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samrock (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:01 AM Original message |
I have 2 worries about Obama.. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. More likely the first |
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Joyce78 (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. Vote for Hillary and Obama as VP ... the Clintons will groom him |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
17. I agree. Clinton/Obama 08'! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
41. yes, he needs some prep time. but too arrogant to know it. |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
89. too arrogant to know it... that is for sure!!!! |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
62. Groom - a word that raises my hackles |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:03 AM Response to Reply #62 |
79. How about THIS definition #3 (courtesy of Webster) |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. I was pointing out connotations* and the implied insult |
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bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
82. Hes not going to settle for VP he would probably run for Governor of Illinois instead. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. It will be #1. I guarantee it. And it can't be #2, because I don't think Obama is a nice man. |
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Lefty-Taylor (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Not a "nice man"? First, what do you base this on? And second, I thought that |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I think that Obama is a dirty politician. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Personally, I can't stomach his lies |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I agree. I see a 48-50 state loss for us if he is the nominee. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I don't know if it will be that bad, but it will be bad |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I am trying to figure out what states Obama will carry... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #33 |
54. You two: get a room if you're going to be doing that. NT |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. What states that Kerry lost can Obama flip? (and do you think he'll keep all that Kerry got?) |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. OH, FL, GA, NC, SC, CO, IA, NV, MO, VA, NM & LA. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #61 |
83. I am glad you are optomistic. I don't think so. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Against McCain? Give me a damn break |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. You know all the "horrible" things that have been hinted at during the primary |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. You give him to much credit |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. He is a war hero, is very likeable and will get the seal of approval |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Big deal.....Bob Dole was a war hero |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #32 |
59. They've been "hinted at" because they DON'T F-ING EXIST. |
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Lefty-Taylor (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Lies??? Look at the Clintons and their on-the-record lies -- from Bill's perjury to Hillary's |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. No one is saying that the Clintons are perfect. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
60. Assuming facts not in evidence: that the media is pushing Obama, and that there's a conspiracy... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Love them rethug talking points |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
26. oh and he's not black enough right ? n/t |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
53. WTH is that supposed to mean? |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'd say more the fate of Dukakis...nt |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
50. And on what do you base |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
5. If he can beat the Clinton slime machine |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. You really have no idea what Obama will get hit with do you? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. I know it's a different time |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. The Clintons have done more shit in this campaign than you've ever seen Republicans do? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. No I'm not |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
47. You really can't believe that |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
51. You're kidding, right? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Show you? Uh, she's losing n/t |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #52 |
63. You aren't reading your own stuff |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. See post #49 n/t |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 03:51 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Again -- show us |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 03:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Your rug must have a huge bulge |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Not everybody agrees with you. |
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DiamondJay (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. people thought it would be hard to smear Kerry |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. This will be a different campaign than the one in 04 was. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
6. I have these same concerns, |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. echoes of George W. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
57. I was trying to be charitable. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
88. Not an apt comparison |
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DB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
7. Sounds like a personal self esteem problem, none of them had this ..... |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
8. I believe Obama will be a great President |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
10. Don't worry. You're not even close to right. Worry about Hillary being the female Mondale. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
48. I think your analogy is far closer to the truth. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
11. He is unelectable in the GE |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I don't know if he can win a single state. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. I guess you have to lose the primary to be considered electable? n/t |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. You really don't get it? |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 03:05 AM Response to Reply #42 |
67. You're forgetting that the evangelicals, which make up a huuuge voting block in the South, |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:09 AM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Not to mention the fact that there are HUGH untapped pools of black voters |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
64. why is he so unelectable? go ahead i dare you |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
65. delete |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 03:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
66. You forget that many of the Southern states have large ratios of black |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
76. Hillary is Kerry in a skirt. nt |
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ginnyinWI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
13. on the other hand |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
15. I worry about that too. But remember something. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. What's even more frightening than McCain being president |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. You said it. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
19. I watched the 72 race. |
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Lefty-Taylor (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Great response, BIg Blue. My thoughts exactly -- esp. the fact that Nixon was a sitting president |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
35. I don't agree that Obama is more progressive. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Anybody who reads their policy proposals side by side would see that |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. That's what so much of his support is, too |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
34. Great post. I have the same concerns. nt |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:00 AM Response to Reply #34 |
78. Who is more progressive, Clinton or Obama? Needs thread of its own. /nt |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
58. If he was a crash of emotion, he would've died down in the couple months we have had |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
70. My fears: he'll be to the right of Bill Clinton, listen to moderate Republicans more than his party, |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #70 |
81. I was born during the Carter administration, so the only democratic president I've seen is Clinton |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Well that's even scarier isn't it? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Damn. |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
72. Wow, a concern troll with 33 posts |
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Guava Jelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
73. I have two worries about Clinton |
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patrick t. cakes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
74. Mc Cain is a political turd. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
75. justified concerns. nt |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
77. Barack " I am from Illinois so I know rough and tumble" He has to be nice now but not in the GE. |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
84. Or maybe he'll forge a new model as prez-- w/comparisons to Prez Obama in subsequent decades ... |
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BooScout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
87. I've been thinking of the lessons of McGovern a lot... |
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yeswecan08 (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
91. America needs Obama urgently - like now - no time to waste |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. why? |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
92. You and I think alike. |
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