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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:01 AM
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Why on earth is Bush ceded the "strong on national security" mantle?
When he and his administration have been directly responsible for the most corrupt and inept foreign policy in our nation's history?

I'll tell you why--because the corrupted, feckless media keeps unquestionly repeating this patently riduculous mantra--despite all evidence to the contrary.

John Kerry needs to continue to hit hard on Bush's erroneously perceived strength on foreign policy. Perhaps then the media will be forced to recognize that the emperor is indeed without clothes; they obviously lack the guts to say it themselves.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:01 AM
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1. No idea. One of those mystical doublespeak mysteries of the universe.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:04 AM
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2. I think a lot of Murikans
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 11:05 AM by NC_Nurse
think "strong on Defense" means kicking someone's ass, period. Whether it makes sense or not. Whether it makes us safer or not.

It's all a big WWF show to them.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:07 AM
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3. We Need to run an ad "LongestPOTUS vacation in history" and then 911

An attack on mainland American soil, the first since the war of 1812. George Bush was asleep at the switch. But then what does one expect from someone with the nickname AWOL.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:12 AM
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5. Excellent point, "asleep at the switch", but will the 9/11 Commission give
him a pass? I think they have already indicated blame would be not be placed at the top--where it belongs.
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:59 AM
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12. Bush and his minions were asleep on 3-11, the attacks in Spain, too
Where was the stupid color code on 3-11? With about 200 dead in Spain and seeming connections to "al-Qaeda" one might have thought they'd have warned us.

The claim that he's "protecting us" is just another of his lies!

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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 12:47 PM
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15. even worse...bunnyfoot attacked the wrong countries
Ohhh well, it's a stupid job but somebody needs to command :wow:

A Vietnam Vet, a senior member of the Foreign Relations Committee, the ranking member of the East Asian and Pacific Affairs Sub-Committee, an individual who knows from experience the necessity for meeting the basic costs of national security, and the one who has faced the brutal dangers of war. All patriots know there is only one obvious choice!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:08 AM
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4. Your observation is well taken. This is exacerbated when media fails to
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 11:12 AM by flpoljunkie
do their job as journalists--which is to monitor the sources of power--a rare occurrence in this corrupted media era.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:17 AM
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7. thats not their job anymore
and that is the problem. Fix that one hole and everything else will come around.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 12:16 PM
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14. Yes, instead of media being "watch dogs" to power, they are "lapdogs"
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 12:17 PM by flpoljunkie
This is the crux of the problem; the feckless media continues to perpetuate the absurdity that Bush is "strong" on national security-- "strong" in Bush's case being a synonym for reckless and irresponsible.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:28 PM
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16. and attack dogs
particularly the (intentionally) less constrained cable noise networks. CNN and MSNBC are truly the most despicable of the lot.
Quit watching this shit. Get out and make your own noise. It's the only way.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:15 AM
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6. I agree
I dont believe that this phony pResident has done even an half ass OK job in any aspect of being President ! If this attack would have happen under a Clinton or a Gore Presidency, we would still be hearing the repugs going on and on about the Dem President being a failure at protecting our country. Why this President gets a pass on this and every failure, which there are plenty off, shows an obvious media bias. It appears that finally,by popular demand some of the major media outlets are jumping off this sinking ship, however its still to little to late. Thru the power of the internet we must continue to get the truthout on this most corrupt of Presidents !
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:21 AM
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8. Its mostly a result of the past success
of Republican attacks on the Democratic party as being weak on defense. Nixon v McGovern, Reagan v Carter.

And its always easier to say "see we bombed the f out them! we're tough on the bad guys" or "see we increased the defense budget" Its harder to analyze and understand the effects of foreign policy over the years, or analyze the real cost/benefits of defense spending projects.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:35 AM
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10. The irony of it all.
Nixon (no combat experience) vs. McGovern (decorated WW2 bomber pilot) and Kennedy (decorated WW2 PT boat Lt.).
Reagan (fought WW2 in Burbank, CA) vs. Carter (Annapolis grad in nuclear engineering).
Kerry vs. Bush same deal.

It bugs me to no end that it is the Republican war profiteering party that seems to have the greatest number of chickenhawks who avoided their service, but have no problems sending other Americans to fight their corrupt wars.

The Bush administration has made this country immeasurable weaker on national security and this war in Iraq has done the same to our military. The US image has taken direct hits by our unilateral actions to invade a country to secure their oil. This will have longterm negative consequences for us in the years to come.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:27 AM
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9. bush is a coward, always has been, always will be...
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 11:30 AM by rasputin1952
he is hiding behind the strengths our nation has. No place, has he shown any personal courage; not just as president, but throughout his entire life.

9-11, where did bush go? He came here to NE and hid in a bunker! Now, I'm not saying he should have made himself a target, but as events unfolded, and the attacks had clearly ceased, bush was still in the bunker. I'm no fan of Guilliani, but guess who looked like a hero?

If I were in bush's shoes, I would have been either in DC or NYC as quickly as I could have gotten there. The MO for bush, wait till the event has passed, and all is clear before even considering putting a foot down on possibly dangerous ground.

Could you imagine if FDR or Churchill had not shown courage? FDR took numerous trips overseas during the conflict, and I guarantee, a cruiser CAN be sunk; FDR took chances.

Churchill walking through the ruins of London during the Blitz! At any time, there could have been another attack, he showed courage.

Eisenhower, going to Korea while a war raged, courage.

bush: a plastic turkey in a mess tent, then a quick run back to DC after the photo-op. I read where soldiers were stopped at the tent flap and told to return to their own tents to eat MRE's, because they might blow the bush visit....nice Thanksgiving for our brave men and women who are fighting HIS war.

I am disgusted w/this quivering, spineless clown. I will be glad when he is back in Crawford, trying to figure out where the starter rope on a shovel is!


edited: typo/clarity
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 11:41 AM
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11. Shows picture of right hand
Beats me.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 12:02 PM
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13. The Pubs say it - so that makes it true - to about 99% of people
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DemPoliticalJunkie Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 01:58 AM
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17. This baffles me. i think it's a long standing Republican standing
with the public that they are better with national security. I think Kerry got game and he can turn this around or at least be seen as an equal in the next few months or before the election.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 05:17 AM
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18. Cuz killin' = security
Everything in this society says killing is the way to be secure. From the 2nd Amendment gun owners to the death penalty to the general attitude that you kill anybody who crosses you. It all equals the American right to self-protection through killing and only killing. So it's only natural the President who advocates killing is the one who is going to be seen as strong on national security. Totally insane, but that's what it seems like we're dealing with.
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CoupdEtat2000 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 05:24 AM
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19. Beats the hell out of me because he has breeded a new generation of
terrorists that will befall us at some point after he leaves office.

Asshole. Damn bastard.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:10 AM
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20. Lieberman deserves some of the blame
During the campaign, when he wanted to attack Dean, he basically said that Bush was a strong leader on defense. It doesn't help when we have members of our own party making the case for Bush. Heck, I think that even Kerry implied as much.
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