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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:20 PM Original message |
Clinton says she does NOT view Ohio as a MUST-WIN. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. oh dear, you mean Ohioans don't know they have to vote for Hillary? |
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NMMatt (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Do they not count pre-emptively this time. Now that would be bold. -nt |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. "She must have gotten wind of the turn-outs" |
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sloppyjoe25s (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
78. Probably figures it's Easier to go after Super-Dels than real voters... |
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NMMatt (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Wow... she better win Ohio |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Do you know if this has ever |
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NMMatt (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. No |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Thanks, that was |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
74. 1968 |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
88. 1984 - Mondale over Hart |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #88 |
105. Yeah, that didn't |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. yep --- you summed it up well!...n/t |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. This is probably just her expectations-lowering spin |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
87. I'd be absolutely floored if she doesn't win Ohio. I put this one in |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
98. I wouldn't. |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Demographics almost exactly the same as Missouri. |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Yup. |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. Move The Goalpost!!! |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Even Carville said she HAS to win OH and TX or it's over. I'm sure most people believe that, too, |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
92. It's nearly 2 months between Mar 4 (OH/TX) and April 22nd in PA. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. Are you new to politics? It's called lowering expectations. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It's called, she's in real trouble. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I hope so..nothing better |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. If she's lowering expectations now, then I expect she's lost. Just this week her campaign claimed |
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Iktomiwicasa (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. glub glub glub |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Please cite an example of Obama lowering expectations.. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. Obama's been doing quite the opposite |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. Every time I see a "But Obama does it too" post I ask for a cite |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. It was true after Super Tues. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Then why did Clinton lackey Carville call it a must win? |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. you can't lower expectations, when those same expectations are your only hope |
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NMMatt (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. No but she can get more out of a victory if she does -nt |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. the only way for her to get anything is for her to get 60%. Anything less and she is finished. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. She has to win AND beat the spread.. |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
83. oh no |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
85. But |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. From Deep Red Cincinnati-700+ Volunteers show up for Obama w short notice: |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
70. That is FANTASTIC!!!! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. Not this low |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
67. ONE day for Obama's ground game and she's allready backpeddling. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. If she lowers the expectations much lower, they will declare her campaign dead and pull the plug. |
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southern_dem (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
73. It's too late for that |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Carville was right (for once) |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. True. Very true. She loses either one, and she's done. She's probably done anyway. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:25 PM Original message |
she couldnt find it on a map |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:32 PM Original message |
Good god.... |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
71. I wonder how much and how often |
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Mother Of Four (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. You can tell she's done a good deal of work on herself... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
51. She can so find it on a map, but that's what she pays Mark Penn to do |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. My gods.... this is becoming dellusional. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. "None!" "What I need is |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
52. Wait for them to say they don't need pledged delegates --they will win on the second ballot |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. Of course. She's counting on those super delegates. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
11. Her internal poll numbers show her losing. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
13. Lowering expectations, again? I thought this was a 'must-win' state. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
15. "Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.” |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
18. Ohioans must not count either. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
54. It's true some states don't count, but parts of those states do count |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
19. Read as; |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. oh dear, the preemptive excuse machine is already turned to "on". |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
25. Heeeere we go! |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. We saw this movie about a month ago... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
28. Tin Soldiers and Hillary's coming. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Can you say "bunker mentality"? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
30. Has Obama said he views Ohio as a "must win" in order to knock Hillary out? |
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EmperorHasNoClothes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. That doesn't even make any sense |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
76. Only Obamites say that |
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EmperorHasNoClothes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. She needs an average of 57% in every one of those states to win |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
34. Jesus Christ, they're making my head spin |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
35. They must have sprayed "Obama gas" over the crowd. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. I guess so, because Clinton gas makes you not worry about things |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
38. So, should we just ask the super delegates now if they want to make her the nominee? |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hmmmmmm...... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
43. This is why insignificance is so useful |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
45. Senator Clinton says winning nomination not viewed as a must in winning the nomination |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Sadly, that's pretty close to the truth |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. No kidding, is Karl Rove their advisor or what? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
75. Hahahahahaha - post of the day! |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
46. She clearly plans to try the MI/FL/Superdelegate strategy |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. maybe she is`t fit for command |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
53. But it is. Everyone knows TX and OH are must wins. |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
55. This is big news. Maybe you should post this again?!!! |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
56. Her Campaign's internals must be very bad n/t |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. My Thoughts Exactly |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
59. Well, there you go. Ohio doesn't count. Michigan and Florida, however... |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
60. This means Hillary knows Obama will run strong in OH |
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Yurem2008 (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. What??!! |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I live in Ohio |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
62. Is this Clinton-speak for "Ohio is not a 'signifcant' state"? |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
63. Hillary better vote Obama. If anyone needs hope... |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
69. Add Ohio to Clinton's "doesn't count" list. Sorry, Buckeyes. nt |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
77. Keep moving those goalposts, Hilly! |
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shenmue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
79. Gee, she doesn't want to indulge in silly media slang terms for the election process... |
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nomorewhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
81. sounds like the bottom is falling out.... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
82. I think her words are much better than the Misleading OP and opening paragraph: |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
86. Hillary is desperate now |
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Jazzgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
89. I tell you what.... |
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Az_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
90. she thinks she can win over the super D's and steal this thing... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
93. does the truth matter at all to you? She doesn't see the state as a 'firewall' |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I used the entire quote from the article " in the OP. Maybe she should get Carville |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. media gossip on a TV show that a minority of Americans, much less voters, watch |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Keith Olbermann is a media gossip? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. He's been bashing Clinton lately and pumping up Obama |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. If you actually watched last night instead of speculated you would have heard |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. I watched. My OPINION stands. Shove it with your attempts to marginalize that opinion |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. The mighty oak has fallen. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. His celebrity bashing is crap too. He's a bore when he finishes with Bush and the republicans |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. He is not just ranting against the GOP but the Dems who are working as enablers. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. He has some good and some bad on the program. THAT's critical thinking |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I have found very little to disagree with Keith-it doesn't mean I am void of critical |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. oH YeaH, About that lie in the headline . . . NOwhere does she say Ohio's not a MUST-WIN |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. "Sen. Hillary Clinton last night said she does not view Ohio as a must-win firewall to keep..." |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. THAT'S NOT A QUOTE FROM HER. HER STATEMENT SAY NOTHING OF THE KIND. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. then take it up w the Reporter, Joe Hallet, who quoted her. He was there -were you? |
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Moh96 (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
96. of course its not she got the last 3 wins and all the Momentum NM, FL and MI |
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