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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:36 PM
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Race, rethugs killed Hillary in Virginia. She lost blacks 88-12 and lost the GOP vote 71-25
When are is the Hill campaign going to do something to stop the hemorrhaging? 12%! If she keeps this up she, on average, starts every Democratic primary down 17-3. She is DONE if she can't improve to a respectable number with blacks because she can't offset it by getting 70-85% of the white vote.

White Democrats (40%): Hillary 58, Obama 41
White "Independents" (16%): Obama 64, 35
Black Democrats (24%): Obama 88, Hillary 12
Black "independents" (5%): Obama 86, Hillary 14
Rethugs (7%): Obama 71, Hillary 25
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:41 PM
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1. Obama letting his surrogates play the race card...
worked magnificently.
:puke:
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:42 PM
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2. Oh, FFS.
:eyes:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:45 PM
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3. His surrogates AND his friends in the corporate owned msm
What a hypocrite. A "uniter"? "Hope"? More like the politics of dirt!
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A_Titanic_Mess Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:49 PM
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4. blacks are supporting their own...
and why wouldn't they, this is the first real opportunity the black community has ever had at the presidency. The sad part is he may not be the most capable candidate, but for many blacks, that is secondary to his skin color.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:56 PM
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5. I agree with your point but don't get your arithmetic.
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 09:00 PM by spooky3
if whites (excluding Repubs., who are likely to be white also, but this is a conservative estimate) are 56% of the Dem. electorate and blacks are 29% of it, then I don't think she needs that high of a percent:

88% of the black vote X 29% = 25 out of 100 votes go for Obama

To match or exceed this this, 25 < 46% of 56%.

46% is a lot less than 70%.

Also, don't forget that Latinos of any race are a greater % of the Dem. electorate nationally than are non-Latino blacks.

The reports on NPR's affiliate, as I was driving home in VA, indicated that the reporters believed that a lot of Republicans were crossing over to vote in the Dem. primary because they reasoned that the Rep. race is over. They based this on the exit polls showing that a HUGE % (over 60%) of people who voted in the Repub. primary (both of which are open) said they were "conservative", a much higher proportion than believed to exist in the Republican population. That is, the Repub. turnout was much lower than the Dems. (even though VA has voted Repub. in the recent past Pres. elections), and that combined with an unrepresentative mix in the Repub. vote suggested to the radio people that a lot of moderate Republicans decided to vote in the Dem. primary. Whether that's right, and how you interpret it (whether they are truly Obama supporters, whether they just want to interfere with the Dems.' primary process, etc.), is up to you, but it does complicate the interpretation of the VA results.

One other complication: due to icy roads and resulting bumper to bumper traffic that usually does not occur on my route, it took me 1.5 hours to drive 5 miles home tonight, which usually takes 20 mins. Anyone who left work at 5:30 to vote (and most people have a longer commute than I do) would have lost the opportunity to vote. It was not all over the news that the roads were THIS bad. VA did not extend the open hours, though MD did, for 90 mins. How would these people have voted if they hadn't missed a chance to vote, and how many are there? Don't know. My hunch is that these non-voters might have been Obama rather than Clinton voters.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 09:03 PM
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6. I was exagerrating
She doesn't need that high a percentage. It was a veiled slap at Obama swiftboating the Clintons as racist to get to 88%. Maybe Hillary should swiftboat Obama as racist to get to 88% white support? Just kidding.

It varies based on state. On average blacks are 20% of the Democratic vote and she will need to run very well among whites to win. She he little margin of error among whites and Latinos. She needs to improve to at least 30-35% among blacks to give her some breathing room with whites and Latinos.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 09:11 PM
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7. Ah...thanks. DUH! I didn't get it.
I wonder what John Edwards is thinking right now.
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