Krugman has a good read for Obama supporters (and they won't like it)

[BOSSHOG]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

He brings up the "cult" word again in an interesting manner.

And attempts to shoot the messenger will prove futile. I didn't write the editorial in the NYT.

[book_worm]

1. Who cares? I know I don't belong to any cult. I like Obama and support him

just like you probably like Hillary and support her. I'll support either in November. A NYT editorial is just that a NYT editorial--it isn't the word of God or anything like that.

[MADem]

9. Obama STAFFERS have used the term "Cult of Obama." FWIW.

Cite, because I back up what I assert: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23182456-28737,00.html

I hear that too in the voices of Obama's staff constantly, themselves referring to this "cult of Obama".

[BOSSHOG]

10. I have always professed my whole hearted support for

the Dem Candidate when my guy Clark decided not to run. You are right Krugman's two cents worth is just another two cents worth.

And how does one know they are not a member of a cult?

Back to my original, the Krugman piece was a very insightful read.

[BOSSHOG]

11. Dupe - My apologies

[libertee]

2. I love Krugman..he is great read

[Occam Bandage]

3. It's sad to see Krug turn into a DUer. He's spiraled down from "My candidate's policy is better" to

"The other guy's supporters suck."

[Meshuga]

15. I know

I was surprised. We can see he has some emotion invested in his support for Clinton to devote a piece on this.

[papau]

21. If you see folks that reject logic - are you allowed to comment - or is that "spiraled down"

[Occam Bandage]

23. If you fall into the old trap of believing that your candidate's opponent

has stupider or more-illogical supporters, then yes, it is. It's the narcissistic belief that you are undeniably correct, and following from that, that those who believe otherwise are illogical or flawed. If those who believe otherwise are energetic in their belief, they are cultish or frightening.

It's the same rah-rah-team bull that leads to sports fans talking about how hot the female FOOTBALL TEAM fans are, and how ugly the OPPOSING FOOTBALL TEAM fans are.

[rinsd]

34. Perhaps because of the venom filled way Obama's supporters attacked him

Check out the comments sections of his blog.

For every policy based attack there are a dozen personal insults

[Occam Bandage]

35. Likely so. They didn't take kindly to his policy-based bashing of Obama,

they acted like idiots, and now he's getting dragged down to their level.

[Telly Savalas]

40. It's kind of hard to believe that he's that thin-skinned.

The verbal abuse he's likely received from Bush supporters over the last seven years has surely made him immune to such attacks.

[libertee]

4. I love Krugman..he is great read

[featherman]

5. I read the Krugman column and this response as well

"Well, it's a good thing he's not faking evenhandedness here! Krugman makes a lot of bold claims, and then fails to substantiate every single one of them."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/11/krugman-claims-obama-supp_n_85999.html

[MADem]

6. In fact, these days even the Democratic Party seems to be turning into Nixonland.

I agree with Krugman. He has NAILED it:
I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again.

What’s particularly saddening is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of “Clinton rules” — the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent.

[11 Bravo]

7. A great read. Thanks for the link, BOSS.

[Freida5]

8. Krugman has been fighting the fight for a long time. I respect his opinion

[Maribelle]

12. I didn't dare mention it this morning, as DU war running slow enough as it was

without all of the Obama folks having screaming hissy fits, not that I feel threatened by their hissy fits.

[southern_dem]

13. Is that why in Louisiana

a higher percentage of Obama voters said they would vote for Clinton, than the reverse? Krugman has gone off the deep end here. Since he can't get anything on Obama, he goes after the nutty supporters. Guess what? They don't speak for the vast majority of us, just like the nutty Clinton supporters don't speak for the vast majority of hers.

[MADem]

Could you provide us with a cite for that assertion? NT

[TomClash]

14. His support is now too vast and deep to be a "cult" nt

[ccpup]

16. Krugman nails it on the nose

The gloating, sophomoric, unnecessarily combative attitudes of many Obama Supporters here on DU is why I find myself not visiting as much, not willing to donate and no longer adding to the on-going conversation. It's just not worth it, in the end, to attempt to hold an adult discussion about the candidate's differences with a supporter who's primary focus is on slamming Hillary and repeating Hope and Change, Hope and Change.

And Krugman, much to the chagrin -- and, I imagine, derision -- of Obama Supporters everywhere, hits the nail on the head.

[jgraz]

17. Many, many people don't like Hillary. Why is that so hard to understand?

Obama supporters didn't act this way towards the Edwards people. Like roughly 70% of the country, they don't want Hillary as our next president.

[ProSense]

18. Krugman

has lost it!

Paul Krugman is fast becoming a hack

er deputy assistant sec. of the Treasury under Clinton already called out Krugman

If anyone doubts that Hillary is the establishment candidate, just read Krugman's article...

When Self-Interest Isn’t Everything

[11 Bravo]

24. Four links! Wow, I'm convinced! (Oh, wait. All four links are to your own tiresome screeds.)

Never mind.

[ProSense]

29. Where does it say this is to convince you? You're in denial, and Krugman has gone over the deep end.

n/t

[11 Bravo]

32. You don't get it, do you, sweetie?

You're a cartoon. A rational person would have noticed that their "Nothing esoteric" post disappeared ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4535705

you know, the post that contained 10 links to your own BS and sunk like a stone ... the post that currently contains two responses, both of them from you!

Hopefully, sometime soon, Skinner will institute the daily post limit, and you can get back to doing ... whatever it is you do.

[ProSense]

33. "You're a cartoon." And you're foolish! Thanks for linking to the thread though! n/t

[Seabiscuit]

38. If I had your patience and wit, I wouldn't have had to put

that "cartoon" on "ignore".

[jgraz]

19. Many, many people don't like Hillary. Why is that so hard to understand?

Obama supporters didn't act this way towards the Edwards people. Like roughly 70% of the country, they don't want Hillary as our next president.

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. Krugman pontificating on matters outside his expertise

Which is fair enough. We all have the right.

And really, BOSSHOG, is publication on the NY Times editorial page your sole criterion for quality. Because that's pretty strange if it's true!

:hi:

Krugman as a Biased Joke: "I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody."

The Non-biased Version: "I won’t try to fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody."

:rofl:

[BOSSHOG]

25. Did I mention quality

or criterion thereof? Its the man's opinion, I dare say we all have one. He is well read and well written. I was just sharing his piece, I get the NYT emailed every day and seldom look at anything but the sports page. And why is this outside his expertise? Or maybe I should ask what you think his expertise is? Finances and the economy? While that is partly true can he not share on other issues? The Times-Picayune of New Orleans, one of the two papers I get daily, recently picked up Krystol and Krauthammer. Should I stop consuming what that paper has to offer?

If I were to stick to passively glimpsing headlines and occasionally watching the evening News I would not know who to support, but checking in at DU GD-P almost daily I'm certainly leaning towards Clinton and it has nothing to do with her efforts.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. His expertise is in economic

I "dare say" he is wrong on that sometimes too. As far as this particular column goes, his opinion is as good as yours and mine, pontification outside his field of expertise. He's certainly entitled to his opinion, which I already said in my post, so I shouldn't have to repeat here.


Cheers.

[cbayer]

22. Although I don't agree with all he said

It was a thoughtful article and I appreciate the link. I particularly like this line:

"Racism, misogyny and character assassination are all ways of distracting voters from the issues, and people who care about the issues have a shared interest in making the politics of hatred unacceptable."

[donheld]

26. I suppose you think you're the first one to post this

Paul has been dogging Barack for months what else is new.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

27. I'm an Obama supporter and respect Krugman very much

Unlike many here (both pro Obama and pro Clinton) I don't dismiss qualified opinions just because they favor the other candidate. I read them carefully and use them to evaluate my positions. I don't really see anything of substance in this PK article though. This campaign is ugly from both sides, unfortunately. PK, like many supporters of either candidate, are just blind to one side of the ugliness. It's human nature I guess.

[donheld]

28. I suppose you think you're the first one to post this

Paul has been dogging Barack for months what else is new.

[BOSSHOG]

30. I have no idea

I did not see it posted in GD-P during my perusals today. But your post kinda lends credence to his editorial. As I posted earlier I have been rather shying away from the dem primarys but am leaning towards Clinton now and not because of what she has done or what her supporters have said. I find the Obama supporters a tad bit pain in the assy!!

[Seabiscuit]

36. I know you attracted a lot of

the "cultists" among the Obama supporters when I see all those "Ignoreds" in your thread.

[BOSSHOG]

41. Technical question off topic

How can you see an ignore in a thread? I'm not very computer wise. To the best of my knowledge I have no one on ignore.

[Seabiscuit]

43. Well, if you would like to see what it looks like,

pick out a post, any post from someone in this thread, me for instance. In the upper left corner of the post box is my handle, Seabiscuit. To the right of that are four symbols. The symbol to the farthest right looks like a little man, or head, with a red "x" attached. To place me on "ignore", click that red "x". A new page will pop up and you'll see another box to click near the bottom of the page to complete the process. Then click the "back" button twice to get back to my post, then hit the "refresh" button at the top of your browser (usually a semi-circular arrow). Once the page refreshes, you'll notice that in place of my post you'll see the word "ignored", and in place of my handle on the right you'll see the same thing. You won't be able to read my post. You can always undo what you just did by clicking on "My DU" at the top of the DU page, and navigating through until you find your page listing Seabiscuit as on you "ignore" list, and just navigate around until you click the right buttons to take me off the list.

[BOSSHOG]

44. Thanks for that info

I don't think I'll "put" anyone on ignore, I'll just do it the old fashioned way, and I certainly won't put you on ignore for any reason. Thanks again.

[Seabiscuit]

46. You're welcome.

Some use it, some don't.

Since GD: P went ballistic this winter I've found it useful - by having about 200 of the worst offenders on "ignore" I don't even have to wade through their tiresome threads when checking for something somewhat interesting, as I can't see their threads any more than their posts. Many of the people I have on ignore are freepers here just to stir up trouble and conflict among us and and many of them have already been "tombstoned" by the mods.

[Eric J in MN]

37. The op-ed would have been much better if Krugman hadn't written "cult"

...which isn't the central idea of the op-ed.

[unkachuck]

39. 'cult'....

....conjures up images of right-wingers, Jonestown and your typical everyday wacko....

....kruggy-boy, for all your semantics, you'll never get past the fact, that corporate-clinton sucks and you suck right along with her....

[zulchzulu]

42. You are witnessing the lowest turn in Krugman's otherwise stellar career

When he pulls out the "Cult Card" because he's been pimping out for Hillaryworld's enforced Healthcare Insurance Industry Bonanza, he loses credibility. Yes, he is a Hillaryworld pimp. He gives her enforced healthcare policy a nice red dress, some red lipstick, cheap heels and walks it down the street waving at the suckers.

I've written him several times to do a column on just how the very working people who are voting for Hillaryworld would feel when they get fined or have their wages garnished (if they have a job) because she thought it was a good idea to pay back the healthcare insurance industry lobbyists getting the G-men to force them to pay another $500 a month. Yeah, and it's the same shithole coverage with loopholes out the ass that wouldn't cover them anyway... Her delusion that the healthcare and pharma industries will do good faith efforts to lower costs is like asking a pimp to give away free Monica under-the-desk servicing.

C'mon, Krugs. Let's see the column, buddy.

[BOSSHOG]

45. Is there such a place

as Obama world and do people pimp for it? Do they have stellar careers and do they have low turns?

A month from today I vote in my state's (Mississippi's) primary and if I keep reading GD-P there is no doubt I'll vote for Hillary and she will have absolutely no influence on me whatsoever.

[otohara]

47. Genuine Excitement = Cult

didn't realize when I felt the same way about a young wipper-snapper from Hope Arkansas in 1992, I was a member of a different cult.

[AX10]

48. K & R!

Obama's followers are a cult. Therefore, they will listen to no one else.