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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:31 PM
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After the John Lewis Defection, Hillary is now wasting her time continuing her campaign
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 11:32 PM by Wolsh
This move by John Lewis effectively ends her campaign. Halperin says it better the I can:

HALPERIN’S TAKE: Why John Lewis’ Defection Matters So MuchLewis is a universally respected, historic figure who is the first prominent Democrat to go from squarely in Clinton’s camp to Obama’s. The rationale he gave to the New York Times strikes at the heart of the argument that has been circulating among many wavering, undecided superdelegates, and among those now in Clinton’s camp who are feeling pressure to switch. Floodgates could open. The timing could not be worse for Clinton. And those in the party and the press who want to write off her chances will be able to make a big deal about this development. Take whatever you thought Clinton’s chances of winning the nomination before Lewis’ decision and divide that number by as much as two — those are the odds of her winning now.

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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:33 PM
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1. who is Halperin?
Hillary is still very much in this game. She wins TX, OH, and PA and she can go on until the end.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:34 PM
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2. Halperin is a knuckledragging rightwinger who works for ABC.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 11:34 PM by QC
At one time he was not much liked here, but now he is treated like the Delphic Oracle or something.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:43 PM
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9. "Delphic Oracle"
:rofl: for some reason that really cracked me up.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:09 AM
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14. Glad you liked it! n/t
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:05 AM
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31. Delphic Oracle, now that's a new one
You think your smart don't you. :think:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:35 PM
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3. Not if her super delegates abandon her. It almost mathmatically impossible for her to take the...
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 11:44 PM by Wolsh
pledged delegate lead. She had to depend on the supers. They are now leaving her.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:34 AM
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17. but she can try and convince them if she wins oh, pa, and tx (tx will be harder for both)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:15 AM
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38. that's a lie. You've based that prediction on polls and your own view of your candidate
but the votes have yet to be cast. This is yet another post from you attempting to suppress the votes in those contests by attempting to discourage readers here or embolden Obama supporters. What an amazingly petty pursuit. Why are you so afraid to let the rest of the election play out?
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:37 PM
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4. You know, I get a different impression of the John Lewis change.
I believe he is changing his SD vote, not his own personal vote, because he wants to reflcet the will of the people, his constitutents. I disagree that he should do this because he became a committed delegate or a Clinton delegate long before Obama showed significant momentum. Personally, I think he is doing this more to save his own position for his re-election. Many blacks will not understand his position and hold it against him, especially after the way the media has made anything anti-Obama racist.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:40 PM
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5. It doesn't matter why he did it, but it puts to bed the meme that Super Delegates will give Hillary
the nomination. One of her biggest and vocal supporters has left her. More are sure to follow.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:45 PM
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11. Clinton support is stitched together...
...with loads of fear an intimidation.

Once people realize that you no longer have to kow tow to the Clintons--as others
stand up to them--the fear will melt and many of those supporters will fold like
cheap card tables.



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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:07 AM
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32. Intimidation? How scary is the clinton camp? Nobody seems to be intimidated by them!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:40 PM
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6. A lot of people don't like the Clinton's
There was an article about this yesterday. A lot of people don't like the Clintons. They signed on because she was a sure thing. They've been thinking about changing their minds. Lewis is the second switcher today. There might be a third today.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:09 AM
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34. A lot of people don't like Obama
There was an article about this yesterday. A lot of people don't like Obama. They signed on because he was a new thing. They've been thinking about changing their minds. Lots of people will be sorry they switched when she takes the nomination.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:19 AM
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42. Hillary will never be president.
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 10:20 AM by Bleachers7
Your graphic is amusing. She is unelectable (obviously). So you're wasting your time.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:28 AM
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44. your sign should read
Mad President wannabe, get used to THAT!

American Evitia, NOT!
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:34 AM
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45. That graphic..
...ouch. You might want to rethink your sloganeering--oh, never mind.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:42 PM
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7. I just thought he didn't count.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:42 PM
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8. Hillary is at the will of the super delegates
The nomination is out of her hands.


This is not a good sign for her. Every single superdelegate she loses incrementally lowers her chances of winning the nomination.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:43 PM
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10. TPM agrees.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 11:44 PM by jefferson_dem
...

Lewis stopped short of formally switching his endorsement over to Obama, but said he would make a decision on that matter within a few days. Lewis also said that he and other lawmakers would meet soon to decide just how they should involve themselves in the nomination fight — and he cited the super-delegate battle as a pitfall that could weaken the party's hopes this Fall.

In short, it looks like the Hillary campaign probably can't count on the super-delegates to save them, should they lose out in the elected delegate race. So if it becomes clear that Obama ends up with an insurmountable lead — or Hillary, for that matter — there could be a strong message from super-delegates that the loser has to concede defeat and close up shop.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/civil_rights_icon_john_lewis_s.php
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:53 PM
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12. Interesting Jesse Jackson Jr. comments:
In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.

He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?

"I told him I'd think about it," Cleaver concluded. Jackson, an Obama supporter, confirmed the conversation, and said the dilemma may pose a career risk for some black politicians. "Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position" in the future, he added.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/14/225232/180
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:03 AM
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13. Or it might just be superdelegates doing what they do...supporting the winner.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:54 AM
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24. If Obama won my district by 80-90% I would be singing a different tune too.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:13 AM
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15. A lot of battle scarred Republicans would warn you not to ever count the Clintons out
Nor should we.

Overconfidence is dangerous.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:42 AM
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20. I agree 100%
Hillary is moving into desperation mode - and is calling in every political favor she and Bill have out there.

This is not over and Obama must win in TX or OH or PA to lock it up --- just one of the 3 will do it.

My guess is TX is the best bet.

Until then, Hillary will blast ahead assuming she can still win.

Obama must not let up for a second!

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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:07 AM
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33. Her support is a mile wide and an inch deep
They've pissed off a lot of people over the years. If she isn't a sure thing, there's no reason to stay on. I expect Mr. Lewis will officially announce his change as part of a larger group of his colleagues in the very near future.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:15 AM
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16. Oh, gee - whatta surprise - black politicians are switching to a black presidential candidate...nt
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:40 AM
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18. You serious, Clark?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:56 AM
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28. My name ain't Clark. But I am serious. It would be no surprise if the Black Caucuses....
...in Congress and in all state legislatures showed unanimous support for a black Presidential candidate.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:41 AM
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19. Wrong. I don't get this bullshit of deciding on a nominee--
--6 months before the actual convention.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:43 AM
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21. Most years it would have been over 3 weeks ago.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:49 AM
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22. Wrong again
Most years, we would have only heard from Iowa and New Hampshire by now.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:16 AM
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40. Indeed - anyone else tired of the 1 year campaign before the national election?
All told, I'd rather have all the primaries in August, with the GE in November. This constant election cycle sucks.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:51 AM
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23. Yawn
:boring:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:04 AM
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25. Unfortunately, Wolsh, the NYT story is being denied by Lewis
what a bummer for you.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:38 AM
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27. Yep it's not true
Lewis is still a backer of Senator Clinton per WP.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:21 AM
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43. Yep,
Lewis denied the rumor.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:36 AM
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26. That's because BO offered him more money.
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architect359 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:01 AM
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29. ...and you know this - how??? eom
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:05 AM
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30. it matters NOT...yes I am sure it has disappionted her but it was NOT a death blow, friend
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:13 AM
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37. Hi,E.D. ! Well...an "Insurgency" by definition leaves you "bleeding by a thousand little cuts"
This has occurred since Iowa.



RIDE!

TO DEN-VER !!!!!!!!!!
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:10 AM
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35. In N.J. Super delegates, whose CD's went heavy Obama are getting flooded
to "vote the district consensus" OR...face a primary.OUCH!
Obamanistas fight TUFF!!!!:rofl: :woohoo: :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:11 AM
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36. so you're speaking for the voters in the states ahead?
their votes don't matter?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:16 AM
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39. Most people don't know who he is
it won't have much of an impact at all.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:17 AM
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41. if he does switch, it will hurt Hillary
but analysis from Halperin about Democrats isn't reliable.
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