Why Joe Wilson can go screw himself.

[burythehatchet]

He's not a politician. He has been a foreign service worker. His political positions should remain as neutral as possible. Were it not for his wife being outed by Dick Cheney no one would know who the hell he is. For him to write editorials endorsing a candidate in a primary is completely out of line.

15 minutes are up, Joe. Take a break.

FYI - I have no problem whatsoever with many democrats that I respect supporting Hillary.

[JuniperLea]

1. Joe knows first hand the dangers our country faces

And he knows the dangers that can be heaped on that pile by a president.

He has every right to endorse whomever he pleases, imho.

[chimpymustgo]

2. Another "former hero" thrown under the Obama bus.

So sad.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Hero?

Wasn't he the spouse of a victim of the Bush administration?

[Ivote]

10. Look Up His Record First

and then criticize if you dare

[incapsulated]

11. Yeah, the one who called out Bush on the yellowcake lie?

Yeah, who is he, some asshole.

You know, back in the Dark Ages, Before Obama (B.O.) he was a hero on DU.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. And because of that I should consider him a hero...

and vote for the Senator who voted for the war?

Did that make sense to you before you posted it?

[incapsulated]

22. Yes, it did

Because I am CAPABLE of disagreeing with a fucking POLITICIAN running for President.

I don't think Hillary walks on water and I don't throw good people under a bus for a POLITICIAN who made a single speech against the war and then voted to refund it over and over and made his first floor speech when he got to the Senate *against* Kerry's withdrawal plan.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. Does it still?

Because your whole argument is "Wilson was a hero for standing up against the war. (Same doesn't apply to Obama for some reason) Wilson is now slurring Obama. Obama supporters have no business criticizing the anti-war hero. Vote Hillary."

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[incapsulated]

31. I'm not voting for a hero, I'm voting for a politician

Just like you are.

The difference is I don't buy your politician as any anti-war candidate and he has done NOTHING to make me think he would have voted any diffrently on IWR.

In fact, he said himself *at the time* he "doesn't know" how he would have voted.

But you go on and keep telling yourself he is some revolutionary, I'm reality based.

And I DON'T diss REAL heroes for some fucking scumbag politician, and they are all scumbags.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

84. LOL

[SoFlaJet]

17. yes a hero

who did his best to try and stop this war-he has a lot of latitude as far as I'm concerned and can say whatever he wants-the Hillary backers are right on this one...just because he supports Clinton does NOT make him any less of one

[flyarm]

42. you don't even know he was an ambassador? that he was sent by the CIA to check to see if saddam

was buying yellow cake..you don't know that GHBUSH gave him an award for bravery.. because during the first Gulf war Joe Wilson stood up to saddam and he got Americans out of Iraq..you don't know he served this nation?

no one has more of a right to speak out than those who served this nation and to say otherwise is g.d.ignorant!


so did the OP serve this nation?..and if so then you have every right to speak out and endorse who ever you damn well please as does each and every American...you just may not have the stage ..but no one..no one has the damn right to tell another who served this nation that they should not speak up..that is bullshit!

oh and if that is the uniting that Obama seems to get from his followers..what a bunch of kool aide drinking slobs...and ..it seems to remind me of someone else..who said he was an uniter!..fuck that!

I will take Joe Wilsons opinion over the OP and anyone here in a heart beat!

fly


just another servant of this country the obamaites slime...classy folks that you are!

[incapsulated]

49. Yeah, but his "15 minutes are up" now he endorsed Hillary

That's how it goes in Obamaworld.

[FormerDittoHead]

60. I wonder who the welcome wagon will run over next...

They kinda lost me when they started calling Bill Clinton a racist... :eyes:

[flyarm]

64. i am about sick to death of fucking obamaworld,..who the fuck are these idiots?

and who the fuck do they think they are telling anyone what they can or can't do..these little assholes don't even know who Joe Wilson is..how absolutely stupid are these people?

they ask no damn questions.. they just pray at the alter of obama..and drink the fucking kool aide..god forbid any of them do any reading and learn anything about their master obama!

i am about sick of this obama bullshit..and i have worked for and with the dem party my entire life..but am inches close from leaving it.

i am sick of this bullshit..

go smear obama's friends..you know Rezko ..and wait till that trial begins..

this is shit..

No one has sacrificed more than Joe Wilson and his wife..they have lived through death threats..and gotten no security for it..they have been left out to die by this administration and now the obama freaks want to pile on..well fuck off obamaites..put your ipods back in..we don't need your opinion.

these freaks are pissing me off as much as the bush bots did!

fly

[burythehatchet]

69. Idiot here, flyarm. Thanks for the insult.

[BooScout]

53. HELLO !!!!

Good grief are they all like you?

[asdjrocky]

93. Did you forget the article?

Joe was one of the first Americans to point out that the emperor has no clothes.

[burythehatchet]

5. How do you feel about Gary Hart, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, etc.

Did you and your fellow hypocrites have something to say when they endorsed?

[Marie26]

58. See, that's the beauty of living in a free country

People can endorse who they want & say what they want. I don't even get your point here.

[Beaverhausen]

78. I don't recall anyone saying they shouldn't endorse a candidate

why on earth would you think Joe Wilson, who is now a private citizen AFAIK, has no right to voice an opinion in this election?

[AntiFascist]

107. Good point, John Kerry has a throrough understanding of BCCI...

and what it involves. If Joe Wilson could demonstrate the same level of understanding, then I would take his endorsement seriously. Otherwise, it looks like he is just kissing up for some sort of appointment in a Clinton administration.

[NoPasaran]

8. Only one person allowed to walk on water at a time

Best leave the pool for the O-Man, if you know what's good for you!

[The Backlash Cometh]

73. Sometimes choosing to click on a thread to peer inside, is like

an act of self-mutilation.

[Skip Intro]

103. That Hope bus is just mowing down, eh?

[incapsulated]

4. LOL

Just unreal.

I really think there should be an Obama Party because you people aren't the democrats I knew before you drank the fucking koolaide and started to hate all your previous heroes.

[burythehatchet]

7. see post 5, and try to make some sense.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. Curious about your opinion of Joe before he sided with Hillary.

[burythehatchet]

12. I thought, and still think that he did a very good thing to combat the

Bush administration. But I contend that he has no place in a primary contest.

[incapsulated]

36. If he were endorsing Obama and going at Hillary

You would be praising him to the skies.

The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I do *not* attack supporters of Obama who are people I admire, who *earned* my respect, just because I disagree with them over Hillary.

I certainly don't deny them their rights of, oh, free speech because they don't like my candidate.

Did you voice outrage over Oprah selling Obama's candidacy? Who is she to be involved?

Please.

[burythehatchet]

41. I did not approve of Oprah's involvement at all, but don't that interfere

with your delusions. Go Hill!

[incapsulated]

44. Ah, and did you start a thread saying she should go screw herself?

My delusions, eh?

[burythehatchet]

46. I believe there were plenty of threads from your clone army carrying forth with that endeavor

Yeah, your delusions.

[flyarm]

48. bullshit..he served this nation ..he has every g.d. right in the primary contest..as does each and

every american..

how dare "you" decide who has a place in our democracy?

he served this nation..and he has the right to say whatever he damn well wants!

fly

[burythehatchet]

59. there's a reson why foreign service people and other groups like

SCOTUS justices don't publicly advertise their support.

[flyarm]

71. bullshit..many in foreign service publically show their support!..that is bullshit! eom

[troubleinwinter]

102. Absolutely. His choice may or may not be mine, but he served with true honor.

[SoFlaJet]

I have no problem with Joe Wilson supporting whoever he wants

he was a hero before this op-ed and he is still a hero after
signed
an Obama Supporter

[Ivote]

19. Thank you SoFlaJet

signed a Hillary supporter

[SoFlaJet]

27. and thank you Ivote

if it was you that sent me a heart-or whoever it was

[ORDem]

9. You're over-reacting methinks. n/t

I support Obama, but I don't have any heartburn over Joe Wilson's endorsement. :dem:

[Whisp]

13. I thought he'd have more class than that.

some of the things he said were really over the top and needless.
He has every right to support whomever he likes, but pulling out his claws like that, doesn't make sense to me.

[burythehatchet]

25. If you read his piece, it was over the top, as you say. Hell, he can even endorse, but

playing a surrogate is out of line.

[Blue_In_AK]

15. Nice.

:eyes: :crazy:

[mitchtv]

16. Incredible

Obamanians and RW talking points go together like a horse and carriage.What's next, Valerie Plame wasn't covert?

[whistle]

18. I believe that the public careers of both Joe Wilson and his wife Valerie Plame

...were amputated by the players in the Bush administration and so they have the complete right to come forward and expose this abuse of power by BushCo.

[tritsofme]

20. He talks about Karl Rove being frog marched out of the WH he is a hero, when he crosses St. Barack

His 15 minutes are up.

Oh, and should he only be neutral in Democratic politics, or is it OK in a general election?

Crazy world the Obama people live in.

[stellanoir]

21. Joe Wilson is a total patriot IMHO.

What he and his wife have had to endure is thoroughly beyond the pale.

I disagree with you that he has no voice in light of his stellar service.

I humbly disagree with his argument about someone being "battle tested."

Maybe it's just time to transcend such divisive conflicts is all.

Maybe let's try to just get along for a change.

This is semi old but truly classic IMHO.

http://www.global-mindshift.org/memes/wombat.swf

[John Q. Citizen]

23. It's a free country and Joe can endorse who he likes. I always appreciated that he

stood up and published his OP ed on Iraq, Africa and yellow cake.

That doesn't mean that I'm blind to the fact that he and his wife are knee deep in the empire. They obviously are.

Hill's friend and former business partner James Carvelle showed up at Libby's sentencing hearing and begged for mercy for the dissembler. Doesn't that strike anyone as odd?

[MonkeyFunk]

24. LOL

Another of last-year's heroes trashed on DU. You guys crack me up.

[ronnykmarshall]

33. K & R this mutha!

Just to show what a bunch of shit it is.

[burythehatchet]

66. Thank you.

[ronnykmarshall]

28. He just an ol' Poo-Poo head!

Yeah his 15 minutes are up. He's just like the "Leave Britney Alone"!

:eyes:

[Hoof Hearted]

35. "Leave Britney Alone"!

OMG. That's IT!

:rofl:

I think I'm going to have to steal that and use it once or twice. Maybe a few hundred times.

That's hilarious!

[Hoof Hearted]

29. UNDER THE BUS WITH YOU JOE WILSON!

you'll have great company though.

Maya Angelou
John Glenn
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

and many, many more!

[nonconformist]

39. I love your sigline image! nt

[NYCGirl]

43. And I've never seen Chappaquiddick mentioned here until Kennedy endorsed

Obama. John Kerry got another round of swiftboating from some DUers here, too.

[burythehatchet]

50. no replies to post #5 yet.

[MonkeyFunk]

56. What kind of reply do you want?

Obviously, you found those criticisms - as rare as they were - unfair and out of line. Then you engage in the same thing. It's childish.

[MonkeyFunk]

54. And did you think that

was a reasonable criticism? Did you think it was a fair point to bring up? Did you like it?

[NYCGirl]

62. No, and as I said on another thread, I love Joe Wilson; he is a great patriot.

But I don't have to agree with his assessment of either Clinton or Obama.

[flyarm]

57. add larry johnson to the obamaites shit list as well..seems they like to unite..don't they

kinda like little lord pissy pants the uniter..

obama the un-uniter...

lets shit all over everyone who has stood for the democratic party and democracy..for the past 8 years...yeah obamaites..what a great job you are doing pissying on everyone !!

fly

[burythehatchet]

61. I am shocked to see you make those broad generalizations. n/t

[flyarm]

74. whattttt?? did you miss all the nasty threads about Larry Johnson yesterday???

well hell bells i read at least 20 yesterday..i responded to only one..but damn i guess you missed it..or how about the nasty posts about John Edwards..did you miss them as well..gee the obamaites have been very busy..smearing everyone they can..now it is Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame..but that is not new ..the smears for Joe have been going on by the obamaites for quite sometime..,.so who is next on the list?? can we smear some other great democrats ..or how about we just do a list and have checks on who we don't like today??????????

i am sick of it..

who the fuck do these obamaites think they are..hell.. half of them are so ignorant they don 't even know who they are fucking smearing!

i have had enough..

fly

[burythehatchet]

97. pharmaceuticals may be in order. n/t

[sniffa]

94. And Kerry, and Kennedy and Patrick and MoveON and

[Marie26]

30. He's also a hero, patriot, & dedicated public servant

But I guess if he's not endorsing Obama he's worth nothing, right?

[Maribelle]

32. I remember posting to a wingnut years ago at another site who said this...

something like ... the problem with wingnuts is that they fail to realize Mr. Wlison has this lovely wife who appears to adore him. Is this concept too hard for you to grasp, or is your grasp too busy to think of anything else besides one screwing ones-self? Must be a lonely life for people like you.

[burythehatchet]

37. I have GREAT life sweet pea. Thanks for your concern n/t

[kristopher]

34. I think you're way out of line.

Joe Wilson has the right to speak his political opinion just like anyone else.

I may not agree with him this time but he is one of the good guys who has given his life for the freedom you would deny him. Shame on you for letting your emotions override you sense of right and wrong.

[Straight Shooter]

38. No one would know who he is?

Noose? Saddam? Hostages?

Short memory much?

ETA:
http://thismodernworld.com/2953

"But Joe Wilson is also the guy who once personally stared Saddam Hussein down in a way that Bush and Rove and the rest of the Chimpy Legion could never have mustered.

It’s September, 1990. About sixty of our fellow Americans in Iraq have sought safety by heading for the American embassy. So Saddam, thinking they’d be nifty to keep around as hostages, sends a note along saying he’ll execute anybody harboring foreigners. And what does United States Ambassador Joseph Wilson do?

Joe Wilson has one of the Marines on staff tie a big ol’ noose, puts it around his own neck, and calls a press conference, with one simple message:

If the choice is to allow American citizens to be taken hostage or to be executed, I will bring my own f—ing rope.

And sure enough, Saddam backs down. And the Americans get out OK.

This was a guy whose hand I would want to shake, sixteen years later, even if the name “Valerie Plame” is never made public ...

[11 Bravo]

40. If I had to choose between sharing a foxhole with you or Joe Wilson ...

I might require an entire nanosecond to select Ambassador Wilson. (But only if I got distracted in mid-thought.)

[Name removed]

45. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bridgit]

47. I would think that if anyone has earned the right to their opinions it is Joe & Valerie...

[burythehatchet]

52. What did Barack Obama have to do with them? Why did he feel necessary to attack him?

A simple endorsement would have been fine.

[bridgit]

75. It seems allot of these risk assessment/loss prevention folks are coming out i.e. Wilson...

Larry Johnson, etc; what they may have determined not only by way of their life experiences, but by using steady, long understood templates for assessing such matters from within the fields they've worked within: operational risk assessment, ambassadorial over-view, and so forth; may be yielding views that run counter to what many Obama folks are prepared to even hear, let alone digest...just a thought,

I see it here all the time, every day, routinely. People think that another point of view is Yikes! An attack!! Load, arm & fire all neutron torpedoes!! When it may just be someone's opinion, but yeah...

If a 'simple' endorsement could have dumped all the piss & vinegar (and there's little indication that it would have) then it may-should have been a 'simple' one after all.

To suggest that these various folks with their opinions, however contrary to they held by Obama supporters, have no right to express them, is at least for me a non-starter.

[burythehatchet]

100. It's natural for people who have been on the "inside" to support insiders.

But its out of line for a diplomat to attack a primary candidate who isn't taking wacky positions.

[bridgit]

104. You should be thankful Holbrook hasn't throw his hat in this ill-formed ring of fire

[CatWoman]

51. Actually, Hon

I'd much rather screw you :)

[burythehatchet]

55. HEY! Happy valentine's day!

[Marrah_G]

63. So if someone doesn't support YOUR candidate they can go screw themselves?

The Dem party has no need of pathetic attitudes like that.

You just earned my assholish post of the day award. Congrats!

[burythehatchet]

65. What do I win pumpkin?

[Catherine Vincent]

67. I'm sure if Wilson would be criticizing Hillary, you wouldn't say that.

nt

[burythehatchet]

72. Absolutely I would. Non-politicians acting as surrogates is not proper.

For example, if Oprah has been attacking Hillary, that would be similarly out of line in my opinion.

[dansolo]

68. I don't mind him endorsing Hillary

What I don't like is his use or Rovian tactics. It is perfectly legitimate to raise questions about Obama's experience. If he had stopped there, I wouldn't have cared. But he crossed the line when he deliberately misrepresented an incident between Obama and McCain, using hearsay from a McCain staffer to raise a nebulous ad homenem attack. He is better than that.

And while we are on the topic of experience, I would be curious to know if Hillary ever spoke to Joe Wilson before the IWR vote, and I wonder if he advised her to vote one way or the other on it.

[burythehatchet]

70. Excactly my point.

[0007]

76. Egads!! Tary farties

I’m thinking we could use a
party ...

[Auntie Bush]

77. Anyone can write an editorial!

It takes someone germane to get it published. I guess they thought he had creditability and a right to making his decision public.
Sheeeeeeesh@ A person can't even defend himself today when he was attacked by this administration regarding Bush lying to get us into war. I guess that was not important in your eyes. He's just some out of the woodwork weirdo.

[dave123williams]

79. Wrong. Just wrong.

Re-read the first amendment, chuckles. He can endorse whomever he wants to, period.

[Auntie Bush]

80. Anyone can write an OP ED or Editorial.

It takes someone germane to get it published. I guess they thought he had creditability and a right to making his decision public.
Sheeeeeeesh@ A person can't even defend himself today when he was attacked by this administration regarding Bush lying to get us into war. I guess that was not important in your eyes. He's just some out of the woodwork weirdo.

[blues90]

81. Most people who were aware knew who Wilson is

And if he should stay out of politics then there is a long list who should stay out of politics like Oprah for starts .

[flyarm]

92. no kidding..and who's opinion would i listen to first..Oprah or Wilson..i pick Wilson! eom

[CTLawGuy]

82. He has the right to take whatever position he wants

but I think becoming an attack dog for Hillary is pretty distasteful.

[Seeker30]

83. If this doesnt show the right wing is alive and kicking here

I don't know what does.

[incapsulated]

86. Sadly, you are wrong

This isn't the right wing, it's the Obama wing.

This poster has been here for years.

[mikelgb]

85. lol

[izzybeans]

87. He's entitled to his opinion. I don't agree with him. But he can state his opinion

wherever they let him. I myself would like to have the same platform but I don't have star power no matter how accidental or incidental that was for poor Joe and his wife.

[noamnety]

88. Wow. That's a crap post.

If he's supporting Hillary, I will strongly disagree with his opinion - that doesn't affect his right to say it. He's signed no loyalty oath, and a person doesn't lose their right to speak out about their government after serving in it.

I have been in the military. Do my positions need to remain as neutral as possible now for the rest of my life? Am I not allowed to endorse candidates or write editorials now?

I would like to see your credentials so we can find out if you meet my (random) criteria for posting your opinion about Wilson.

[NastyRiffraff]

89. YET another DU "hero" sacrficed to the Great God Obama

So, Joe Wilson, a PRIVATE CITIZEN, has no right to endorse whomever he wants, and criticize a POLITICIAN in public? As several had said here, I would have loved to see the reactions from Obama supporters had he supported their demigod.

It's not a cult. It threatens to be a state religion.

[smalll]

101. You got it. "burythehatchet" buries the hatchet in Joe, to cut out alive his still beating heart --

Their strange new god is a bloodthirsty god.


How much more good Democratic blood will be sacrificed on his altar? John Edwards, Joe Wilson, RFK Jr., etc. etc. Gay people. Boomers and old people. Now, blue collar workers - the working classes - you know, the core of the "old" Democratic Party ever since FDR.

[mmonk]

90. Endorsements are no problems.

The surrogates have been taking the low road including Joe. They are going scorched earth in the primary instead of the general election. The hard feelings may stay.

[burythehatchet]

99. Joe Wilson, from what I've seen of him, seems like he could serve the country again

how does attacking Obama help him or us? Though I understand the vitriol on this thread, for nuance doesn't play well in the jungle.

[mmonk]

106. It doesn't help.

This is a marker being called in IMO.

[Aussie leftie]

91. I knew of Joe Wilson long before his wife was outed

He was one of the few men courageous enough to speak up against the Bush administration's propaganda tactics to go to war against Iraq. And I live in Australia. He, I respect more than Ted Kennedy.

[doc03]

95. What happened? Did he endorse Hillary or

something? I thought we liked Joe Wilson in these parts.

[mtnsnake]

96. What a rotten thing to say about a hero who took on Bush the way Joe Wilson did

Only on DU could you ever find a Democrat who could spew such venom about someone like Joe Wilson.

[bridgit]

105. most agreed...

[asdjrocky]

98. Welcom to-

The Obamanation.

[jconner27]

108. Poor Obama supporters

Not only Obama has a glass jaw but his supporters do too.