I'm an Obama supporter and If Clinton is the nominee I will support and vote for her

[stevenleser]

unless the Florida and Michigan delegates are seated as is and they decide the nomination, then I stay home. I'll even pull the lever for her if the superdelegates decide it in her favor, because those are the rules. I may not be happy about it, and some sort of compromise should be made between the candidates to avoid that if the primary/caucus season ends without someone getting to the required total, but she would still get my vote.

Regardless of the situation, be it hide and go seek when you are a kid, or a sporting event, or this nomination, once you say the rules are X and then afterwards you change them so that your side wins, that is what we all used to call cheating.

I've written in the past about how I feel about Michigan and Florida but that is not what this post is about. I read a great post today by DS1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4581170 about supporting the nominee. I think that is the right approach. Obama supporters, of which I am one, should not stay home if Hillary is the nominee, even if Obama is slightly ahead and the Superdelegates decide it the other way. Hillary supporters, you shouldnt stay home either if the same happens in reverse.

The point I am making is, we should all support the nominee. I can understand if there are some specific circumstances that are so offensive to you that if they happen, you will not be able to do so. I listed what would cause me to stay home. Barring those things, we should support the nominee and vote for him or her.

[Nitrogenica]

1. Thank You!

[still_one]

6. You see if they seat those delegates as is, then that is a form of stealing also

It is stealing from those candidates who were told NOT to put their name on the ballot by the DNC

If they don't do a redo, and they seat the MI and FL delegates as is, then I don't want someone who agreed to follow the DNC, and then turns around and does the opposite

The choice is very simiple, but maybe the need for power is stronger than integrity

[Olney Blue]

8. OMG, your pics really tell the story about the chimp's bush fetish.

[still_one]

9. The poster is trying to say if you don't vote, that is what you will say I think

[stevenleser]

10. Huh?

I'm not sure I follow you...

[still_one]

2. Your feelings are identical to mine, except you articulated it better, thanks /nt

[stevenleser]

5. No, thank YOU for supporting my post!

We have got to defeat McCain!

[noamnety]

3. I may point back to this post in the future

when people give me grief for refusing to vote for anyone who funded the war.

I think that, in the end, is more of a crime against humanity than seating delegates or not seating delegates.

[stevenleser]

7. As someone who has fought against this war since 3 months before it began...

I cannot say that I am unsympathetic to your position, but consider this. I have a serious fear that a President McCain would attack Iran. If you and many who feel like you do stay home, and McCain attacks Iran, how would you feel? I think we can all agree that neither Hillary nor Obama would do so.

[noamnety]

14. but if the delegates are seated, you'd rather we attack Iran?

not following the logic. "If you and many who feel like you do stay home, and McCain attacks Iran, how would you feel?"

We can't all agree on that last part, not til they themselves have taken it off the table.

[DJ13]

4. Up to the super delegates deciding it (against the will of the voters) I agree

If they do that, or seat the Michigan and Florida delegates, they can forget my vote as well.

[NMMatt]

11. I agree...

But it won't happen. I wouldn't vote for Hillary this Fall, if and only if, she managed to get Florida and Michigan seated as is, without a redo and that is what won it for her. But it won't happen. She needs the majority of pledged delegates to make it happen. If she gets the majority of pledged delegates, then in my book, she's won the election fair and square and it wouldn't actually be the right thing to do to seat the FL and MI delegates.

My bigger concern is that she'll try to force an inconclusive result as long as possible, even to the convention, which would really be bad for the Democrats. I hope if she clearly lost the delegate and popular vote when Puerto Rico votes (and hopefully before then) that she bows out gracefully.

[NMMatt]

12. They won't

Unless it is a virtual tie, or she wins popular vote and he wins pledged delegates, etc. Super Delegates are more concerned about their own electability this Fall than hers. Most DNC members are concerned more about the Democratic Party than they are about any one candidate. The political risk is too great to be seen as over turning the will of the people, with little upside. What could a potential president Clinton offer that a potential president Obama couldn't in way of appointments or other individual enticements? Any kind of loyalty to the Clintons won't be enough to sway the majority of Supers, which is what she would need. I suppose the only other possibility is if Obama is seen as far less viable in November than Clinton, but all indicators say just the opposite.

By the way... if it is a tie after Puerto Rico, my bet is that a deal is worked out to redo the Michigan and Florida elections paid for by the DNC and/or the candidates themselves - perhaps a Caucus in one and a Primary in the other, or something along those lines.

[Spider Jerusalem]

13. I won't.

Not if she puts her ego and ambition first, and takes the nomination without a majority of pledged delegates. Not if she uses superdelegates and the disallowed results of Michigan and Florida to get the nomination. She doesn't deserve to win if she can't do it fairly; she won't be getting my vote unless she walks into the convention with a clear lead in committed delegate total. If that happens, I'm going to vote for her; if she takes the nomination through backroom deals, then she and the Democratic Party can both go to hell, because I won't be supporting either.

One hopes she's not that stupid.