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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:50 PM
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The McClurkin flap is not just a "gay" issue
Personally, I look at this whole ignominious episode as an example of one person's expediency at the expense of his purported ideals, badly executed political chicanery and a classic example of the unintended consequences when sucking up to organized and cultural religion in politics.

What it calls into question is, for me, not so much his callousness toward gays but his Machiavellian willingness to turn a blind eye toward the overt bigotry of a constituency for tactical gain. In future power plays, where will he draw the line?

When certain gay posters tell the rest of us to "get over it" or that we're engaging in "false outrage", it is a claim of privilege. Sexual orientation shouldn't grant one the right to pass judgment on cynical acts of positioning or sloppy execution of them. The paramount issue is this: if expediency will compel him to jettison a downtrodden group while not-so-subtly appealing to racial solidarity and attempting to trump the opposition with big-time religion, what else will be thrown over for popularity? It's precisely the trouble I have with Senator Clinton: talking a good game is one thing, but performance is another.

Until the nominee is truly determined, all issues of character, tactical competence and especially morality are not only fair game but important to air in public. Personally, my only interest right now is to divine who's the most electable, and I simply don't know. Over the years, the crass and often very transparent maneuverings of Senator Clinton have chipped down my opinion of her character, and her stand (or lack of stand or multiple stands) on many issues leaves me cold, too, but this one act three and a half months ago stands out as the nastiest bit of politicking in a major race in this country for years. For something as truly nasty as this to be dismissed as inconsequential calls into question the morals of everyone adopting that stance.

For those of you Obama supporters who have expressed disapproval of this ploy, I have a kindred feeling.

In light of the opposition--both for the nomination and the general election--perhaps this act doesn't make him tainted beyond compare, but that is a far cry from it being a piddly little thing. Life exists in the grey area, and those who insist on it being black and white do nobody any favor.

More than anything else, what we risk this election cycle is a hardened opposition and soft support. Sure, I'll vote for either of the Senators from Illinois if nominated, but my heart's not going to be in it all that much. The more I hear from Obama supporters that this is just a piffle or the selfish "fake outrage" of narcissistic contrarians, the less enchanted I become. Soft support is a very dangerous thing, and if enough people are shaking their head in dismay and voting for "least bad", the armies of privilege and hatred from the other side may once again prevail.

Perhaps it's just me, but since Edwards dropped out, there has been a pall of disinterest over the board. The Kucinich supporters are quiet, many of the more staunch Edwards supporters have opted out of the discussion, and many of the unaligned have fallen silent, too. Yeah, it's great to see the frenzied zeal among many of Obama's supporters, but much as that energy is useful, it also turns off a lot of people. I see him as the Pied Piper of Hoopla, but I assure you that I, like most others disgusted by this, will hold our tongues should he be the nominee. Until then, it's a legitimate point.

It's not so much about sexual orientation as it is about honest inclusiveness.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:51 PM
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1. Thank you so much for your wonderful post -- you get it
k&r
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:54 PM
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2. It is false outrage if candidates disinvited homophobes and mysogynists they would be lonely....
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 12:58 PM by cooolandrew
...If that wasnt america then gay marriage wouldnt be so hard to legislate, let's be real. You have to change America before legtislation that is the reality going about it thehard way it seems to me. You are talking veyr anti gay churches to adopt gay marriage you have to change thier hearts andminds first and Barack for this reason will not shun them.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:22 PM
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3. Purity, You say that..
Sure, I'll vote for either of the Senators from Illinois if nominated, but my heart's not going to be in it all that much.

Do you really think they CARE whether your heart is in it or not?? As long as they get your vote they care as much about whether your heart is in it as they care about me and my GLBT brethren in general!

peace
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:32 PM
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4. Yeah. It's all very depressing, isn't it?
About WHAT do they truly care? What particular line could be drawn that'll really make them stiffen up and stand fast?

Sadly, the world is analog grey, but virtually everyone sees it as black and white, including some of the smartest and most sophisticated. Hopefully they can see that soft support is a truly dangerous prospect, and that's what they face.

I've been working like a dog since the first of the year and haven't had much time to dally on the board here, but since Edwards dropped, the place is very low energy; that does not bode well.

Perhaps they don't particularly "care", but they have to notice it somewhat; for all their collective faults, they're not stupid and they're armed to the teeth with advisers.

I sort of have a party, but I have no candidate and I have very little interest of late.
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:35 PM
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5. The real issue is not Obama...
The real issue is the huge amount of homophobia in black churches. Until that changes, there is no way that any candidate will be able to court both the black church and the gay/lesbian community without being accused of alienating either group.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:57 PM
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9. Good point and good post n/t
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:18 PM
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13. Yes, it's one of those many things one's not to utter in polite society...
He certainly couldn't backtrack much on the issue before South Carolina was resolved, and this just confirms the willingness to be in league with nastiness for tactical advantage.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:46 PM
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6. This Straight Woman's Take
Is that there are underlying issues that no one wants to address, for a variety of reasons. If Dems don't address them now, the opposition will.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:47 PM
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7. gays are having what Tavis Smiley calls a Christopher Columbus moment. nt
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:48 PM
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8. Best post I've read on the subject
K&R
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:59 PM
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10. Wonderful - this Edwardian approves.
"honest inclusiveness" indeed. Why not just be upfront? Why couldn't he appealed to the Evangelicals without McClurkin? There are many of them out there that could have stood on stage with him and delivered to same point without the disdain over sexual orientation that McClurkin represented. Pandering is something he has done well: http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/267273.aspx - watch the video and toward the end.. yuck.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:43 PM
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11. Good OP from Purity and good post waiting for hope
He knew what he was doing: playing the gay card to win South Carolina. This is no surprise. We now know the Obama campaign is playing the race card to bully black Clinton supporters to switch. And the behavior of Obama campaign co-chairman Jesse Jackson, Jr. is a big part of the problem:

In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.

He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/14/225232/180
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:31 PM
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12. WWJD?
What Would John Do? I want to best qualified and the best platform in the White House. Edwards was that person for me. Color and Race shouldn't matter, if we are to be a society that doesn't see either. Shame on Jackson.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:31 PM
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14. K&R for...
...yet another flawless, cut-to-the-heart-of-the-issue post, by a top-tier DUer I have long respected and admired -- and whose eloquence I openly envy. :)
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