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PhD Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 04:54 AM
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Is anyone else getting tired of MoveOn telling you how to vote?
I thought the point of MoveOn.org was to support Democratic candidates and causes, not to endorse one candidate and tell its members to only vote for him. I'm getting fed up with all these emails telling me to vote for Obama. Let me make up my own mind!

In fact, I already did. Guess what, Eli? I voted for Hillary on Super Tuesday, jerk!
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 04:56 AM
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1. Sore loser
Move On endorsed a candidate, much like they did in Lieberman v Lamont.

Sorry your candidate is losing, but Move On isn't forcing people to vote for Obama.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 04:58 AM
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2. It's just another endorsement, silly. They're an activist group. Unsubscribe if you no longer...
...care for their activism. It's not worth getting excercised over.

Hekate

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PhD Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:03 AM
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4. I already tried last week, but the emails keep coming
I'm not the only one who's had this problem. My husband has been trying to unsubscribe his work address for 2 years without success.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:30 AM
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29. Here's a way of looking at it: we are Democrats and we cherish dissent
and free thinking. That is one of our most distinguishing differences with the Republican lock-step mind set. As such, it is our duty to point out what you have just pointed out. The fact is that no group is going to have sway over our ability to reason and dissent when necessary.

I think your reasoning in healthy. And very Democratic!
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 04:59 AM
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3. Funny They Didn't Tell Me How To Vote
They did endorse my candidate which made me happy, though.
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PhD Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:08 AM
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6. You're not getting the daily proddings
To not only vote for Obama but tell all your friends to do likewise? The constant barrage of links to pro-Obama articles and youTube videos? The propaganda to get "our candidate" elected even though a sizable percentage of "us" did NOT vote to endorse him?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:18 AM
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9. I Get Constant Proddings Here To Vote For Hillary
even after she sucker punched me and voted for the IWR and sold my rights down the river.
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PhD Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:28 AM
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11. The difference is DU does not fill your inbox with pro-candidate propaganda
I have no problem with individual members of MoveOn, DU, or any other organization promoting their candidate. MoveOn has gone to the extreme of assuming to speak for all its members regardless of their individual opinions.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:37 AM
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14. You Mean You Don't Have Separate EMail Accounts
for political junk, probable junk mail, work junk, family junk and possibly interesting junk? Looks like you are learning from experience.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:04 AM
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5. no, but I AM sick and tired of having DU obamacampers tell me how to vote!
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:51 AM
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33. I find your post divisive. nt.
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candymarl Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:09 AM
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7. Good point
This is the type of backlash I've been trying to point out to Obama supporters. True, Hillary is in big trouble. She needs large margins in quite a few states. But the Obama supporters, including MoveOn, are pushing awfully hard. Some folks may start to push back. Over-confidence is dangerous. It's dangerous in an organization. It's dangerous, and can be fatal, in a politician.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:17 AM
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8. Sour grapes taste bad.....
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:24 AM
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10. That's what they do! Just heard that 'Al Wynn' was defeated..
in the Md primary. He was a 'corporatist Dem' who was targetted by 'MoveOn', so that makes my day! I wish they would target Pelosi!
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:31 AM
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12. Nope, I unsubscribed

They decided to send out the Obama endorsement on the heels of John Edwards suspending his campaign. I quickly unsubscribed and never again want to see another moveon email.

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PhD Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:35 AM
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13. I feel the same way
But the unsubscribe service won't work! I've tried at least six times but am still getting their worthless emails.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:39 AM
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15. I'm glad they're doing it. I actually encouraged them to, when asked.
there was an email question posed to their subscribers asking if they should endorse in primaries, and I
said "yes"..

These primaries IMO are too important for groups like this to just sit on the sidelines until the GE.

I'm sorry they didn't pick your candidate tho, and understand it may be annoying..
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:42 AM
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16. I defected from Move-on the moment they endorsed...
that's not want I was there for.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:55 AM
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17. I unsubscribed the moment they endorsed a candidate.
They no longer have my respect and trust. I stopped my monthly donations too. I would have felt this way no matter who they endorsed. They should have remained neutral and should be fighting for all Dems, not just one in particular.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:11 AM
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18. You showed them
I'm shocked however that you didn't click on the "Don't want to receive emails on the primary, click here" link. Do you just love self flagellation? Or maybe this is all just a ruse?
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PhD Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:11 AM
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31. How many times do I have to say it?
I've clicked every unsubscribe / do not receive option they provide and THEY DON'T WORK! I've also sent complaints to MoveOn and they still continue to send the same worthless garbage. I finally had to follow my husband's lead and set up a rule to have any MoveOn emails sent directly to the trash, where they rightly belong.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:12 AM
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19. No. eom.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:21 AM
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20. In the most genteel way I can put it...
...MoveOn can go fuck itself. Sideways.

I understood MoveOn's mission was to support Democrats.

I did not understand MoveOn's mission was to pit one Democrat against another, and contribute to splitting an already fractured party.

Now it has. And now I say MoveOn can go fuck itself. Sideways.

In the most genteel way possible.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:24 AM
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21. The problem with MoveOn is their disingenuous pretension of group support for Obama
while ignoring the truth that three quarters of their base did not want them to support anyone

This deception is fully comparable to when AARP supported the corrupt republican prescription drug program that favored the drug companies.
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:25 AM
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22. Who listens to Moveon.Org...on how to vote
I certainly don't. I do my on vetting...
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:36 AM
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23. meh
To be honest, I don't read most of the emails that are sent to my specially designated political email address. Heck, I didn't even know that MovedOn had sent a special one, asking its members to vote on a candidate. I chose my candidate all on my own.

I did, however, send them a donation after the members that chose to vote, voted for Obama.

I do my own thinking. I'm kooky like that. :hi:
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:09 AM
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24. Beware this phrase "telling me how to vote" -- it is anti-advocacy & hence antidemocratic
Advocacy and criticism are the LIFEBLOOD of any REAL democracy. People who want to avoid these necessary struggles really want to avoid the reality of democracy.

As for MoveOn, the PhD probably means to say "I am tired of MoveOn filling my email box with spam". But that doesn't have quite the same cachet.

(I gather it wouldn't really matter so much what the content of the spam was, only that PhD isn't interested in it).
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akwapez Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:20 AM
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25. In case you missed it
MoveOn solicited votes from members on who the organization should endorse. They stated that they would not make an endorsement unless the "winner" received at lease 2/3 of the votes. Obama received over 70%. I have no problem at all with this. I would support their methods even if they had chose Clinton, but that is clearly not the candidate that most MoveOn members want to see win this thing.
Its a democracy, if you don't like that is your issue. Just like everyone else, if the tables get turned and Hillary is the nominee than I'm sure MoveOn will do all they can to get her into office.
I don't feel that you are a "jerk" because you campaign for your candidate. What's with the hate and name-calling?

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:25 AM
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26. They don't TELL you to vote - you vote on your own, don't you? They only say who the site
is supporting because an OVERWHELMING percentage of their members support that person.

No different than the Dem party telling you to vote for the Dem nominee. Obama already BECAME the nominee on their site by the same common rule of majority support.

Why is that wrong to you? Do you think all union members vote for who they are told to support by their union leaders?

Get a grip.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:25 AM
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27. I haven't listened to MoveOn before and will continue to vote my way
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:27 AM
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28. move.on doesnt tell anyone....the majority of members endorsed
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:38 AM
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30. Not just Move On..
Oprah, Randi, etc. This is the PRIMARY season. That's the problem I have with people or organizations who are supposed to support Democrats to pit one Democrat against the other during the PRIMARY season.

I would have liked to see Oprah encourage people, especially women to go out and vote. I remember she has a show once about women not voting and one reason was that a lot of women didn't because they didn't want to be called to jury duty!!!! The program was good because it pointed out the importance of women voting and the importance of all the issues that affect us and how not voting can be so detrimental. That was a good program and she didn't take sides. As a public figure I think it was best when she didn't take sides because her fan base is not just Obama supporters. For her to come all out for Obama she I feel like she is telling me that as a Hillary supporter I am some kind of loser and hey, why don't I smarten up and vote like all the smart people for Obama? If he is Oprah's choice and she supports him he should be my choice too, right?

The thing about people like this coming out and supporting one candidate over another during the primary season is they are causing division within the party. That doesn't help with party unity at all.

Save your endorsements for when the candidates of each party have been chosen. This way you don't make a lot of people feel left out.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:26 AM
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32. unsuscribed from move-on since day 1 of their obama endorsement.
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