HILLARY WINS NEW MEXICO!!!!

[DiamondJay]

post ur thoughts YEAAAA

[lisa58]

1. link?

[Hill_YesWeWill]

2. lol, you guys are fast!

well, uh, that's 21 to 11 now right?

[thevoiceofreason]

30. Nope -- if you count overseas stuff, 24-12

[Hill_YesWeWill]

55. oh, ok, got it! nt

[jefferson_dem]

3. Caucus states don't count.

Sorry. Move on.

[jasmine621]

89. The real story here is who made of the 17,000 provisional voters.

When you look inside those numbers, as told by the N. Mexico party chair, there weren't many Dems. And this is what is so damn scary. Hillary won, but she won from Dems. A lot of the provisionals were voting for Obama, that's what made it close. One of two things: these are actually people who want to vote Dem, or these are people who really don't want to see Hillary as the nominee and who will in the GE not really vote for Obama.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. What time is Obama's concession speech?

[Hill_YesWeWill]

11. He already gave it on Super Tuesday silly! nt

[rodeodance]

29. was that when he left NM early and flew to Missouri and gave it??

[rodeodance]

15. I demand an immediate on your knees speech!!

gee i sound so much like an obamacamper it scares me!

[Hill_YesWeWill]

35. um, to whoever replied to my previous post, I can't see you, sorry

I don't mean to be rude, but I can't see what you are saying because you are on ignore, so that's why I'm not repyling to you

[XemaSab]

5. By .8%?

:shrug:

[jsamuel]

24. that is about how much Obama won MO by

[XemaSab]

37. Missouri, Iowa, and Connecticut being the only three states he had a single-digit lead in.

Versus New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and New Hampshire for Clinton. Which is nearly half her states.

[jsamuel]

52. the ones she did have big leads in are also delegate rich states

although I have no idea why we are talking about this. The thread topic was NM.

[CreekDog]

59. but Hillary's win is signficant

mark my words. :eyes:

[totodeinhere]

63. Right, she had a net gain of one delegate!

[bridgit]

80. Obama wins one delegate they shut the neighborhood down and have a block party...

:party:

[THUNDER HANDS]

6. this is why the three post limit sucks

two people just posted the same story as it broke, meaning one person just wasted a post.

[MadBadger]

10. Agreed.

[rodeodance]

23. such a deal.

[CatWoman]

44. you're always bitching about something!!!

:hi:

[THUNDER HANDS]

54. I'm cranky, dammit!!!

x(


:hi:

[0007]

65. Happy Birthday and Merry Christmas in advance. IOW's

I'll be the first to recognize your genius and give you these kind wishes this year.

You are the guardian deity of this fucking place. Bar None!
:hi:

[CatWoman]

91. *smooch*

:hi:

:loveya:

[IronLionZion]

77. this is why I support it. You better think carefully before you start a post. nt

[Hill_YesWeWill]

7. does this mean Caucuses matter now? nt

[UALRBSofL]

19. This is great news for Hillary and her supporters

Happy to see she got the win. BTW:I'm glad we have the three thread limit. :)

[Hill_YesWeWill]

41. Me too, the 3 thread limit rocks! Well, this makes it more of a contest, whch is good

some more good news is that New Mexico is very close to Texas, obviously! One could argue that east and south texas might go the same way.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Congrat to Hillary...... although I had already counted this one for her!

But, but, but....I thought Hispanics don't vote for Black Candidates!

How could it be so close!

[jackson_dem]

9. This may help her get a little momentum if the msm decides to report it

[FrenchieCat]

13. Why? She was ahead at the time of the recount......

it is a hallow victory.

Personally, I'm glad that Obama is still the underdog.

[jackson_dem]

45. Newspaper headlines, albeit on pg 6, "Clinton wins..."

[cbayer]

58. Hallowed: greatly revered or respected. nt.

[11 Bravo]

60. A "hallow" victory is one which has been sanctified as holy.

Perhaps you meant "hollow"?

:shrug:

[juajen]

57. They'll probably report that guy reporting the results more

than they will the actual results. Why did he draw that out so. The long count was bad enough. I loved him thanking all of the repuglicans and independents who voted. I keep telling ya'll that's the pugs screwing with our elections. In some states it works better than others, and in some states their caucuses are closed, which, as I understand it, can only be attended by dems, but I don't know the other rules. Perhaps someone could enlighten us. Closed primaries and closed caucuses should be demanded by all of us. Why do you think all of the repuglicans are closed? They know that if they didn't we could mess with theirs the way they mess with ours.

Cynthia McKinney's defeat in Georgia because of repuglican cross-over votes taught us nothing. Honestly, sometimes I have no sympathy for the democratic party at all. We bring so much of this crap on ourselves.

Obviously, I believe that Hillary wouldn't be having any problems at all right now if it weren't for cross-over voters in caucuses and primaries.

Hooray for closed primaries and caucuses.

[Thrill]

12. So caucus are good again?

[rodeodance]

42. ~crickets~

[juajen]

Nope, they aren't. Nor are closed primaries.

Her margin should have been a lot larger.

[MonkeyFunk]

69. If all caucuses worked like New Mexico

it would be a lot better. The polls were open for 7 hours, you didn't have to be there at any particular time. You cast a private ballot, and absentee and early voting were permitted. It was much more like a regular primary than a typical caucus.

[thevoiceofreason]

14. She had already won it.

But regardless, congratulations HRC. Still 0-8 since 2/5, but good work regardless.

[DefenseLawyer]

16. Is New Mexico "significant"?

I have a hard time keeping track.

[DiamondJay]

32. its matters because of the tossup latino demographic

it isn't just people who were gonna vote for him any, this caucus includes a tossup demographic

[DefenseLawyer]

53. I was making a joke

in reference to Mark Penn's line that Obama hadn't won any of the "significant" states. I just wondered if, having won there, NM would gain some significance with Mr. Penn.

[alcibiades_mystery]

68. Silly! If Hillary won, it's significant

I don't think you're following the Clinton-logic.

[Madam Mossfern]

17. Congratulations to Ms. Clinton

and her supporters. How will those delegates be apportioned? It seemed like a close vote-the closest in NM's history.

[susankh4]

74. Still waiting on a delegate count...

Looks like maybe 18 to 13. But that is not official.

[Yael]

18. So we can move NM into the "States that matter" column?

[rodeodance]

36. whatever your please my dear --go for it.

[TheDonkey]

20. It's a caucus so it does not count. SORRY

[Iktomiwicasa]

40. Plus, it's only New Mexico...

...so it REALLY doesn't matter ;)

[TheDonkey]

46. oh I forgot. It isn't one of the big blue "important" states that really matter

HC must be pissed.

[MonkeyFunk]

66. It's much more like a regular election

Polls were open from noon to 7:00pm, you didn't have to be there at a particular time. You cast a private ballot. Absentee and early voting was permitted.

It was nothing like the Iowa caucuses.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

21. you know, it's actually really bad luck for this to be announced today with this new school shooting

this is horrible!

[Straight Shooter]

22. Maybe now Bill Richardson will openly endorse Hillary Clinton.

:)

[Beausoir]

38. Hmmm..interesting.

Maybe this will be the incentive he needs to make it official.

[aquarius dawning]

25. YAY!!! Good for Hillary. Carry on pooping all over it now Obamaphiles.

[angie_love]

26. caucuses matter again

[rodeodance]

49. and more ~crickets~ on board!

[Moh96]

27. wow thats got to stop Obama's Mo LOL

[PresidentObama]

28. HILLARY WINS!! Yay!!

[rodeodance]

31. ~ALL FIRED UP FOR THE LADY~ YES SHE CAN~ YES WE CAN~

[rodeodance]

33. REC

[thevoiceofreason]

34. So if supers had to follow their state's popular vote

Barack would be ahead now only 294 to 242.

[Spider Jerusalem]

39. You mean, if superdelegates split according to popular vote totals?

Because the Democratic party doesn't allocate delegates on a winner-take-all basis. He'd still be up by more than that.

[thevoiceofreason]

64. No, I mean if the supers were winner take all according to their state's popular vote

[Spider Jerusalem]

67. but the pledged delegates aren't winner take all.

That may fly with the Republicans, but the Democratic Party doesn't do things that way.

And Obama leads in overall popular vote totals.

So your argument is nonsensical.

[thevoiceofreason]

73. I'm just saying if it were.

I haven't done the math on supers with proportional, but his tally would be higher. I was trying to give HRC supporters every advantage to show Barack is still ahead, however you slice it (in other words, the HRC fan mantra of "but Kerry and Kennedy would have to switch" implies that EVERYONE in a state would switch). So, I was just out for an afternoon debunking. Just fooling around while I'm on a conference call.

Peace

[book_worm]

43. Good, but considering how close it was in a state with a heavy latino population I think Obama has

bragging rights.

[juajen]

86. That's the problem. Did you hear the guy that announced

thank all of the republicans, independents, greenies and the Bull Moose party that voted in their caucus. The pubs crossed over, exactly in all states and caucuses that permitted it. They keep screwing with our elections and we keep permitting it. Why do you think they should pick our nominee? They can vote for whomever they want in the GE, so, why do we keep letting them f**k with our elections. They have no right to pick our nominee.

Its shenanigans like this that caused the party to create super delegates. No damn griping about who they choose either. The rules should change. I don't care if they do away with super delegates if they close all of our primaries and caucuses.

I know they do this. I have a republican sister in Georgia and she certainly knows how the pubs work our elections.

I am sick of it.

[theHandpuppet]

47. By the way...

Did anyone else think that guy who announced the results was a little bit on the weird side? I was starting to think he'd swallowed a bottle of sleeping pills or something.

[Vinca]

48. Not surprising. The election was before Obama's winning streak took off.

Congratulations to her, though. It'll change the delegate count by a couple.

[rodeodance]

56. gotta love those sandwich posts

[NoPasaran]

50. Thank You Land Of Enchantment!

:bounce:
:bounce:
:bounce:

[NJSecularist]

51. We already had this in her win column on February 5th

Sorry that it doesn't count as a new win, and it doesn't count as a momentum stopper for Hillary. :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[FrenchieCat]

61. Richardson with Bill's photo op might have put Hillary over the edge!

Go BAMA!

[DiamondJay]

71. NO! the clintons MUST have rigged it!

don't underestimate the Obamaniac Cult's comspiracy theory mill

[ElizabethDC]

62. Woot!

That's all I've got to say! :)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

70. ¡Mucho gracias a mis amigos en New México por su inteligencia!

[stevenleser]

72. As far as I am concerned, it means they did not catch whatever the problem was, and now...

the exit polling information has been changed. I'm writing an article on this now. Perhaps there is a perfectly good explanation, I'd like to hear what it is.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

92. Oh You And Your Silly Little Articles.

:rofl:

Gee, you're not pimpin for attention or nothin :P

[Perry Logan]

75. See? I told you IQ's were going up.

[BlackVelvet04]

76. K&R n/t

[George_Bonanza]

78. This small caucus state counts now?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

83. NM was a CLOSED caucus....keyword being "closed"

[MonkeyFunk]

90. And do you know how the caucus worked?

You didn't have to be there at a particular time. You cast a private ballot. You could vote abseentee or vote early.

It was much more like a primary than the typical caucus. But people love making that crack without knowing anything about it.

[quakerboy]

79. I thought we already knew that

Congratulations to her.

[Hoof Hearted]

81. My thoughts are . . ... ... .. YaaaaAAAAAHHHHOOOOOOOO!

Now we get to hear how the votes were *stolen* and how NM voters were just too darn busy to figure out who to vote for all by themselves. Throw in some derogatory remarks about Hispanics and retirees and we'll be good to go!

[NMDemDist2]

82. she needs the headlines so it's good for her n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

84. Bill "Diebold" Richardson.

:evilgrin:

[southern_dem]

85. Finally a caucus that counts! n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

87. party bosses taking those 3 ballot boxes home really helped n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

88. yeah of course that it.

another steaming pile.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

94. BALLOT BOXES SPENT NIGHT WITH DEM PARTY CHAIR

From New Mexico political reporter Heath Haussaman:

Uncounted Rio Arriba County ballots raise eyebrows

The New Mexico Democratic Party caucus may be tainted by three ballot boxes that spent the night in the home of the Rio Arriba County party chair or the homes of other local election officials instead of being reported to the state party.

Those ballots still haven’t been counted, but they have been retrieved by the state party.

Several sources told me the ballot boxes spent the night at the home of Rio Arriba County Democratic Party Chair Theresa Martinez, whose state-lawmaker husband, Sen. Richard Martinez, endorsed Hillary Clinton. But Richard Martinez told Santa Fe New Mexican reporter Kate Nash that the boxes actually spent the night in the homes of three polling-place managers. He gave Nash no explanation for why the results from those ballots weren’t reported to the state party last night and why they were instead kept overnight in officials’ homes.

...The Obama and Clinton campaigns should have lawyers there trying to figure out what’s happening and ready to act if necessary. My understanding is that Obama attorneys are already on their way. The state party needs to quickly resolve this and tell the public how it’s going to allay fears that the election process is tainted beyond repair.

http://haussamen.blogspot.com/2008/02/uncounted-rio-arriba-county-ballots.html

She won with a margin of just 1,709 votes in the New Mexico contest..
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1449251220080214

How many ballots WERE in those boxes?

[ProSense]

93. Cue Bill with his foot in his mouth, again

On WMAL-AM yesterday in an interview with Chris Plante, former President Bill Clinton implied the media has been unfair to his wife, stated that she was standing up to sexism when she took on NBC, and -- when asked about MSNBC's David Shuster's comments about his daughter, Chelsea -- said there was a double standard.

"If he had made a racial slur against Senator Obama, he would have been fired," Clinton said.

Of his wife's recent travails, he said, "the caucuses aren't good for her. They disproportionately favor upper-income voters who, who, don't really need a president but feel like they need a change."

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