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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:07 PM Original message |
Poll question: Would you support caucuses for the General Election? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Would Hillary supporters support caucuses for the primaries if she'd won more of them? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I can't speak for all Clinton supporters |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
108. "Nice try" indeed. Because internal party process = GE process. Yeah ok.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I would not. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. how about run-off ballots? Kind of like a caucus but on paper |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Run off ballots are great. But they're night and day from caucusing. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. well, run-offs and caucus both whittle candidates down by preference. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Is the caucus system |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. nope. just saying. similarity and benefit of both systems= order of preference |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. But caucuses are limited by their being at a certain time of the day... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. you are right. |
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musicblind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. I would still not support them |
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chascarrillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think that's called the "Electoral College" |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. No, it really has nothing to do with the electoral college |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. The topic wasn't "would you support delegates in the GE?" |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Absolutely, positively NO! |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. Sorry, but I want to vote on the way home from work and |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. Oh, you got yourself BIG trouble with that question. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Heheh |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Caucuses are just about as antiquated and worthless as process as is the Electoral College. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Because we're a plutocracy. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I think it's more of a holdover |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. And how many party bosses weren't rich? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. oh, ok |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I'm pleased with the poll totals so far, at least! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
62. It's not really that controversial. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
13. Hello? "Brooks Brothers Riot" Ring Any Bells? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Every caucus in a GOP rich neighborhood would look like that. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. No, But... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I haven't heard anybody suggest |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. With all due respect, MonkeyFunk... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. True |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I have not seen *one* person talk about fixing it *before* the election season is over. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
20. The purpose of a caucus is very different from the GE |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. So we can't have a conversation to agree on who we support in the final round? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:33 PM Original message |
Everyone at the caucus is supporting a candidate from a single party...are you... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
29. Actually, I think such a conversation would be far more revealing if we had different candidates... |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. self delete |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. Caucuses are too much like Illinois politics, controlled by a few handlers. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I think being able to campaign at a poll defeats the purpose of democracy. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. It is a more transparent process than Diebold |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. So you would support it in the GE? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You have the numbers handled the same way you do a normal election precinct now |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. So would you or would you not support such a system |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I'm fine with either system. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. And you think it's fair |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Sure. It's an acceptable system. In fact it is much closer to the original democracy of Greece... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Polls should be neutral, anonymous, without coercion. Campaigning is allowed in caucuses. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. A few things: Polling staffs in the GE are not run by neutral people, they're run by opposing groups |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. So shift-workers couldn't vote |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. You would think that the campaigns would care enough about their constitutents to work for.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Deleted message |
JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. What are you so mad about. We were having a civil discussion. Is it because your candidate keeps.. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I'm mad |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I think they were stupid grounds because the greeks mistreated women and slaves.. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. You pointed to a thousands-year old system |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I want to hear your argument for how caucus type voting causes slavery and inequality for women. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I never claimed |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Well, you personally attacked me, so I got interested again. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. The answer is simple |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Yes, we need a simple universial ballot that all states adhere to, a universial voting machine... |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
30. Heck no. Caucuses suck. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. Most certainly not.nt |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
45. If we all had the day off... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. How does that work? |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Las Vegas style caucuses? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. We can make it better, can't we? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
47. caucuses are allowed because it's considered Party Business |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. That's not the question |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
95. Exactly. Caucuses are not a substitute for one vote per person. |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
50. Caucuses are not a good system. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
51. No. But the rules stated they'd be used in the primaries, and Obama did well in them. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I like rules too. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. That's not the question |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. I already answered the question. No. What more do you want? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Where did you answer the question? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. It's the very first word in the headline of post #51. "No." Can't you see it? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I apologize |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. No problem. |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
55. That *sounds* like a good idea... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. They're not practical. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. But beyond the practicality of multiple elections |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. In general, yes. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. How? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Allow absentee voting. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
64. No way, I believe the caucuses are inherently limited in their reach |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
69. I have always despised caucuses, |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
71. Polls should be open all day to vote for president during both the primary season and the general... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
73. We have 11 people who think caucuses are acceptible for a General Election? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #73 |
92. It's at least 12 now |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
76. Not just no but HELL NO. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
78. I choose the HELL NO option. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
83. Generally speaking, no. But I think Dems would fare better in them. |
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D-Sooner (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
86. Hell no! |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
91. No.... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
93. Do you think caucuses favor Obama unfairly? If so, why do think it is the case? nt |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Actually, yes. Caucuses discourage working class people, because they can not miss work to vote for |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Why would you ask that? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. My best guess is that you and other Hillary supporters feel that way. Am I wrong? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. The question |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Caucuses are not held in every state, so it is moot. But underlying your question, |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. OK |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. Well played. The attempts to take you off topic have failed miserably. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
94. Caucuses favor people who do not have to work for a living. |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #94 |
104. And it favors people w/o childcare responsibilities. |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Several people brought their kids to the caucus I attended. |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Of course you saw children. My point is that single parents were preferentially |
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murbley40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
102. No, |
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murbley40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
103. No, |
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insanity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
105. No, but that is irrelevant to the primary |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
106. No. Even though I had a BLAST at my first ever caucus, it wasn't fair to those who had to work. |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
107. I'd like one person, one vote |
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