated by the DLC (Clinton Machine) over a year ago as a way to torpedo Dean and regain control the DNC Money Machine. At that time, Hillary was "inevitable" polling better than 30%. They could afford to spend the delegates from a couple of states to overthrow Dean.
Who could have EVER predicted that the GrassRoots would rise up and demand an end to the politics of Status Quo.

How ironic that the mighty Clinton Machine is reduced to bitter tears, whining, and foot stamping attempting to regain those delegates that they spurned over a year ago.
This display by the Hillary campaign and their camp followers reeks of entitlement & privilege, and actually HURTS her campaign.

Schadenfreude !

[nashville_brook]

13. boy, that would sure suck, if the primary process became anarchic!