Can someone tell me why Hillary didn't show up to vote against the FISA Bill?

[IndieLeft]

I mean seriously, I don't see anyone talking about this, so I am just curious.

If she is ready to fight the republicans, then where the heck was she on this one?

She was in Washington today. Why didn't she show up?

Obama showed up... and voted against it.

And please don't tell me it doesn't matter, because when you rail against someone for their "present" votes, you damned well better show up to cast yours.

At least with his present votes... in the STATE SENATE, Obama bothered to show up.

So come on... please... give me your rationalization for this. I am anxiously awaiting!

[antigop]

1. Lemme guess....it wasn't important to her? n/t

[IndieLeft]

what does that mean... n/t

I see it all the time, and haven't figured that one out yet.

[antigop]

16. It wasn't important enough to her to show up and vote. n/t

[IndieLeft]

18. Uh.... what does "n/t" mean. I see it all the time.

what does the abbreviation mean? "n/t"

I know... I'm probably gonna go ....oh yeah.....

[antigop]

19. There's no text in the message-- the whole post is in the subject line n/t

[IndieLeft]

20. oh, thanks.

like i said... duhhhhh

[antigop]

23. You are welcome. Not a dumb question at all.

It's used to tell the reader that there is no need to click on the post.

[Kittycat]

2. I'm hoping that Olberman has something to say about this tomorrow.

[tridim]

3. I think she might have paid for it tonight.

It was a bonehead move. I don't get it either.

[thunder rising]

4. It doesn't count ... didn't you get the memo!

[usregimechange]

5. It wasn't important enough?

[bigtree]

6. he didn't show up for the Lieberman vote he rails against Clinton for

he came to the floor during the vote over the republican resolution condemning the free speech of Move On, but failed to vote against the bill, failed to vote on it at all.

This criticism should cut both ways, if at all.

[IndieLeft]

11. There you go again... can't adress the issue at hand.

Gotta change the subject.

There is a difference here, so don't play dumb. Also, he gave a very good reason for that; it was a waste of time. And it was.

The FISA bill on the other hand... NOT a waste of time.

Nice try to divert attention though.

[bigtree]

15. good for one, not for the other. can't take your *concern* seriously

[IndieLeft]

17. Please... the bill you are trying to compare too.... it really is pathetic.

[bigtree]

34. the Lieberman resolution which vote Obama uses to question Hillary's fitness for office?

The one that he didn't bother to show up to vote for?

That silly thing . . . ?

[IndieLeft]

38. Hey... This is MY post and MY question. Answer it if you can.

Otherwise, instead of using your Rovian tactics... Either answer MY question or go start your own thread.

You know, because the Genral Betray Us vote was so important, right? Not at all a complete waste of taxpayer dollars.

[TexasObserver]

7. Why Hillary didn't show up to vote against the FISA Bill? The check cleared.

prolly

[Jim Sagle]

8. Damn good question.

I've been favoring her over Obama ever since Edwards exited, but she makes it DAMN hard. ;(

[Purveyor]

9. What poor politics and yet some people she can 'lead' this country?

Hell, she can't even make common sense decisions on something as simple as this...

No thanks, if this is "experience" I'll pass and go with the rooky.

[ddeclue]

10. It's more important to her to be President than to do the right thing. n/t

[Indenturedebtor]

12. Um

Because she's gotten more money from Telecoms in this election and got something around 100k in 06? Hrmmm maybe :shrug:

[gmudem]

13. She has no spine or core principles.

This is the exact reason why I don't trust her to be president. And as a former Edwards supporter there is no way I can support somebody who caves to corprat interests like this.

[usregimechange]

14. She could have at least been "present"

[Forkboy]

21. Fresh episodes of Deal Or No Deal?

[Ino]

22. She'd rather talk about leadership than demonstrate it (n/t)

[The_Casual_Observer]

24. Hillary's vote would have made no difference. It was a bi-partisan

unity vote for the republicans.

[IndieLeft]

29. That doesn't excuse her for not showing up. Especially after

she railed against Obama for his "present" votes.

At least he showed up for those present votes. Where was Hillary.

You have a valid excuse for her? Or more diversions.

[The_Casual_Observer]

37. It doesn't make any difference. She could have voted 10 times

and it would have change nothing. Maybe Obama will be able to fix it.

[IndieLeft]

43. That's not the point and you know it.

The point is she DID NOT SHOW UP despite being just a few miles away.

We'll have to see if he can... since he's going to be the president.

[The_Casual_Observer]

44. Fuck it, okay?

Obama will make everything alright. The blind will see, the crippled will walk, & you will continue to receive free magic health insurance from your wife or your parents.

[IndieLeft]

47. That's fine.

I'm just glad to hear you say it.

[cascadiance]

25. Uh oh... This time Bill didn't have an operation to give her cover as an excuse not to show up!

They keep trying to let her off the hook for not voting on the bankruptcy bill earlier.

[cbayer]

26. Ok, it was a bad political move, but

Do you really want her to make a hollow political gesture just to get good press?
She was campaigning.
This particular amendment was a totally lost cause.
She has been very clear about her position on the telecom immunity issue (consistent with Obama).

I think she made a political mis-step, but her reasons, I think, are legitimate.

Oh, and i have read elsewhere that she was in Texas, not Washington.

[IndieLeft]

32. No, she was in DC. That has been confirmed.

Hollow gesture or not, it was important. How is she supposed to fight the republicans if she can't show up for a vote this important. You do realize what happend today, right? IMMUNITY! Why do they need immunity if they did nothing illega?

[cbayer]

46. It was a lost cause in the Senate.

The House bill is much better and when the bill comes out of committee, the vote will be very important. Today's vote meant something in terms of making a statement but it would not have changed anything.

[IndieLeft]

49. It was a statement she needed to make.

Instead she made a statement that made her a hypocrite.

[gmudem]

36. I didn't know standing up for the Constitution was a "hollow gesture"

Another reason to oppose Clinton.

[IndieLeft]

39. Came as a surprise to me too.

You learn something new every day.

[CoffeeCat]

27. Our Dem nominee...

had damn well better be someone who will stand up for our privacy, The Constitution
and the Bill of Rights--ON DAY ONE!

I don't understand why people just can't look at Hillary's voting record and see
that she votes like a neocon and is AWOL when it comes to these incredulous Bush
power plays and "Unitary Executive" abuses.

She doesn't hide who she is and all you need to do is look at her voting record.

[usregimechange]

28. kick

[TheDeathadder]

30. there's been plenty of serious senate votes

that Obama didn't show for, so let's not go down this road again. Obama missed an important Iran vote recently because of campaign business, so Clinton did the same today.

try and enjoy Obama win tonight and not come off like a sore winner. This race still has legs in it and if you're are angry on a night you won...well I'd hate to see what happens if you lose this thing.

[IndieLeft]

33. Not like this one. And don't change the subject. Answer the question

at hand. If you want to address that, then start your own thread.

[TheDeathadder]

40. it was a pretty big deal for Obama

to skip the vote on Iran. and I answered your question, she had to deal with her campaign, same reasons why obama missed the Iran vote.

[IndieLeft]

45. I can't defend him on that. He made a mistake.

However, that has been repealed already. So... no harm done.

This is different. She called him out for his no vote and present votes and then turns around and does the same thing.

Reminds me of how bush was going to restore honor and integrity to the white house.

People who live in glass houses...

[usregimechange]

61. because his vote to amend FISA did not pass...

[JanusAscending]

48. No, he missed the vote because

He had the freakin' FLU !! Let's keep it honest.

[IndieLeft]

50. Did he? I didn't know.

I just knew it was overturned.

[TheDeathadder]

59. what are you even talking about

[stillrockin]

31. Because she's got her corporate buddies' backs, same as always.

[usregimechange]

35. Was Lieberman there?

[Ichingcarpenter]

41. Yes, and he voted to do the right thing...

I couldn't believe it, but he did.


Hillary campaign said she thought it was a caucus state where the vote didn't count.

[IndieLeft]

42. Seriously? Lieberman voted against the FISA bill?

wow. That is amazing...

See, even Lieberman got this one right.

Thanks Hillary. Way to stick up for all us litte people.

[usregimechange]

52. Lieberman out did Hillary?

[cjmastaw]

53. scary, isn't it?

[Ichingcarpenter]

54. I had to look at the vote three times

He even has a sizable contribution from the telecoms but not
even 1/8 that Hillary has gotten in her 2006 race and even now.

[IndieLeft]

55. That is really funny...

But also worries me. What did America almost do? Notice, you have never heard her talk about restoring the constitution. At least I haven't.

That is one thing about Obama, he has made it clear he wants to restore our rights.

[Ichingcarpenter]

56. She has nothing on "the open internet" and other tech things

that count. Obama does.
It was a big deal to me on who I would support after Edwards and Dennis.
We wouldn't have DU without an open internet.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

51. she has a job to do as a senator?

[workinclasszero]

57. Money money money money...

MONEY! :shrug:

Thats my guess.

[AllyCat]

58. Apparently, if your vote "won't make any difference", you don't have to speak for your people

That's what her supporters say. It wouldn't have mattered so she might as well not show up. I'm not sure the people of NY (and the entire US since she wants to lead the entire country) thought this wasn't important. Would have been nice of her to represent them and us. But that's just too much to ask.

I'm sure the Telecoms will pay her richly for not voting.

[usregimechange]

60. So IndieLeft did you ever get an answer?