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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:05 PM
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I cant fucking believe it! John Lewis switches to Obama!
MILWAUKEE — Representative John Lewis, an elder statesman from the civil rights era and one of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s most prominent black supporters, said Thursday night that he planned to cast his vote as a superdelegate for Senator Barack Obama in hopes of preventing a fight at the Democratic convention.

“In recent days, there is a sense of movement and a sense of spirit,” said Mr. Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who endorsed Mrs. Clinton last fall. “Something is happening in America and people are prepared and ready to make that great leap.”

Mr. Lewis, who carries great influence among other members of Congress, disclosed his decision in an interview as the Service Employees International Union was on the brink of endorsing Mr. Obama.

His comments came as fresh signs emerged that Mrs. Clinton’s support was beginning to erode from some other African-American lawmakers who also serve as superdelegates. Representative David Scott of Georgia, who was among the first to defect, said he would not go against the will of voters in his district, who overwhelmingly supported Mr. Obama last week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/us/politics/15clinton.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203044586-SZIEl4SWRA53mu8f7B3hNw


This is the clapping John lewis from the CNN debate! He LOVED the CLINTONS! WTF!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:06 PM
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1. There goes Bill's invite to the Juneteenth celebration
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:28 AM
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94. John Lewis recognizes the will of the people and respects their decision.
A statesman acting like a statesman
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:04 PM
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116. I think it was more of a case that all of the African American Congressman
who had jumped early for Hillary hoping for a cabinet position now realize that they may be facing primary challenges. I heard on NPR that local Black Talk Radio was filled with outraged folks who were banding together forming committees to nominate someone to oppose their congressman who seem to be unaware of how their district had voted for president.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:07 PM
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2. so that's what the other shoe dropping sounds like
I thought I heard a thud.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:09 PM
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3. 3 superdelegates switched today- that's a 6 vote shift. 6x more than New Mexico
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 10:09 PM by Alhena
gave Hillary for winning that state's election. Now that it's biting them in the ass maybe Hillary supporters will see just how ridiculous the superdelegate system is.

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yeswecan08 Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:10 PM
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4. This is the second Emancipation for black Americans
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:11 PM
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7. Amen! Gobama!
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:27 PM
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18. You should be ashamed saying amen to that piece of hate.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:40 PM
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33. Just because someone isn't backing your candidate doesn't mean it is "hate"
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:42 PM
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35. Well, I guess you didn't grow up in the racist south, did you.
Do you even freakin have a clue?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:51 PM
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43. I'm a bona fide Georgian-bred, ironically. Moved to PA after college
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 10:59 PM by Yael
Edit -- spelling
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:26 PM
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17. What a sinful thing for you to say. Have you no respect?
I'll bet you do not even have a clue as to what slavery was about, the suffering, the deaths.

What on earth is your brain fried on?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:27 PM
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19. Kool-aid, of course.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:47 PM
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77. Nope, the CBC delegates have threatened TROUBLE, if Obama isn't the nominee!
We, dear friends, are teetering on the brink of a Civil Race War within the country. I said it, the moment Oprah said she was supporting Obama. Oprah was the catalyst and went for it with her eyes wide shut. Maya Angelou saw it, that is why she is backing Hillary...

If you think for a moment, threatening a war in this country is going to get Obama the presidency, you had better wake up! All it's going to get us in an indefinite presidency with the Doomsday Twins and Martial Law!
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:00 AM
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87. can we drop nasty posts like this from our repertoire?

please feel free to disagree without jumping straight to assumptions and baseless accusations of racism because someone sees things differently than you.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:02 PM
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51. Wow. No race card being played there. Nope. None at all.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:45 AM
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99. celebrating women's lib is ALWAYS okay...
Celebrating continuing black progress? Apparently, that just bugs some people.

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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:03 PM
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53. ?
:wtf:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:05 AM
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79. ?
:wtf: Really? You went there? Really?
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:10 PM
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5. Doesnt he already have 99.98% of the black vote?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:13 PM
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:14 PM
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10. tsk..tsk..tsk....you know what they say about making assumptions.
:popcorn:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:15 PM
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13. Yeah... And We Want That Last .02% Too, MoFo !!!
:wtf:
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:05 PM
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55. Willy LOL. That'll learn him.
:rofl:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:31 PM
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24. Lovely Billo avitar
Enjoy your stay!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:21 AM
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92. yes he does have that 11.9% of the population vote locked down....sweet
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:53 AM
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101. blacks are ~13.5% of the US population...
And that 13.5% happens to be in a pretty good position to influence the Democratic nomination this year.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:59 PM
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113. thanks I know what the total pop. is....Clinton has the other %
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:11 PM
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6. That is very significant, I would say
Big Mo for BHO!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:11 PM
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8. Obama's superdelegate strategy is paying dividends.
He is completely eroding Clinton's support on all fronts, at all levels.

This is sort of astonishing to behold.

We will here of more superdelegates switching from Clinton to Obama in the future.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:39 PM
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29. If I can channel Mel Brooks for a moment.
Hells yeah.

"Gentlemen!!! We need to protect our phony baloney jobs!!" -- Blazing Saddles
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 PM
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65. How dare they change their position
They are supposed to be ... independent. D'oh.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:39 PM
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75. That's what I've been told...
:spank:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:14 PM
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11. The Big Mo For O, Just Keeps On Comin !!!
:bounce::woohoo::bounce:
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:15 PM
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12. Lets send him a big THANK YOU! here is his CONTACT INFO!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:47 PM
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40. Done. And it felt GREAT.
Thanks!
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:17 PM
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14. "iconic figure from the Civil Rights era" !!!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:17 PM
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15. I'm glad this favors Obama. But I still don't like the superdelegate system.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:22 PM
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16. ehh.
Lewis is a weathervane, like most Georgia politicos. :shrug:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:28 PM
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21. Most SDs are weathervanes, and they're all spinnin' in the wind right now. They'll settle when the
wind dies down.
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:37 PM
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73. I think you're right....n/m
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:28 PM
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20. This is HUGH!!!!!!!!!11!!!!1
Seriously. Thanks Representative Lewis. You're a good man!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:30 PM
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22. Superdelegates are beginning to move towards Obama!
But several associates said the nationally known civil rights figure has become increasingly torn about his early endorsement of Clinton. They spoke on condition of anonymity, citing private conversations.

In an interview, Lewis likened Obama to Robert F. Kennedy in his ability to generate campaign excitement, and left open the possibility he might swing behind the Illinois senator. "It could (happen). There's no question about it. It could happen with a lot of people … we can count and we see the clock," he said.

Clinton's recent string of eight primary and caucus defeats coincides with an evident shift in momentum in the contest for support from party officials who will attend the convention. The former first lady still holds a sizable lead among the roughly 800 so-called superdelegates, who are chosen outside the primary and
caucus system.

But Christine Samuels, until this week a Clinton superdelegate from New Jersey, said during the day she is now supporting Obama.

Two other superdelegates, Sophie Masloff of Pennsylvania and Nancy Larson of Minnesota, are uncommitted, having dropped their earlier endorsements of Clinton.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:31 PM
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23. wow, just wow
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:33 PM
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25. Another politician jumps off the Clinton fear wagon
"Back me and I will make you an Ambassador. Buck me and I will bury you".

Typical 1990 political scene.

Glad folks are waking up to the fact that it doesn't have to be this way...

50.001% is SO last century.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:28 PM
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69. What will you say and how will you react if Edwards ends up supporting Hillary?
Just wondering? That could become a difficult situation and require a lot of soul searching.

Now that I think of it...a lot of Clarkies didn't hesitate to support Obama even though Clark supported Hillary.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:34 PM
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26. Ohmigod. John Lewis is a true American hero of the first order.
I respected him when he endorsed Hillary. Now he will be trashed here by her backers. How very sad.

A great American. I loved this man before, I loved him when he endorsed Hillary, and I will always love him. And I am glad he is for Barack.

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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:46 PM
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39. I, too, have admired John Lewis for many years.
But, I must admit, that I was shocked to see him clapping when Hillary made the 'slum lord' comment during the SC debate. I'm just a little baffled to see this switch after seeing that.

Trash him? That's just not me, but I will admit to being baffled. (I'm an undecided Edwards supporter, BTW).
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:57 PM
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45. I respect your decision. I was an Edwards backer, too.
I supported John with my pocketbook and my heart. I still think he did the greatest service any American could do by putting the right issues front and center. If it wasn't for John, I don't think income inequality would have been a big issue. I am 56 years old, and I don't want to go back. I don't oppose Hillary; I support Barack Obama. To say that words don't matter is to deny Lincoln, King, FDR - even Washington. And certainly Jefferson. I hope you will think about supporting Obama. Well, make your decision with your mind and your heart. As a Constitutional lawyer, I want Hillary as Senate Majority Leader. But at this unique time in history, I want Barack Obama as president.

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:07 PM
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57. You speak for me
On all counts.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:25 PM
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68. I just really meant that I wouldn't trash John Lewis.
I've seen so many get trashed for endorsements, and unfortunately, some of Obama's supporters have already been trashing Edwards for being torn, but possibly thinking about, possibly endorsing Hillary.

I hope that Edwards doesn't endorse anyone, as he will get trashed, too. I'm truly torn between the two. I'm glad that you've made your decision and are supporting Obama. I just need more time to think, watch and listen to what both are saying and doing.

Peace. :hi:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:32 PM
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70. Peace to you, my friend. I respect your decision.
I respect your decision, and it will be well thought out, I'm sure. I am moved, at 56 and old enough to remember the fire hoses on TV, to think that John Lewis switched from Hillary to Barack tonight.

Anyway, thanks for the dialogue.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:49 PM
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78. You're just a few years older than I, and I remember seeing
that on my TV, along with the police with batons and those damned scary dogs. I will think, think, and think some more, and hopefully I'll be as comfortable and as confident in my decision as you are when I finally get there.

I can hope that I will be as comfortable and confident when I get there.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:23 PM
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106. I heartily agree with you, Faygokid.
I'm no constitutional lawyer, but I'm a law school graduate who is a real estate investor. I truly appreciate your input. I believe that we need a ConLaw expert in the Whitehouse NOW, so that we restore, clarify and enhance certain fundamental rights (and the integrity of the U.S.A.). Obama will head us in the right direction.

Onward!

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:06 PM
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56. If I can be honest
Iowa was a test as to whether white people were ready to move past race.

SC was a test as to whether black people were.

Going into that debate (and yes, I had the same cringe moment at that applause cameo), they didn't know what was to come in the next month.

Give them time to reassess.

Unlike you and I -- their careers are at stake with every nod and untimely handshake.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:37 PM
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74. Hey Yael!
Honesty is good, and that's why I admitted to being a little baffled at the switch.

I've been married for over 20 yrs. and I still can't decide between the 2 candidates left standing, lol. I'm not sure what that says about me.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:48 AM
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97. It says that you care
If only more cared like we do.

:hug:
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:36 PM
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27. Clinton Campaign Still Hemorrhaging Black Votes
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:23 PM
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111. I wonder why? Could it be the
wonderful race baiting strategy that one of their brilliant polls came up with? Was the bil, himself, who weaved the strategy of the words he spoke in South Carolina?
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:37 PM
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28. Its been 30 minutes and I STILL CANT FUCKING BELIEVE IT!
I mean what happened? I am so curious to know. He was the one clapping at the CNN debate when Clinton made her Obama Slumlord comment. He was on camera cheering for Hillary! Then he was on PBS with John Lewis saying the Obama campaign had injected race into the campaign. That was only a month ago! W T F ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:40 PM
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32. That was before Super Tuesday and the Potomac
Now he is trying to save his own butt (politically).
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:48 PM
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41. John Lewis "is trying to save his own butt (politically)"????
John Lewis has more (political) courage in his little finger than you or I have ever demonstrated in our lives, my friend. The smell of desperation is unseemly. If you have to rip John Lewis, you need to take a cold hard look in the mirror. You are, of course, perfectly free to disagree with him. As I did when he endorsed Hillary. Are you now telling me that you are unable to disagree with him, yet still respect him? Of course you are. That is what your post is all about. Perhaps you ought to take a step back, and figure out how you can support your candidate without ripping John Lewis.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:08 PM
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58. We trust YOU did not disagree with him when he said Obama played the race card.
John Lewis has integrity and calls them as he sees them.

He was right then, and he's right now to go with his voters.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:55 PM
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44. The voters in his district went for Obama
Makes sense that he would be thinking of his own career here.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:35 PM
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72. John Lewis is way past the point of worrying about his "career." As if he ever did.
Maybe you ought to read up on a little American history and John Lewis' role in it.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:47 AM
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84. Why would he want to cross voters in his own district?
No matter how entrenched he is?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:35 AM
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85. Here is what John Lewis knows!
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 01:42 AM by Tellurian
Yes, apparently the CBC is mounting an agenda of it's own ...

that will dovetail perfectly into a natural defense for the GOP and the "Great White Hope McCain".. to thoroughly cast Obama as a Racist in the General Election. .Do we really want to go there? I know, I don't!

Read How dangerous Obama's ambitions will be for the rest of us:

Donna Brazile is saying: "the African American community will be outraged if Hillary wins the nomination."

"Donna Brazile"

You may not be understanding the implication of that statement and what she means. She is saying that the African American community will be outraged if Hillary wins the nomination due to Super Delegates.


This is about the Congressional Black Caucus. Back on September 29, 2007, It was a CBC sponsored round table on CSPAN in which Donna Brazile, Arthur Davis and about three others were in a panel discussion. We didn’t get to see the whole thing but saw and heard enough. Unfortunately there is neither a video (even though it was obviously on tape) or transcript from the event.

It was the same weekend event to which Hillary was an invited speaker but which caused an uproar because Obama supporters in the CBC objected.

http://www.thehill.com/leading-the-news/cbcs-event-for-clinton-prompts-grumbles-2007-09-20.html

Davis’s speech at the weekend event was pretty much the same one he had delivered at other annual events about the “glass ceiling” (see the problem coming here?)

http://www.house.gov/arturdavis/2004press/glass_ceiling...

Artur Davis RW Power Broker

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=886

The particular round table was about the future of African Americans in politics.

Not to stretch the details in the discussion beyond memory, the gist was this — everybody just couldn’t wait, including Donna and Artur, for Barack Obama to be president so that FINALLY AAs would be able to enact all the plans waiting so long for “the one” to lead.

It was a chilling undercurrent coming from Brazile and if you can't see the implication coming from Brazile on an Obama presidency, then take a step back and think a minute..

CBC’s BrainTrust’s Mission: Strangely enough, it's not about a better Life for AAs..

http://www.slepton.com/slepton/viewcontent.pl?id=891
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:28 PM
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112. Oh dear, I didn't know all that
shyte..What the Heck! Is it because he didn't think Obama had a snowball's chance and he was going with the inevitable one? Didn't he read what all Obama had to offer and feel just a little bit inspired?!
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:39 PM
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30. How is Time Magazine playing this? Well they think it's rather huge:)
From "The Page"

******EARTHQUAKE******

NY TIMES: CIVIL RIGHTS ICON/SUPERDELEGATE JOHN LEWIS ABANDONS CLINTON FOR OBAMA MOST SERIOUS SYMBOLIC THREAT TO CLINTON’S NOMINATION YET.
Read Lewis’s quotes here.
Read blockbuster Associated Press story, with other superdelegate defections and more bad news for Clinton.
ABC News: Clinton staffer visited Capitol Hill Thursday to urge black lawmakers to stick with her. The Page, 6:30 PM
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:40 PM
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31. There will be many more "switches" like this in the days to come.
Particularly if Clinton insists on pursuing a hopeless cause beyond March 4th. In that case, the Democratic Party will rise up as a whole and endorse Obama, even if she persists in a divisive campaign.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:42 PM
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34. Ladies and Gentlemen: The earth just took a new orbit. Hillary is finished.
This is perhaps the final blow to the Clinton's imploding campaign. I would feel sorry for them in this, but this is the real world and the stakes are too high for such sentiment. The defection of John Lewis will effectively end the Clinton campaign.

It's over.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:44 PM
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36. boy - and here we thought he was all SCUM for backing Clinton...
so I guess he's all okiedokie now...

shameless...
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:49 PM
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42. He's never been anything less than a hero to me regardless of who he endorsed.
I love John Lewis and honor him if he endorsed a french fry to be president. Nothing on earth could ever diminish this man in my eyes.

I'm very proud to see him come to Obama, but his earlier endorsesment for Hillary was like that of many others. She is a good woman. She would make a good president. That's no longer the issue. There is a far better choice for America. John Lewis has the grace to admit it.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:46 AM
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83. You thought he was scum? I don't remeber
any respected DUer calling him scum when he was supporting Hillary.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:44 PM
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37. Well, there goers his spine
Ashame we're now seeing once-prominent leaders sticking up a finger to see which way the wind's blowing today.

True leadership used to be a bit more courageous than that.
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southern_dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:59 PM
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48. What's the big deal?
I thought superdelegates were allowed to go whichever way they wanted. :shrug:
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:55 AM
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96. It jsut seems a little crass
to jump off of one bandwagon and immediately onto another only when they pull into a slight lead.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:01 PM
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50. Yeah, that's John Lewis. Sticking his finger in the air to see where the wind is blowing. Not.
You need to read some civil rights history, my friend.

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Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:50 AM
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118. Man gets beat nearly to death
standing up for the right course. Not a finger in the wind type politician....
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:14 PM
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That, or he is still rubbing the sleepy out of his eyes to see this life long journey come true
I believe in the SC debates, he thought, "fine, white folks in Iowa are ok with this, but this is the south". On the 26th of January, South Carolina stood up and said, "John Lewis -- because of YOUR hard work, we believe and it is time".

It probably took 2 weeks for it to truly sink in after a lifetime of working toward it.

Ever work toward a goal that seems always *just* out of reach, until it isn't?

Give the man his due.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:14 PM
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63. Back off.
Shame on you for challenging the courage of John Lewis. Educate yourself before spouting such nonsense.










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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:54 AM
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95. Piss off, kiddo
I know history far better than you could ever hope to, but his past does not give a free pass to someone who jumps ship at the first opportunity, not immunize him from criticism for it.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:45 PM
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38. I think we need to contact the SD's from DC
I read on CNN i think that Hillary got 9 SD's to Obama's 3 at the time. And he had 75% of the vote there.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:58 PM
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46. Time Magazine: Huge blow to Clinton
Halperin:

HALPERIN’S TAKE: Why John Lewis’ Defection Matters So MuchLewis is a universally respected, historic figure who is the first prominent Democrat to go from squarely in Clinton’s camp to Obama’s. The rationale he gave to the New York Times strikes at the heart of the argument that has been circulating among many wavering, undecided superdelegates, and among those now in Clinton’s camp who are feeling pressure to switch. Floodgates could open. The timing could not be worse for Clinton. And those in the party and the press who want to write off her chances will be able to make a big deal about this development. Take whatever you thought Clinton’s chances of winning the nomination before Lewis’ decision and divide that number by as much as two — those are the odds of her winning now.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:01 PM
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49. Floodgates open.
I hope so.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:58 PM
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47. The Black Super Delegates Switch First, Others Will Surely Follow
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:03 PM
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52. mercy
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:03 PM
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54. It's not a big deal if the voters in his district went for Obama. He does not
want to go against them. This is not a repudiation of Hillary as Obama supporters are trying to portray it.

Is this the same John Lewis who came to Hillary's defense over the unfair accusations of racism from the Obama whiners? I believe it is. (You guys sure piled on him then. It's a good thing he didn't read that thread.)

I still love John Lewis. So there!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 PM
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66. John Lewis' support is "not a big deal"?
You apparently don't have much of a history background.

Yikes.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:10 PM
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59. The race card has been played.
Where will it end? Will a white backlash follow?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:56 AM
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:41 AM
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98. “and yes, there is a distinct backlash of racial violence.”
Tell me...you're not running the same “race war” crazy talk that another nutbar was yesterday...


WTF?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:52 PM
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109. Tell me you're not ignorant and do occasionally read what is going on!
Yes, apparently the CBC is mounting an agenda of it's own ...

that will dovetail perfectly into a natural defense for the GOP and the "Great White Hope McCain".. to thoroughly dismiss Obama as a Racist in the General Election. .Do we really want to go there? I know, I don't!

Read How dangerous Obama's ambitions will be for the rest of us:

Donna Brazile is saying: the African American community will outraged if Hillary wins the nomination

"Donna Brazile"

You may not be understanding the implication of that statement and what she means. She is saying that African American community will outraged if Hillary wins the nomination due to Super Delegates.


This is about the Congressional Black Caucus. Back on September 29, 2007, It was a CBC sponsored round table on CSPAN in which Donna Brazile, Arthur Davis and about three others were in a panel discussion. We didn’t get to see the whole thing but saw and heard enough. Unfortunately there is neither a video (even though it was obviously on tape) or transcript from the event.

It was the same weekend event to which Hillary was an invited speaker but which caused an uproar because Obama supporters in the CBC objected.

http://www.thehill.com/leading-the-news/cbcs-event-for-clinton-prompts-grumbles-2007-09-20.html.

Davis’s speech at the weekend event was pretty much the same one he had delivered at other annual events about the “glass ceiling” (see the problem coming here?)

http://www.house.gov/arturdavis/2004press/glass_ceiling...

Artur Davis RW Power Broker

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=886

The particular round table was about the future of African Americans in politics.

Not to stretch the details in the discussion beyond memory, the gist was this — everybody just couldn’t wait, including Donna and Artur, for Barack Obama to be president so that FINALLY AAs would be able to enact all the plans waiting so long for “the one” to lead.

It was a chilling undercurrent coming from Brazile and if you can't see the implication coming from Brazile on an Obama presidency, then take a step back and think a minute..

CBC’s BrainTrust’s Mission: Strangely enough, it's not about a better Life for AAs..

http://www.slepton.com/slepton/viewcontent.pl?id=891

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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:59 AM
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104. "Backlash of racial violence"? Is that a threat, Tellurian?
You say "Obama started it", but you're the one invoking the spectre of "a backlash racial violence" if you don't get your way.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:45 PM
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:28 PM
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115. Don't we have some kind of a rule for this bullshit?
Embarrassing.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:57 PM
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117. self-delete...
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 10:58 PM by LowerManhattanite
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:56 AM
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102. Gee whiz, maybe he's following his constituents, Mr. "white backlash"...
Where will it end? Will a white backlash follow?


What exactly do you mean, Dogman?

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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:33 PM
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114. President McCrazy.
Reagan won by citing the welfare queen in the Cadillac. Never mind the fact that the welfare queen in the Cadillac was just as likely to be white, it worked for Reagan. Who do you think Reagan Democrats were? I believe Hillary is just as likely to suffer at the hands of the good old boy club. There is likely a reason the M$M gave us these candidates to begin with.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:11 PM
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60. WOW. I am in Shock. nm
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:14 PM
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61. John Lewis EARNED the right to endorse whoever he damn well pleases....If I agree
I'll vote for the person, if not I won't, but Lewis deserves no criticism for changing his mind in light of the developing campaign.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:22 PM
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67. Voice of reason here
I thought I fell into a rabbit hole for a minute there.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:34 PM
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71. The assholes that badmouth him aren't worth the sweat off his balls.....
The beatings he took in Selma for civil rights puts him way out of the league of these thugs. He still bears the scars, he's earned the right to endorse anyone he chooses.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:14 PM
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62. wonderful. eom
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:17 PM
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64. Wow, that seems pretty big to me. Not lookin' too good for Hillary these days.
she can't keep losing her support if she's gonna pull it out...
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:45 PM
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76. ah, the flames, they burn brightly...
and it's nice and warm in here.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:31 AM
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80. Thank you John Lewis.
We can only hope you are just the first of many.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:35 AM
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81. It's only a matter of time, the more obama gets out and with the peeps? the more are crossing over
even Republicans are starting to go the independent route. Viva Obama - Viva Obama!!!
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:45 AM
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82. Scott will not go against the will of the voters in his district...
As it should be for every delegate!

This is good news for Obama, but even better news for the democratic process.

Congrats to Lewis as well - you did the right thing!

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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:10 AM
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88. Thank you Mr Lewis!!
The tide has turned, everyone is rushing to Barack Obama!! You can not stop an idea who's time has come!

Hillary needs to seriously thing about packing it in before her divisive and futile campaign helps the Rethugs in the GE.

GOBAMA!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:15 AM
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89. Representative David Scott of Georgia, who was among the first to defect to Obama he too,
would not go against the will of voters in his district.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:20 AM
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91. No, he's been eager to pander to the homophobes, for instance.
I've been very disappointed in him.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:18 AM
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90. yeah 4 more wars!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:25 AM
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93. Bandwagon effect
Some people want to be identified with candidates because they see others follow along.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:48 AM
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100. No he hasn't -- ???
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:57 AM
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103. WOOOOOOOOW!!!!
I knew John Lewis would come to his senses.

:hi:


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:01 PM
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105. John Lewis DENIES this....it is a BS rumor that the media whores never even bothered to reseacrh...!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:24 PM
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107. actually he doesn't deny it, he just says nothing is certain
that's the easiest way to keep the Hillarites off his back
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:57 AM
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119. Yes he denies it, but he better switch to Obama soon, or we all know what's gonna happen -
Up on the altar!


Under the bus!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:21 PM
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110. I can't believe, either!
I was so disappointed when Congressman John Lewis endorsed "hilary"!! :wtf:??!! I couldn't wrap my head around it!
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