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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:04 PM Original message |
MSNBC reports that 30% of those voting in the VA Dem primary were either Independent or Republican! |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. some of them had been told by Republican leaders to vote Hillary |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I think that might not be accurate. NT |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Well, I can only tell you what they're reporting |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Sorry -- replied to the wrong post. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Who's "they" and do you have a link? nt |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. NBC reports 8% of Obama voters were Republicans |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I supect those voters will go back to the GOP for the general. Their work is done... NT |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Yep. And so will a lot of the "independents". |
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lachattefolle (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. I have to agree with you, sad to say, but what do people expect when |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. I agree. Unlike NH when they abandoned Obama for McCain... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Uh, right. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
96. NH was proof they would abandon Obama for McCain. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
99. They wanted to knock Romney on his ass in NH--or at least knock him back. NT |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Huh? |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. I'm not surprised at all. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. There have been reports of Republicans asking for Democratic ballots and saying they'd been sent. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Got any cites for those assertions? nt |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
70. You seem well informed about what the other side is doing. Why is that? |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
72. Can you back that up? |
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Olney Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. It certainly supports Obama's "electability" argument against McCain. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. NBC reports that 8% of Obama voters were Republicans |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. fear kills |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. I agree. n/t |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Like my parents. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. I dunno. If 30% were cross overs and only 8% ended up for Obama, then... |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Duh... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. The logic of Obama supporters is stuning, now isn't it? Like talking to a brick wall. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. That thirty percent is GOP AND independents. That eight percent is just GOP. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
94. Obama received 66% of the Independent vote. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. That's a bit .... interesting. I suspect they won't stay with the Dem in the general. NT |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. Cool - and the Super Delegates better not vote because |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. Virginia has been hit hard by Republican policy. I think GOPers get it down there now. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. And that's a good thing - how? |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Yep. |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. No, they don't. They actually think that |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. I would like some of what they are smokin. There is something very very |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. When I voted at lunch, I as 272 for the Dems versus 28 for the Repubs |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
62. I was just talking to the Ex in Virginia |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. no way! |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. I just took a peek at the site with all the morans ... |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
100. where do you see this? |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
78. Er, No. Hillary would be far easier to beat than Barack. |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. Obama won double digits among white men, 48% of white vote overall |
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yeswecan08 (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. 100-30 = 70% were Democrats |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
16. Just trying to defeat Clinton |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. i dont' know if i should be happy |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. as below, so here... |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I HAVE ONE QUESTION |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. This is why they cannot call VA in the repug race, not enough of them McCain voters |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. That's why I hate open primaries. |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
18. He won Independents 62%; Under 40 = 66% |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. Actually that may not have been a good thing |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I guarantee you :) |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
75. There was an 8% gap in 2000 and 04, but only a 2% gap in '96 |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
21. There's a lot of disinfranchised republicans |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
71. Never, these people are not disenfranchised, they know how to play politics |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. 2006 :) |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
76. uhumm... i have never met a disinfranchansied repuke |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
26. The biggest news is his receiving 55% of the white male vote from VIRGINIA of all places. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Almost unfathomable, right? |
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aquarius dawning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
30. Wow, rich southern Republican white guys are voting for a black ultra-liberal Democrat |
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LucyParsons (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
68. I'm for Obama, but I wouldn't call him "ultra-liberal" |
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aquarius dawning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
102. here, see for yourself: |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
74. Err.. "ultra-liberal"? |
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aquarius dawning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
103. here, see for yourself: |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
31. I luv it when they fuck with our primary. :crazy: nt |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. They crossed over for Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, and Jim Webb, too ... |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I just don't trust Republicans |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
91. I know plenty of Republicans I trust |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. I have friends too, that are rpeublicans |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
36. I have many clients in VA, white males and they all told me they were going |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Why didn't you tell them off? |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. it's the strategy and it's the truth. anyone who wants to be open about it, will see it. nt |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. You can't tell them, MassDemm -- they won't listen |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. No, that's what THEY think |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
79. And your evidence for this is? |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Sorry... this conversation lost me when I was called a racist. |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. I love Obama, i have supported him and voted for him in my |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. I never thought we could lose the GE, if he gets it I know we are toast. nt |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. Yep, say hello to President McCain. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. They want McCain to face the weaker, unvetted candidate. |
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bluedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
84. they just don't want to see |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Shhhhh! You are not suppose to tell Obama supporters that. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
82. Good! Let them do it! Because Obama will clean up in the |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Don't spoil their strange little pity party, Jean... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
90. delete - wrong place. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
57. Shows he's electable in the GE |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Self delete. |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
63. That isn't good news - that's what is going to FUCK US in the GE. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. I'll mark em, I've marked my own similar feelings and words, to no avail. WE ARE FUCKED! nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Even if you were right, what would you want to do about it now? |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. there is nothing that can be done at this point. except wait another 4 years. nt |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. Yes, and freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength... |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. no, the people we have been fighting the last 7 years, that's who. nt |
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aquarius dawning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
104. My own family has done the very same thing to Republicans in the Ohio primaries. |
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LucyParsons (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
67. That's partly so they can vote for the perceived "weaker" Dem candidate |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
85. Yes!!!!!!!! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
88. This isn't the GE. I wouldn't be too sanguine over this development. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Arizona doesn't allow cross voting either. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
92. More great news for McCain. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
93. If Republicans could motivate enough voters to mess with our primary, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
97. "Awesome"??? Republicans deciding OUR nominee? |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Yep, all fired up for the Repubicans to hold our hands in November singing Kumbaya. |
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