WOW Randi Roades taking Clinton to task on wanting Shuster fired

[bigdarryl]

She is asking why doesn't she go after FOX News and call for the firing of Hannity

[Nitrogenica]

1. EXACTLY!!!!

Go Randi!!

[jkshaw]

4. And after seeing that Drudge piece on

the Clintons' and Bush's kids (back a bit), Drudge ought to be fined and thrown off the net.

[MADem]

2. WOW Good citizens check for duplicates--like the one that was posted two minutes ago!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4540481

[shaniqua6392]

3. Could you find a link where it says Clinton wants him fired.

I have heard this stated here on DU a few times and I can not find anything that shows she said this at all.

[jkshaw]

10. I think TPM posted the Clinton letter to MSNBC

And wrote a short commentary on it. I think she's disavowed it later, though.

[Windy]

14. here you go

New York time article on Huff Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/09/clinton-sends-blistering-_n_85856.html

Operative line in HRC's letter:

"nothing justifies the kind of debasing language that Davis Shuster used and no temporay suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient"

[SoFlaJet]

17. Obviously Windy to Hillary Clinton

apologies mean nothing or she would have apologized to US the American people who are democrats for her vote on the Iraq war

[shaniqua6392]

18. I think we would be misinterpreting her words by saying

she wants him fired. I just have to disagree. If she wanted him fired, she would have responded more directly than that. She further notes later in her letter that something must be done with the environment at MSNBC since this is not the first incident.

[otohara]

68. Same Could Be Said

about David Schuster. Was he really calling the Clinton's pimps and Chelsea a whore, or was he using a word that is commonly used in all sorts of connotations now.

[rodeodance]

52. Where does it say she wants him fired--this story died 2 days ago and YOU are reincarting it!

[cbayer]

40. she never said it. Shared delusion. nt.

[dsc]

5. Randi shouldn't lie

she knows she hasn't asked for Shuster to be fired. She has asked, as she should, for MSNBC to actually change their behavior since they didn't change after Matthew's forced apology.

[UALRBSofL]

11. Not much she can say to clear this up

When you go after a family member and make those statements "pimping out your kid" people wont forget it. She can slam the Clintons all day long but the average american only hears the word "pimp" and automatically blames the person that made the statement.

[otohara]

15. Is It A Lie?

when I read the Hillary letter, it clearly states the apology was not sufficient. You tell me what does that mean?

Nothing justifies the kind of debasing language that David Shuster used and no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient.

[dsc]

19. that the behavior of the network has to actually change

which, given that only a few weeks before Matthews was forced to apologize for his sexist comments, it doesn't seem unreasonable for her to doubt the sincerity of this apology absent concrete difference in behavior.

[otohara]

33. Isn't That Called Censorship

wow, I thought when a democrat was back in The White House, the mentality of "networks better watch what they say" would lift.

If she so desperately wants MSNBC to change their behavior, then The Clinton's should extend their outrage to FOX News, instead of allowing Rupert Murdoch to host a fund raiser for her.

RUPERT MURDOCH LOVES HILLARY CLINTON

Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch will host a fundraiser for liberal New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, the Financial Times reports.

The mating ritual of the unlikely allies has been under way for months. Clinton set political tongues to wagging last month by attending a Washington party celebrating the 10th anniversary of Fox News, the cable news channel owned by Murdoch.

The Financial Times quoted one unnamed source as describing the Clinton-Murdoch connection in this way: "They have a respectful and cordial relationship. He has respect for the work she has done on behalf of New York. I wouldn't say it was illustrative of a close ongoing relationship. It is not like they are dining out together."

The fundraiser will take place in July, the newspaper said. Clinton is the frontrunner for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, though she has not indicated whether or not she will run. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml

[dsc]

35. Murdochs American flagship paper endorsed Obama

not Clinton. As to your other point. We have every right, and frankly every duty, to tell networks in no uncertain terms that sexist, pro Republican coverage is unacceptable and will lead to not having the candidate agree to be on the network. That isn't censorship, it is smart handling of the press.

[cbayer]

43. Do you mean all pro-Republican coverage?

Or only if it is sexist? Or sexist coverage only if it's pro-Republican? I really can't support telling them that pro-Republican coverage will not be tolerated.

[dsc]

45. They have a right to broadcast

they don't have a right to interview Clinton. And yes, sexist, racist, lying coverage oughtn't be tolerated.

[Tarheel_Dem]

48. It seems the Clintons and FNC have one thing in common....

they want MSNBC annihilated. FNC has been trying to take them down for years, and now the Clintons' and their supporters are seemingly onboard with that. I hope this backfires epically. I think the media will see this as an attempt to bully them into more favorable coverage of her fledgling campaign, and will rise to David's defense.

I hope she knows that this won't endear her to the grassroots. Randi is just saying what much of the media is thinking.

[Karmadillo]

39. Thank you for stating the facts.

nt

[SoFlaJet]

As she should

and she is right-where is the outrage by Clinton at all the stuff that WE defended Hillary with the stuff said about and against her by Fox and Rush and the rest of the RW Smear Machine that she has so much "experience" with? Congratulations Clinton campaign-you just lost one of the most powerful voices on the left...Randi Rhodes-thank you Randi

[Windy]

6. and about the Michigan primary. she is very cagey but its obvious that she thinks the fix is in

I do to. I'm in Michigan. Debbie Dingle, the head of the Michigan Democratic Party is a big clinton supporter. So is John Dingle and Jennifer Granholm.

Clinton was the only name left on the ticket. I think that the original intent was to block Edwards given the very very strong union contingent here.

Dirty politics was played with our vote in Michigan.

I think she's going to be in trouble with Mark Green tomorrow.

[nonconformist]

25. Kucinich was on the ticket, as was Gravel.

Obama and Edwards (who I supported) withdrew their names. Obama even had a "get the vote out, Uncommitted = Obama" push.

[maddiejoan]

7. Randi is wrong on the facts here

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/clinton-campa-1.html

[DURHAM D]

8. The problem with Randi - facts don't matter to her. eom

[calico1]

23. I stopped listening to her a long time ago

because of this.

[rodeodance]

54. she is making Democrats look stupid. I have stopped listening to her!

[IsItJustMe]

20. It wouldn't be the first time. She often goes off half cocked.

[AX10]

28. Randi has as much respect for facts as Rush Limbaugh does.

The same with Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz.
Left wing talk has become the exact counterpart to right wing talk.
It's all crap.

[bagimin]

57. How does h2oman have a chance against a mindset on

this board actually believes that Randi,Ed and Rachel=Rush.
:rofl: good god all mighty.

[otohara]

9. Re: Hannity

I imagine it's the same reason as to why no one really goes after FOX and all of their talking heads. It would do absolutely no good. They would laugh at the notion and continue as usual.

Same reason why the Clinton's don't go after Fox. Why bother, waste of time, nothing will happen - Bush is like Fox News, he's take cues from them on how to deal with critics. Ignore them and they will go away and eventually give up.

MSNBC let David Schuster go on indefinite leave because they wouldn't let Chris Matthews go under any circumstances. Schuster is the Clinton's problem, Matthews was. Schuster wrong place, for the wrong guy - he's no pundit and was bound to make a gaffe.

[bigdarryl]

12. I think Randi has some info more than we do on thisd issue

[otohara]

22. I Worked In Broadcasting

for a very long time. Fox, Clear Channel stand out in ignoring complaints if it concerns top rated personalities. Why is that you say? Cha ching...it's all about money, there is no way MSNBC is going to let Chris Matthews, who clearly is the person the Clinton camp would like to see disappear. Matthews ratings aren't that great, but boy is he connected in the world of politics.

[Kahuna]

38. I heard Mika say Friday morning that Matthews was David's boss..

Poor David. It's easy to see why he's being hung out to dry.

[nonconformist]

13. She NEVER said she wanted Shuster fired. nt

[Windy]

16. Bullshit - Read Please

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/clinton-blasts-nbc-over-chelsea-comment/

“Nothing justifies the kind of debasing language that David Shuster used and no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient,” she wrote.

[nonconformist]

Bullshit - YOU read it.

She said suspension wasn't sufficient because what they really need to address, and I quote:

the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

[otohara]

29. Then Why is David Schuster's Name In That Sentence???

Nothing justifies the kind of debasing language that David Shuster used and no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient.

She is directing this specifically at David Shuster. The next paragraph deals with the MSNBC as a whole. What would be sufficient for Capus to do that would please the Clinton's? Verbal spanking perhaps? Or how about a permanent muzzle on the words Clinton, Bill, Hillary, Chelsea.

[nonconformist]

47. Do you have a problem with comprehension?

She's saying that it's not enough to punish Shuster, that they need to look at the problems in the network that lead to this sort of thing.

It's pretty simple, really, and it's already been clarified by the Clinton campaign.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. if suspension is not sufficient, then what's left?

:shrug:

[nonconformist]

56. Good grief

This is what is left, and it's very clear:

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

[maddiejoan]

24. Bullshit yourself

You read.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/clinton-campa-1.html

[Tarc]

21. Rhodes, the one who lied about being mugged last year?

Can't say I'm much surprised to see she's spinning tales about Clinton now, who did not call for Schuster to be fired.

[Fran Kubelik]

26. She wasn't mugged?

I missed that. What happened there?? I remember hearing she had been attacked. How weird.

[Tarc]

30. That is what she and her co-host initially said

turns out she took a tumble after some late-night bar-hopping.

[itsrobert]

42. She did not say anything like that

A late night Air America host started that rumor. He apologized for it the next day. Randi had nothing to do with that rumor and made it clear on her return she didn't know exactly what happened.

[Tarc]

59. "I wrote a two sentence e-mail to the company that I was mugged"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmwLJ_4V5oo

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. can you provide proof that Randi ever said she was mugged?

I listen to her daily, and I don't recall her saying that. She said she was standing outside a bar, smoking a cigarette, and the next thing she knew she was on the ground, bleeding from the mouth. There was a lot of speculation in the media about what happened, but I never heard Randi say she was mugged.

:edited for spelling

[Tarc]

60. See post #59

[gort]

64. By the standards you claim Randi doesn't have

you are now the ignorant liar.

Randi never made an official statement that she had been mugged.

[BanzaiBonnie]

27. I thought he was suspended

Did he get fired? Firing seems harsh. But what I would like to see is a return to civility. Perhaps others want that too.

I agreed with the suspension. Don't necessarily agree with the firing. Then again, the company he works for can do whatever they want. It's their call. That's the cold answer.


What Shuster said was wrong. He's a boob for saying it. Did he consider the full implications of what he said? Probably not. But a journalist should know how powerful words are. They have meaning.

I think he was trying to be edgy. He was walking a fine line in an attempt to get attention for himself. And he found himself over the edge. Right over the f***ing brink. This is not about the Hillary campaign crying foul. IMO it's about the people who want civil discourse crying foul. I for one, am tired of hate media pushing ugly every step of the way.

[IndieLeft]

32. Indefinitely suspended...

you know anyone who has been indefinitely suspended who ever came back to work? I don't.

[rodeodance]

55. This was his 2nd offence. It was an msnbc decision. Not Hillary's like has

been pushed by so many.

[IndieLeft]

31. That's Right!

GoRandi!

[hill08]

34. I stopped listening to Randi when she started

fawning over Obama and bashing Hill

[paulk]

44. I stopped listening when she said it was a cruise missile

and not an airplane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11.

:crazy:

she's whack

[karynnj]

46. I stopped listening mere months into her being there

when I realized I turned off the radio as I saw my teenage kids approach as I picked them up from school, because I was embarrassed by her crudeness and rudeness - and for saying things like that.

[Kahuna]

36. I was happy to hear this. I feel just awful about what happened to Shuster..

He's being treated like Imus. Now I'm really going to enjoy watching Hillary go down.

[cooolandrew]

37. Love you Randi ((randi))

[Sparkly]

41. "wanting Shuster fired?"

Did she actually say she wanted Shuster fired? I think she only called for MSNBC to clean up its act and get serious about changing their behavior, basically. :shrug:

[rodeodance]

51. This was Schuster's second violation. It was msnbc policy. Clinton had NOTHING to do

with the suspension.

[DURHAM D]

58. What was the first? n/t

[rodeodance]

53. Your OP is Perpetuating a lie--You should be ashamed of yourself!

[Medusa]

61. Yeah, so you keep insisting

although the remarks released by the Clinton's (why did they need to make those public again exactly? Yep-free publicity) make it very clear for those of us with good reading comprehension skills what she meant when she said a "mere" suspension wasn't good enough.

[Tarc]

62. The Clinton campaign is not responsible for your "fairy tale" interpretations

[Medusa]

63. I live in the fact-based world, you're the one in a fairy tale

and it's a fact she wants him fired. Now she's going after the entire network in her latest remarks to The Politco. It's not my fault if you can't see the light about how your own candidate wants to censor the press. I suggest you take yourself over to Slate and read the article about the reporter whose apartment she had SEARCHED by the Secret Service after she objected to something he wrote about Chelsea. Educate yourself and stop spinning for her. Wake up.

http://www.slate.com/id/2184195

[Tarc]

65. "and it's a fact she wants him fired"

Lying doesn't get you very far in life, little boy.

[Maribelle]

66. How about if your 'fact-based' world showed even one fact where she mentioned 'fired'

One?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. Well Randi Is An Idiot Then, Who Is Helping To Propagate Rumor. Shame On Her.

The campaign already explained they DID NOT want him fired. God some people are such dumbasses.