You know...Obama has won just as many primaries as HRC

[book_worm]

I see lots of people say that Obama only wins caucuses but the truth is that he has won just as many primaries as HRC has and has clobbered her in caucuses. Both have delegates and both count.

Obama primary victories (10)
South Carolina
Alabama
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Illinois
Missouri
Utah
Louisiana
Virgin Islands

HRC primary victories (10)
New Hampshire
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Oklahoma
Tennessee

Obama caucus victories (10)
Iowa
Alaska
Colorado
Idaho
Kansas
Minnesota
North Dakota
Nebraska
Washington State
Maine

HRC caucus victories (2)
Nevada
American Samoa

***Note I didn't include MI and FL because they were non-competitive and eventually they will probably be redone as caucuses.

[RL3AO]

1. I was very surprised when I first saw this.

[ingac70]

4. Why? n/t

[SoxFan]

2. Yeah, but they don't count

It's just the black vote, remember?

[KittyWampus]

3. jinx, that's what I was going to say.

[NJSecularist]

5. What's the next Clinton meme going to be?

[kennetha]

6. No Way Fla and MI will be redone as Caucuses

That's just the press and the Obama campaign talking. No way that they are going to say to 1.5 million voters from Fla. You're votes don't count! Do it over in a caucus in which what, maybe a couple hundred thousand voters at most will participate.

Do you know that between Fla and Mi 2.2 million democrats voted. How many voted in all the caucuses combined?

[book_worm]

7. they were non-competitive so they don't count

that's the way it is.

[kennetha]

10. Silly statement

Do you think the Fla and Mi voters voted in a vacuum? It's not like they don't read newspapers and watch national news and watch the televised debates. Just because Obama and Clinton didn't hold rallies, doesn't mean it was "non-competitive." Plus Obama and Edwards urged voters to vote for uncommitted in the MI primary. As for Florida, you and the press just want to downplay Florida because Obama lost. If Clinton had lost, you'd be trumping it as a major problem that 1.5 million democratic voters in a swing state were being disenfranchised.

[book_worm]

11. Where was Obama on ballot in Michigan?

they will be redone or won't count at all. The DNC made that decision and the candidates agreed to the rules.

[kennetha]

15. They will count and they won't be redone

That's my prediction. No way either Florida or Michigan is going to caucus. No way the credentials committee is going to refuse to seat delegates from Michigan and Florida. That would be suicide.

[RL3AO]

16. What if it really close in the delegate count

and HRC wins the nomination because a state where Obama wasn't on the ballot was seated. How would that go over?

[kennetha]

18. Obama has only himself to blame

He didn't HAVE to take his name off the Mi ballot. He did it to make Iowa and New Hampshire feel good. Maybe that helped him win Iowa and almost pull off NH. But them's the break. So what?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

20. Only Hillary was on the ballot, the other candidates honored DNC rules n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. I argue the point regarding Florida

Every candidate was on the ballot, none of them campaigened there (although Obama's campaign ads could be seen in Florida). One and a half million people voted in Florida. The results were not even remotely close. Clinton won by 17% in at least a four person field. If it was close maybe I would take your side, but it wasn't close at all, it was a landslide for Clinton - and the demographics played out pretty much exactly like they did in California which was contested.

[Windy]

9. Im in Michigan. We were told that our votes wouldn't count as was Florida

As a result, some people sat home. For this reason alone, the votes cast cannot be counted.

[Fredda Weinberg]

8. Uh huh ... now we're advocates of the electoral college. Look, if

you want will of the people, let all the votes be counted.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. key word is "OPEN"....nice try tho

[book_worm]

13. key question is how many victories has each won?

Obama has won 20 primaries and caucuses and HRC has won 12.

[Indenturedebtor]

14. But but but

The states that HRC won are the states that count right? :sarcasm:

I heard that Obama was personally at those caucuses and primaries that he won beating women and poor people with a stick while he shouted lies. :P

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. Florida Was Completely Competitive And Should Absolutely Be Counted.

The voters there more than had exposure to the candidates and made educated decisions on who to vote for. I'm sure many of them were every single bit as passionate towards their candidate as you are. Calling anything non-competitive when 1.7 million voters show up, is quite a bit of a stretch.