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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:33 PM
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What's the Deal With Paul Krugman?

What's the Deal With Paul Krugman?

Wouldn't you love to know the back story on Paul Krugman's column today? Because without knowing that his real beef is that his wife can't stop singing "Yes, we can," or maybe that his idiot nephew won't shut up about how all the cool people are on the O Train, it's all very mysterious: What is he referring to when he says "most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody''? That Obama's supporters are not chill like Hillary Clinton's?

That is a fresh take, definitely, but where did he get the impression that "many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of 'Clinton rules'—the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent.'' Then he draws a straight line from there to ... Whitewater? Suggesting what? That if not Obama then those who mindlessly follow him approved of the vast right-wing thing? I'd hate to put this non-sequitur on a par with Krugman's buddy Bush mentioning 9/11 in the same breath with Saddam—but we're all in some danger, aren't we, of mirroring what we loathe?

His least original point, about how "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality,'' is one I hear all the time from Hillary supporters who claim it is a sign of immaturity to support Obama and that to believe there is any other way of doing business is really to believe in a fairy tale. But thinking that any one group or campaign or party has cornered the market on "most of the venom'' is what seems like kid stuff to me.


That Wacky, Wacky Krugman

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:36 PM
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1. BULLSHIT!
Krugman is pointing out the facts about Obama.
He is NOT God as too many of you think he is.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:39 PM
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4. They never argue with Krugman's policy analysis
They just smear a great progressive and one of the few progressive voices in the msm. They are running a win at any costs campaign. Shameful!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:47 PM
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6. Yes they do, and they still say he's wrong
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:38 PM
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2. What's the deal? He is a progressive
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:38 PM
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3. Has the daily thread limit gone into effect yet? n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:08 PM
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7. Shouldn't you e-mail the admins with that question? n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:49 PM
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9. God I can't wait.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:56 PM
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10. What do you think is going to happen: the facts are going to disappear? n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:01 PM
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11. No, but some of the more relentless spammers might.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:03 PM
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12. I think when it comes to facts, you are in for a rude awakening. n/t
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:39 PM
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5. I read that earlier and called BS
Krugman has fallen in my eyes. To begin with, "cult" is just a word. How about "followers" "adherents" "believers" "backers" on and on. Hillary has her backers too. Are they fanatics? Some are, just like any candidate. Many great leaders in history have had a following. That doesn't make the followers crazed.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:30 PM
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8. Obamaland?

Obamaland?

11 Feb 2008 02:06 pm

With friends like Paul Krugman, Hillary Clinton doesn't need enemies:

In 1956 Adlai Stevenson, running against Dwight Eisenhower, tried to make the political style of his opponent’s vice president, a man by the name of Richard Nixon, an issue. The nation, he warned, was in danger of becoming “a land of slander and scare; the land of sly innuendo, the poison pen, the anonymous phone call and hustling, pushing, shoving; the land of smash and grab and anything to win. This is Nixonland.”

The quote comes from “Nixonland,” a soon-to-be-published political history of the years from 1964 to 1972 written by Rick Perlstein, the author of “Before the Storm.” As Mr. Perlstein shows, Stevenson warned in vain: during those years America did indeed become the land of slander and scare, of the politics of hatred.

And it still is. In fact, these days even the Democratic Party seems to be turning into Nixonland.

By coincidence, I'm actually reading the galleys of Nixonland at the moment, and - well, let's just say that the comparison of the current Democratic race to the political landscape depicted in Perlstein's book strikes me as almost entirely laughable. But even more laughable is Krugman's culprit for the Nixonification of Democratic politics - one Barack Obama:

I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody ...

That last clause is an accurate description of one of my fellow bloggers and some of other pro-Obama independents, but almost nobody else on the Democratic side, so far as I can tell. As for Krugman's examples of the Nixonian "venom" supposed spewing forth from the Obamanians, well, he has exactly two:

During the current campaign, Mrs. Clinton’s entirely reasonable remark that it took L.B.J.’s political courage and skills to bring Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to fruition was cast as some kind of outrageous denigration of Dr. King.

And the latest prominent example came when David Shuster of MSNBC, after pointing out that Chelsea Clinton was working for her mother’s campaign — as adult children of presidential aspirants often do — asked, “doesn’t it seem like Chelsea’s sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?” Mr. Shuster has been suspended, but as the Clinton campaign rightly points out, his remark was part of a broader pattern at the network.

So David Shuster is somehow an agent of the Obama campaign? And the MLK vs. LBJ fracas is supposed to be more telling than, say, Bill Clinton's transparent attempt to paint Obama as a Jesse Jackson-style racialist niche candidate? One would think that Krugman, who's given to claiming that the entire conservative ascendancy can be explained by the GOP's exploitation of Southern racism, would aware of the irony of accusing Barack Obama's campaign of employing Nixonesque tactics in this election.

I say this, mind you, as someone who doesn't think that a Nixon-style politics of cynical management is always worse than an Obama-style politics of moral uplift. (More on this topic once I've finished Nixonland ...) But neither does Paul Krugman, so far as I call tell! Indeed, his preference for Hillary seems to reflect, at least in part, his view of politics as brutal trench warfare in which Democrats need to be a brass-knuckled as the GOP if they're going to have a fighting chance. In other words, he likes her precisely because she's Nixonesque. Which only makes his reading of the Democratic primary campaign all the more absurd.





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